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What's So Bad About a Banker Brain Drain?

by: Gerald Epstein, t r u t h o u t | Perspective

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Wall Street warns that limits on executive pay may cause a brain-drain from mega banks. (Photo: Reuters)

    The Financial Times reports that U.S. bankers are "enraged" about the pay limitations of the new U.S. recovery plan. Numerous bankers warn that these pay caps will lead to a "brain drain": high paid bankers will flee elsewhere in search of the top dollar.

    Should we be quaking in our boots about this threatened drain of bankers' brains?

    I don't think so.

    For starters, this may simply be an idle threat. There are a lot of questions about how many bankers will really be affected by these pay limitations. And even if they do want to leave, the bankers may not be able to make good on their threat. Anti-banker anger is on the rise just about everywhere and pay caps are being imposed in many of the world's financial centers including London and Paris, and are likely to be instituted elsewhere as well. Bankers in other financial centers simply do not receive the huge salaries and bonuses received by "top" U.S. bankers in recent years. In addition, bankers in other countries, including high priced ones, are losing their jobs. So, where are these angry U.S. bankers going to go?

    One answer is they will go to the unregulated "shadow" banking sector: hedge funds, private equity firms and the like. Of course, these are also under enormous stress. And if the Obama administration is going to prevent another crisis down the road, it will have to start seriously regulating this "shadow" system, including their compensation schemes.

    But, let's take bankers at their word. Let's say many of the "best minds in banking" will go elsewhere if serious pay restrictions are imposed. The question we have to ask is: so what? The answer is: this may be a blessing in not that much of a disguise.

    Most economists agree that our financial industry is now too large. In the boom and bubble of recent years, the financial industry grew enormously relative to the rest of the economy. According to data compiled by James Crotty of the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, the assets of the banking system grew from about the same size as the economy in 1960 to about 4 times its size by 2006. Starting in the mid-eighties, in other words, the size of the financial sector began growing much faster than the economy as a whole and its pace accelerated dramatically in the last 10 years leading up to the crisis. Most economists agree that the financial sector must shrink and as it does, some bankers will be sent off to other pastures.

    But what about the argument that the pay caps will make us lose the "best brains," as this restructuring takes place? Well, who are the highest paid bankers, the ones who should (but might not) chafe most under the new restrictions? The highest paid bankers are the "deal makers," the "rain makers," the ones who figured out how to create the toxic securities, the structured investment vehicles, the credit default swaps and sell them around the globe.

    We do not want these kind of deals to be made anymore and so we do not need these top brains - or any brains - to make them.

    In fact, our real problem has not been a brain drain, but the reverse: a brain rush into banking.

    Over the past twenty years, the vast majority of my economics students have wanted to go into banking upon graduation. The reasons are not hard to find: according to statistics compiled by economists Thomas Phillipon and Ariel Reshef at the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER), by 2007, average wages in investment and specialized banking had grown to be about 4 times higher than average wages in the economy as a whole (farms, aside). And by the year 2000, students with just an undergraduate degree who went into banking made $10,000 a year more than those going into engineering. For post graduates, the gap was even higher. Overall, by the 2000's, financiers were making 30 - 50% higher wages on average than others with the same level of education, skill and other relevant characteristics.

    It was like we faced a banking black hole-sucking in many of the good young minds of several generations - never to be seen again in the classrooms of schools, hospital wards, engineering firms, or solar cell manufacturing firms. Never, at least, until now.

    Now maybe some of the bankers losing their jobs, and more of my students, will choose to be teachers, doctors, engineers, manufacturers of wind turbines and solar cells, and even public servants. And the bankers that will be left in banking - some of it nationalized or quasi-nationalized - will not have the brains tuned-up for toxic deal making, but will have brains well suited for lending to small and medium sized businesses, for households and firms trying to make the green investments we need, for helping pension funds figure out how to really provide for their participants' retirements.

    So let's say to the government: tighten those pay restrictions, if necessary to make them bite.

    And let's say this to the bankers who are threatening to leave: we call your bluff. Make our day.

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    Gerald Epstein is Professor of Economics and co-director of the Political Economy Research Institute (PERI) at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, and Visiting Scholar, UniversitΓ¨, Paris NORD (Paris XIII). gepstein@econs.umass.edu.

  

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"Brain Drain" - seems as if

"Brain Drain" - seems as if there were no "brains" there to begin with and the "drain" is from our pockets.

There was never any reason

There was never any reason for ANY of the bank executives to make millions. They are employees, whatever else they may call themselves to feel better, are responsible to their banks' stockholders, and deserve a good income when annual results justify it. They do not deserve high compensation for mediocre or plain lousy, idiotic decisions affecting their employer's bottom line. Like all employees, they must be held accountable for their work. So, I say pay them 100k or 200k if they really, really deserve it. Otherwise, throw the bums out.

Well, Bye guys and happy

Well, Bye guys and happy life! We will miss you NOT!!! PF

let those rotten brains go

let those rotten brains go elsewhere to screw up at. not here. no more. we can at least make that clear to those banker-crooks. we have to put our foot down this time, once and for all.

Gerald Epstein is right. We

Gerald Epstein is right. We really don't need the brains that brought our economy to ruin to stick around. What we need is for them to go away. Far away! Good riddance! Stay gone, please. Do no more harm here.

Exactly. It's time to

Exactly. It's time to restore accountability. Besides, just where are all these other high paying banker jobs going to come from? There can only be so many places with any money even in the shadow market in this recession, so I still feel it's all an idle threat. Call their bluff. They ran us off a cliff, and got handsomely rewarded with my money. No more. Besides, we're not talking about capping the pay of honest, successful banker's salaries - just those who are asking for a government hand out while I go without health care and they run us into the ground with no accountability.

Their brains are already

Their brains are already drained. Fearing a brain drain from the banking, financial and Wall Street sector is like fearing a brain drain from those salmonella-ridden peanut processing plants.

It is about time the people

It is about time the people who reaped the millions and billions off the invested funds of the people now start living like the rest of us. The arrogance of bankers who look askance at $500,000 per year is one of the factors that brought us to this point.

Totally agree with above

Totally agree with above article. The bankers should be happy they are not going to jail.

Totally agree.

Totally agree.

BINGO!! Once again, the

BINGO!! Once again, the experts miss the obvious solution that Epstein points out. Now if the experts will only listen!! I am not too optimistic because the same folks that caused the problem are in charge of the solution, and those who aren't former bankers got campaign contributions from bankers. But it could happen.

I would take a graduating

I would take a graduating banking student with morals than an experienced hedge fund thief any day!

"But what about the

"But what about the argument that the pay caps will make us loose the "best brains," as this restructuring takes place?" - Um, that's "lose", not "loose" - unless the writer is implying that the problem has been caused by letting the "best brains" loose to prey on the financial system!

Geeze, maybe these guys will

Geeze, maybe these guys will not go into the practice of law. Hope they can find jobs in Zimbabwe and The Yucatan and leave the rest of the world in piece. I do not think many of those "brains" would do much of a job in university teaching, and that pay cut would be laughable. Heck, I really guess I hope they simply retire to someplace very quiet and do something totally harmless.

They can go anywhere they

They can go anywhere they like, so long as it's in a country with an extradition treaty.

So much accountability for

So much accountability for teachers of at risk students with no worries about brain drain at all. Then along come the pampered spoiled bankers and we are supposed to demand less of them?

"let those rotten brains go"

"let those rotten brains go" Totally agree. What troubles me about that is that if people use sheer greed to govern their job decisions, where can we expect the next scam to come from? Therein lay the limitations of our so-called "free markets" approach. Of course, not all people who pursue such endeavors are "evil", the problem is those that are really make life hell for the rest of us... and it matters not what industry they're in.

Maybe they should

Maybe they should unionize.....

They'll go somewhere else -

They'll go somewhere else - and leave banking entirely? Is that a threat or a promise? Can't happen soon enough.

When you make millions of

When you make millions of dollars every year for destroying the economy, why would we believe these guys had any brains at all. All they had was the ability to be as greedy as possible.

Money for nothing, chicks

Money for nothing, chicks for free." Wall Street banker's motto. And despite what everyone says, these guys aren't that bright. Read on and weep. Question: Can any fool be a banker? Answer: Yes. How much do you need to know to have mortgage companies shovel toxic junk through your front door, then slice and dice the junk with a few computer clicks, then pay the rating companies to label the junk "AAA", leverage each piece of AAA securities 30X and finally, sell it all over the world as gold. Garbage In, Gold Out.(GIGO). I would think that any junior high school grad can do this.

They can always get jobs as

They can always get jobs as lobbyists. That's been the last refuge of scoundrels for quite some time.

As a farmer, (non

As a farmer, (non corporate), could you explain the insertion below: "The reasons are not hard to find: according to statistics compiled by economists Thomas Phillipon and Ariel Reshef at the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER), by 2007, average wages in investment and specialized banking had grown to be about 4 times higher than average wages in the economy as a whole (farms, aside)." Is the Corporate Farming 'Institution' here to stay? Your reasoning seems to suggest this. Beat down the family farm. Good enough, but when things become anarchistic, do not come looking for food here. Your hands may have to become 'dirty'. Have a fantastic existence.

These "brain" fellows seem

These "brain" fellows seem to be as sociopathic as they are clever. Good riddance. If not jail, then they should have a long time ankle bracelet to know what they are up to next. But really they should go to jail.

The whole system is

The whole system is fraudulent - from one corner to the other. The people had excepted fiat fractional reserve banking without any fuss. In 1971 when the FED and Nixon removed the gold backing of the world reserve currency (a.k.a. "the dollar") were there riots and protests in the streets? NO. Even though the Brenton Woods contract was in breech and the US was bankrupt on paper. If you give handfuls of candy and cases of soda pop to a elementary school class and leave the room, only to come back and find the room in shambles, who is to blame? The kids? NO. Until this Keynesian based system is reinvented into a sustainable monetary system (Austrian School economics?) is makes no difference who is in control. It is the fault of the carelessness and negligence of the people of the US to the concerns of their government and monetary policy. Right now ALL actions that are being taken are to try and preserve the government and the current economic system - the people be damed. ( see the last half of: www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_atOvrTtT8 ) Support U.S. Congress H.R. 833 and abolish the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank monopoly over credit and monetary policy, and return to lawfully back 100% reserve credit and this mess won't happen again. God help the people of America.

Wrong. They have brains,

Wrong. They have brains, more than you know. They are schemers, taking over $2 Trillion out of the economy during boom times! Not created anything! Pushing buttons. They tried to classify every bit of their income as cap gains when that rate went down. They will create another loophole, go around any rules, using restricted stock, special dividends, etc. Remember the "carried interest" hedgefund/ private capital thing? It wasn't interest, and not carried, except all the way to the bank. Their lawyers created it, a con-job, to avoid classifying earned income like it was a commission, which it was and is. NO SOC SEC OR MEDICARE TAXES PAID ON THAT MONEY! Were talking billions, they will create another scam, bet your life on it. Just think of the feel-good words they gave you as they created 401Ks directed into stocks(not Treasury funds): "security"," equity".In 10 years, if you bought a 3% TBil/CD you'd be up 35%, you're down over 35% in stocks.

Losing all our top bankers

Losing all our top bankers could be risky to the economy. We're evidently going need to start an H-1B program to deal with the coming shortage of bankers and corporate executives. We should certainly be able to get them a lot cheaper overseas. Every line of work has been turned into a commodity over the last few years. That includes banking. To be perfectly fair, since "the market is always right", they should be getting paid the current market rate for unskilled labor. But perhaps we should start small, just to make sure the new policy will work, maybe with a pilot program to outsource the jobs of the CEOs of the companies in the S&P 500. And we can go from there.

If following the logic that

If following the logic that the banking sector might lose its best brains, therefore we can't be tough on them, then we would not have exposed the Enron Corp and put all those best brained traders and other perps out of work. Let the axe fall.

Exactly. But how can we

Exactly. But how can we influence the President to see this and really look into Wall Street and the Banks? Or perhaps he just isn't interested. He seems to have trouble turning his head around and looking backwards.

What brains?

What brains?

It would be a greed drain,

It would be a greed drain, and we would be better off with it than if the greedy stay.

So the alcoholics are

So the alcoholics are threatening not to come back to our bar, are they? They'll be missed (cough.) Sadly, it's like drug dealing - there are always wannabes ready jump onto the kingpin throne before it's barely chilled...

"The highest paid bankers

"The highest paid bankers are the "deal makers," the "rain makers," the ones who figured out how to create the toxic securities, the structured investment vehicles, the credit default swaps and sell them around the globe." Actually, at present, the bankers who figured out how to create these toxic securities are not being highly paid right now, they're getting or are already fired. The ones who are (or are being decided by shareholders and stakeholders) to be paid highly are the ones who are RIGHT NOW making money, making difficult decisions, and steering the investment businesses towards profitability or proper behavior as lending and financing and risk taking institutions. I think you yourself are being paid by the hyper 'ground roots' granola rage. It's amazing how you claim the corporate media is filled with bias. Hear this: Not everyone who works in a bank is evil, nor is everyone a drunk, a thief, or a CDO trader. I know it's hard to believe.

Maybe we'll get really

Maybe we'll get really really LUCKY and the 'Brain Drain' will spread... I mean... Imagine all those regular, again and again same old same old talking head 'brains' we see all the time on all the networks arguing/talking/PUNDICATING in their stale fashion the same way with the same points of view again and again and again and again.... Its Time for NEW all around, all over... Bring in the NEW out with the OLD.... LETs broaden our horizons, our perspectives, our knowledge, our points of view, our debate and discourse and our access to real information... BRING BACK THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE IN MEDIA. END THE CORPORATE MONOPOLY OWNERSHIP-STRANGLEHOLD ON AMERICAN MEDIA. Turn down the volume on Propaganda Machines. Freedom of Speech is a RIGHT... Owning all the media outlets so that only your speech can be heard is not a Right...

The "brains" that would

The "brains" that would "drain" are like the pus and corruption that must be drained from wounds that have been allowed to fester and become gangrenous. Until the pus and corruption are drained from the American economic system, the wounds will continue to fester. Anyone who demands an exhorbitant salary in order to do the relatively easy job of picking saver's pockets should be suspect. And until this applies to auto execs on the public dole, arrogant football coaches, over-priced "prestige" university presidents, etc., the public will continue to be short changed, and the public's interest ill served.

We could solve their

We could solve their employment problems by issuing each banker with an orange jumpsuit, with number, and putting them away for 10 to 15.

We-e-ell, we gave 'em

We-e-ell, we gave 'em bonuses to get us here. Maybe they think we should give them bonuses to put us back where we were before. Put the brains back in Science and politics and get the accountable)accountants back in banking. We don't need creative banking and accounting right now.

Heartless/Brainless.Look

Heartless/Brainless.Look where we are with bankers with no heart can it get much worse without their brains. Let's ask for a refund and make them bring our money back from the cayman islands or wherever they have it stashed greencastle

If these highly bankers are

If these highly bankers are our best brains, then we are in more trouble than we think. Instead of half a million Dollars, we should consider a lobotomy. These bankers got us into trouble in the first place.