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Who You Calling Socialist?

by: Harold Meyerson  |  The Washington Post

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Conservatives are currently attacking President Barack Obama by calling him a socialist. (Photo: Wired.com)

    "We are all socialists now," proclaims Newsweek. We are creating "socialist republics" in the United States, says Mike Huckabee, adding, on reflection, that "Lenin and Stalin would love this stuff." We are witnessing the Obama-era phenomenon of "European socialism transplanted to Washington," says Newt Gingrich.

    Well! Even as we all turn red, I've still encountered just two avowed democratic socialists in my daily rounds through the nation's capital: Vermont's Sen. Bernie Sanders . . . and the guy I see in the mirror when I shave. Bernie is quite capable of speaking for himself, so what follows is a report on the state of actual existing socialism from the other half of the D.C. Senators and Columnists Soviet.

    First, as we survey the political landscape, what's striking is the absence of advocates of socialism, at least as the term was understood by those who carried that banner during the capitalist crisis of the 1930s. Then, socialists and communists both spoke of nationalizing all major industries and abolishing private markets and the wage system. Today, it's impossible to find a left-leaning party anywhere that has such demands or entertains such fantasies. (Not even Hugo ChΓ‘vez - more an authoritarian populist than any kind of socialist - says such things.)

    Within the confines of socialist history, this means that the perspective of Eduard Bernstein - the fin de siecle German socialist who argued that the immediate struggle to humanize capitalism through the instruments of democratic government was everything, and that the goal of supplanting capitalism altogether was meaningless - has definitively prevailed. Within the confines of American history, this means that when New York's garment unions left the Socialist Party to endorse Franklin Roosevelt in 1936, they were charting the paradigmatic course for American socialists: into the Democratic Party to support not the abolition of capitalism but its regulation and democratization, and the creation of some areas of public life where the market does not rule.

    But in the United States, conservatives have never bashed socialism because its specter was actually stalking America. Rather, they've wielded the cudgel against such progressive reforms as free universal education, the minimum wage or tighter financial regulations. Their signal success is to have kept the United States free from the taint of universal health care. The result: We have the world's highest health-care costs, borne by businesses and employees that cannot afford them; nearly 50 million Americans have no coverage; infant mortality rates are higher than those in 41 nations - but at least (phew!) we don't have socialized medicine.

    Give conservatives credit for their consistency: They attacked Roosevelt as a socialist as they are now attacking Obama, when in fact Obama, like Roosevelt before him, is engaged not in creating socialism but in rebooting a crashed capitalist system. The spending in Obama's stimulus plan isn't a socialist takeover. It's the only way to inject money into a system in which private-sector investment, consumption and exports - the other three possible engines of growth - are locked down. Investing more tax dollars in education and research and development is a way to use public funds to create a more competitive private sector. Keeping our banks from speculating madly with our money is a way to keep banking alive.

    If Obama realizes his agenda, what emerges will be a more social, sustainable, competitive capitalism. His more intellectually honest and sentient conservative critics don't accuse him of Leninism but of making our form of capitalism more like Europe's. In fact, over the past quarter-century, Europe's capitalism became less regulated and more like ours, one reason Europe is tanking along with everyone else.

    Take it from a democratic socialist: Laissez-faire American capitalism is about to be supplanted not by socialism but by a more regulated, viable capitalism. And the reason isn't that the woods are full of secret socialists who are only now outing themselves.

    Judging by the failures of the great Wall Street investment houses and the worldwide crisis of commercial banks; the collapse of East Asian, German and American exports; the death rattle of the U.S. auto industry; the plunge of stock markets everywhere; the sickening rise in global joblessness; and the growing shakiness of governments in fledgling democracies that opened themselves to the world market - judging by all these, a more social capitalism is on the horizon because the deregulated capitalism of the past 30 years has blown itself up, taking much of the known world with it.

    So, for conservatives searching for the culprits behind this transformation of capitalism: Despite our best efforts, it wasn't Bernie and it wasn't me. It was your own damn system.

  

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I fear Socialism much less

I fear Socialism much less than I do the version of Capitalism that we seem to have... and in some areas we all love socialism- take for example the fire departments that protect our homes... anybody want to privatize the fire department, or the police? How about the military?

What the crypto-fascists who

What the crypto-fascists who denounce the meager assistance to the poor and unemployed fail to concede is that we've had socialism in this country for a very long time. It's just that that socialism has been of a peculiar variety. Profits are privatized, while the costs are socialized. What they lament is that our long-established form of socialism that benefited the wealthiest corporations is now being somewhat (and modestly) reversed to include the majority of the population instead of the elite minority to whom it has traditionally been funneled. All of the major arms manufacturers would be unable to survive in this so-called "free market", nor would most of the high-tech firms that depend on the universities for their "free" research. The fact is that all of the high-tech gadgets we use daily were developed at public expense, then turned over to private industry when they became profitable. Also, the police, the military, fire departments, schools, libraries, all the legislatures and courts, and a whole host of other such organizations are all socialist, dependent upon tax dollars for their very being. Still, we have not learned the obvious: It is not socialism, but capitalism that is the problem. To quote former Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas, "Those in power are blind devotees to private enterprise. They accept that degree of socialism implicit in the vast subsidies to the military-industrial-complex, but not that type of socialism which maintains public projects for the disemployed and the unemployed alike. The great welfare scandal of the age concerns the dole we give rich people."

When I gave food to the

When I gave food to the poor, they called me a saint. When I asked Why the poor were hungry, they called me a communist. - Dom Helder Camara, Archbishop of Recife, Brazil.

As rated by the WHO, the

As rated by the WHO, the French have the best medical system in the world, birthed from socialist economics. Why is THAT not broadcast all over the media, I wonder? I think we need our media to give its citizens a Socialism 101 course during its news broadcasts, in which socialism, as a valid political system, is explained from scratch. Currently, the word is synonymous has become synonymous with the word "satan." In other words, people talk about socialism as though its a kind of religious system, not an extremely intelligent form of government and economics.

It's good to be living in

It's good to be living in the USSA, the United Socialist States of America. Despite its birthing struggles, let's hope for all of our sakes and for the world's sake that America's new incarnation is more people oriented than the old, dead America. People oriented is, after all, what socialism means, i.e., doing the greatest good for the greatest number. Capitalism means money oriented. Given the choice between being people oriented or being money oriented, only a few lunatics will choose the latter.

What I'd like to see on this

What I'd like to see on this topic is for Obama to say to Newsweek, Gingrich, et al: "You're right. We're Socialists. We won. You lost. You threw away the country; your corporations have abandoned and oppressed the people of this country, and now we get to try it our way - bottom-up Socialism." OK. Time to wake up now. Nice dream, though.

My father always said, "We

My father always said, "We have the worst aspects of socialism and the worst aspects of capitalism, and none of the benefits of either." That was from a man who (along with my mother) lived through the "Great Depression," raised five kids, worked for $.50/12 hour day during that depression, and they scrimped enough to give all of their kids (and one grandson that they raised) $15,000.00 before they died. I became a college history prof., but I think that I learned more from my father and mother than from any other thing

"...anybody want to

"...anybody want to privatize the fire department, or the police? How about the military?" If you think there aren't any in this country who would answer your question with sincerity in the affirmative, then you haven't been paying attention these last few years.

Exactly. Obama is rebooting

Exactly. Obama is rebooting a failed capitalism. The game is still the elite capitalist game of converting the natural resources of this world into dollars and binary code. Perpetual growth however is impossible, and it requires ultimate destruction, within a finite system. You know, a finite system like a planet. I.e. we get off the growth machine willingly or we get thrown off by the inevitable crash of this economic system that demands we go faster, faster, faster.

I agree with Mr. Meyerson's

I agree with Mr. Meyerson's article and Fr Tothus's comments. The people that shout the loudest against any sort of Socialism are themselves already heavily socialized... a privileged class that is employed and cared for by The Government. They give them life-long jobs that include health care, good pay w/raises each year, paid vacation days, holidays, sick days, personal days off, etc. In exchange for these perks they enjoy acting like self righteous overlords instead of ordinary Civil Servants. Only THEY are ENTITLED to these benefits! There's a lot of other people in this country with NOTHING that would like just a small piece of the cake they're serving themselves. Socialism for PEOPLE... not Corporations!!! What we have now is just institutionally entrenched AMERICANS ripping off all the other AMERICANS that aren't. This whole problem is really about class warfare more than anything else.

I came down here today on a

I came down here today on a socialist highway, got a drink of socialized water from the tap, noticed a socialist fire truck outside, and got a connection on the socialist internet. Oh, I forgot, I also stoped at the socialist park before I came in. Whats the point in living in a community if you don't intend to be communal. I just wish this town had some public (socialist) transport other than the police department.

The Right Wing and their

The Right Wing and their Republican allies like to use the word 'Socialism' as a pejorative with which to describe anyone who wishes to establish programs or policies to provide the benefits that the American people most need, affordable Health Care and the serious improvement of our Public Education system just two of the most obviously compelling. Republican Senator, John McCain, not only tried to brand Barack Obama as a "Socialist who wants to spread the wealth", as we should all remember he also went on record as determined to diminish Social Security. Needless to say this was all the revelation of McCain's thinking and that of the GOP that anyone needs, to understand what the real goal of the Republicans is and has always been, to Cut the Taxes of and provide further benefits to the Rich at the expense of the Working people and now even the Middle Class. If it's Socialism to want to deal with the economic disparity between Rich and Poor in this country, now infinitely greater than ever before thanks to 8 years of Republican Rule under G.W. Bush, than call it what you will it's a GREAT STEP FORWARD for American Democracy!

"I think we need our media

"I think we need our media to give its citizens a Socialism 101 course during its news broadcasts, in which socialism, as a valid political system, is explained from scratch." As card carrying member of the Socialist Party of the United States I wholeheartedly agree. I have to do this on an almost weekly basis and I can tell you I have run into some very staunch conservatives but after a little socialism 101 they are astonished at how palatable they find democratic socialism.

Will the "ism-debate" never

Will the "ism-debate" never end ? The "European style" argument is especially frustrating. So many differences separate European countries, hardly any conclusions about their "socialisms" can be sustained , except for one startling fact: the present-day public policies in those very different countries do owe a great deal to the fact that, since about 1900 A.D., Socialist parties of one kind or another - and they were very different in their heyday - held the reins of power in many countries sufficiently long to humanize, civilize, and equalize the then-rampant Darwinian Capitalisms that preceded them. So, even after their days were done,much of their spirit survives among the people and their political parties to this day in one way or another. One wonders what it would take for an "American Socialism" to tame that same voraciously cannibalistic tiger in this country. The defenders of the status quo ante in this country mean to scare us all by claiming that the time has already arrived. Plain as day is the obvious: they are defending their own hold on power. There seem to be no serious socialist impulses beating in the American political heart. Norman Thomas, amongst others, learned that the hard way when his largely non-ideological supporters of yore went heart, line and sinker for Franklin D. Roosevelt in '32 and '36. And if that one was a socialist I'll eat my proverbial hat. "Try anything, so long as it works", was his motto. If there is an "ism" at the root of that tenet it has to be called "pragmatism". As we look at the new regime in Washington these days, doesn't that seem familiar ?

Has anybody established a

Has anybody established a "yardstick" on emotional quotient (EQ) which is comparable to the Intelligence Quotient (IQ)? The Conservative adults come across as 6-9 year- old schoolyard bullies (male and female) who are not yet capable of managing their emotions.

It never ceases to amaze me.

It never ceases to amaze me. You people all deserve what you get! Of course, all the people here are thieves already; elitist, academic, intellectual, rationalizing thieves, plain and simple. If I made it, and didn't harm anyone in the making of it, it should be MINE! How can you advocate theft from anyone and call yourselves moral? Oh well, in the famous words of Francisco D'Anconia "...You asked for it, you got it, brother..." Greenspan pulled a number on you all, and no manner of jockeying is going to save you from the result.

What the state-corporatist

What the state-corporatist socialists are "banking" on is that the 100 years of propaganda they've been paying for in the media, their think-tanks, &c. will still work, i.e. that the general public will still react in a knee-jerk way to words like "socialism," "communism." Today [2/4/09] a former high up federal administrator said that "from 2001 to 2009 the United States has been a dictatorship." It has been a "soft dictatorship" I would say since 1981 with the inauguration of Ronald Reagan. We need to speak with our families, our friends and our neighbors, anyone who'll listen, and do what we can to reverse the effects of those 100 years. People I know defend the corporate tyranny by saying, "Well, it's our system." It's not OUR system; it belongs to the super-rich. The idea of regulating and democratizing our economy is anathema to them. Here's how Milton Friedman defined democracy in the dvd called THE CORPORATION: "Democracy is when 51% of the people can decide to kill 49% of the people." What a perverted view! With ideologues like that, no wonder the super-rich have been able to succeed in keeping ordinary people from having any say whatsoever in the American and global economy. What is it based on? A fantasy. The rhetorical question is: suppose you got rich, would you like the government to take your money away from you? Answer: No. What is the fantasy? That in a society where acquiring wealth is stacked against people in ratios similar to state lotteries the vast vast majority of the people who would answer "no" would ever get rich.

The US government has spent

The US government has spent trillions bailing out wall street fat cats. Now Obama directs maybe $200 billion towards the middle class, working class, and poor. That ain't socialism, it is oligarchy and classic Burkean reform conservatism. Obama is trying to prop up the established order.

All Obama is attempting to

All Obama is attempting to do is extend socialism down to the middle class and poor people. Reagan launched the biggest socialist state for the rich the world has ever known. Reforming capitalism as Meyerson indicates Obama wishes will not solve the problem. Taking the needs of all our brothers and sisters as our own and freely sharing what we have with them will.

It is a shame we are all

It is a shame we are all taking sides against each other rather than looking at the real culprit. Do your research, check our the New World Order, Overview of America, Freedom to Facism. We need to start to think for ourselves, and stop regurgitating rhetoric from the political elitists. True Democrats, Republicans and Libertarians want to go back to our basic Constitution. The lust for moneyand power in the upper levels of government are stripping away our Liberty.

To Anonymous 01:29, who

To Anonymous 01:29, who mentioned all of the wisdom he learned from his parents who survived the last Depression: THANK YOU FOR THIS COMMENT. My parents are of that generation as well, and our country is sorely needing their wisdom right now. They are the last generation of Americans who are/were truly able to handle times like these. I'm afraid that the rest of us are suffering from an extreme shallowness that is going to haunt us. It's a fallacy that they are more conservative. Our generation wouldn't have had the nuggets to end segregation. Our generation wouldn't have made waves to change our entire way of thinking to end the Viet Nam War. Many in our generation would wonder why hitler was getting such bad press, and would wonder if it was worth it to actually stop him if push came to shove. The liberals of that generation were, and still are, used to a fight. The New Deal has been negatively repainted by right-wing revisionist history, but as my Dad once mentioned, people forget that if it weren't for President Roosevelt, there was a chance this country would suffer a bloody revolution. To anyone reading this comment, If you have loved-ones from that generation who are still around, please thank them for saving our asses and tell them you love them. They have a sense of HONOR and DUTY to their fellow countrymen that needs to be re-invigorated in all of us if we actually plan to save this country. I hope we can learn from their example and make the right choices for our children and grandchildren. One way to start, would be to finally put the last nail in the coffin of the, formerly stylish, selfish cynicism of Reaganomics.

Our public education system,

Our public education system, which has been systematically destroyed, should be teaching the history of unions and of socialism and should be having students do research on comparative systems of government, health systems, retirement systems and standards of living. Most Americans dont' travel and have no idea how people live in other places. Sure we could compare ourselves with the less developed world, but should we?

Limpy and the Grinch had

Limpy and the Grinch had they're time to speak up before the walls came down. They offer sour sarcasm and not a wit of whit. They offer nothing viable, if they could possibly gear into a constructive mode, I'm sure Mr. Obam has big ears. But bottom line ratings are they're focus. I rate them -?? Because I'm not certain how low they can stoop. Has anyone taken a poll to see how many of they're supporters are on antidepressants?

Well, the Military was/ is

Well, the Military was/ is mostly "Privatized"... The ones we have left are PTSD and/ or on their 4th-5th-6th tour of duty. I don't necessarily advocate Socialism but I certainly DO NOT WANT MORE OF WHAT WE'VE ALREADY HAD-A DICTATOR-TRAITOR AND HIS IMPERIALIST RUIN OF THE CONSTITUTION!!!...Those in his administration need to be prosecuted! So, you'd be happier with Limbaugh!?! Anyone not for us will hurt us. Yes, I want our Fire Departments, I want people employed and NO KAISER PERMANENTE... Europe's health care works...Much better than ours does! No home-no job-no health insurance- No more REPUBLICANS!

re: "Profits are privatized,

re: "Profits are privatized, while the costs are socialized. " I think that is a variety of corporatism (fascism) known as crony capitalism.

Excellent comment

Excellent comment

.....NOW, IF MOST

.....NOW, IF MOST U.S.CITIZENS STOPPED SWEATING WHEN THEY HEAR OR SEE THE WORDS COMMUNIST AND SOCIALIST.. WE COULD START THINKING STRAIGHT. WE ARE VERY HAPPY TO SEE ALL THE COMMENTS FROM THE HERETOFOR SILENT U.S. MEN AND WOMEN.. SOMETHING OBAMA HAS DONE, IS LIBERATE SPEECH ...AND THOUGHT IN THE U.S... GREAT! IT AUGURS WELL FOR THE COUNTRY!!! NOW IF MR. RUSH LIMB. CAN CONTINUE HIS RANTING AND PROVE THE EMOTIONAL BACKWARDNESS OF SOME REPUGS WHO WILL ATTEMPT TO DEFEND HIM...THE COUNTRY SHOULD BE SAFE FOR A LONG TIME..... PAM

Socialism has always

Socialism has always promoted the Greater (common) Good. Capitalism champions the Chosen (elite) Few. Centralized socialism is no different than the state- capitalism which is happening now. Since the creation of the Volunteer Army, the military has become more and more privatized. Most military recruitment stems from economic reasons more than patriotic ones-- though, under capitalism, the most patriotic thing to do is to make a buck.

What is Socialism? Many

What is Socialism? Many years ago in my high school civics class capitalism and communism were defined as extremes in the economic systems. Socialism was just about everything else between. I don't understand what the right wing pundants are defining as socialism? It is just a devil word or does it have a defined meaning? Please help me understand.

Who is John Galt?

Who is John Galt?

This article is right on

This article is right on target -- I especially appreciate the points about what Conservatives have opposed in the past -- things that we all take for granted today as necessary to a workable system. The kind of criticism that has arisen in reaction to Obama should not be surprising, however, since this same kind of thing emerged in reaction to FDR -- and it's just as ludicrous now as it was then! The very people who brought about the crash with their extreme deregulation and tax cuts to the rich (1926 Tax Act) refused to accept responsibility and sought to destroy the measures NECESSARY to resuscitate the system and make it viable. I pray Obama will succeed and that the conservatives -- and the media who unquestioningly parrot what they say -- will not be successful in derailing the work that needs to be done -- for the sake of everyone.

Americans are so stupid.

Americans are so stupid. The problem is "totalitarian" government, not the form of economic system we use. These two completely different dimensions get confused when it comes to terms like "socialism". Socialism is what Jesus Christ taught, feeding the poor, and such. These so-called Christians (the fundamentalist right, which is terrified by the terms socialism) should actually read the New Testament. He was, in fact, a radical socialist! When you have totalitarian socialism, you get the Soviet Union or Maoist China. When you have totalitarian capitalism, you have Hitler's Nazis. The problem is with totalitarianism, not the economic system it utilizes. The opposite of totalitarianism? That would be ... democracy. Old style traditional American democracy. The problem is that, in recent years, we've abandoned so many key elements of democratic government (see the recent Bush memos!). Totalitarian capitalism, what we had under Bush, is also called "fascism". That is, Hitler's Germany has become the model under Republicans. Let's get this straight!

For those who ask "Who is

For those who ask "Who is John Galt?", the answer is that John Galt is a fictional character in fiction-writer Ayn Rand's fictional novel "Atlas Shrugged" which describes fictional events in a fictional world, through which work of fiction she sets forth her fictional philosophy which she called "Objectivism". Libertarians, whose philosophy resembles Ayn Rand's fictional philosophy Objectivism in that it has no relationship to actual persons or events living or dead, like to pretend that Ayn Rand's fictional characters and fictional events and fictional world are real. They remind me of people who like to dress up in plastic pointy ears, green makeup and space suits and pretend that Star Trek is real.

Socialism and Capitalism go

Socialism and Capitalism go hand in hand. Otherwise you have rich capitalist underpaying their work force or you Communism, which is actually a dictatorship where the so-called government owns everything and everyone and that is NOT socialism. The Russian Communist misnamed their country the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Some of them may have had socialism in mind but the dictators wanted total control over everyone and everything just like they thought the Czar had over them. You cannot have a sustained capitalism without true socialism which takes care of the people who make a free market possible with free public education which we all actually pay for with income and property taxes and free healthcare, which we all will also pay for with premiums taken out of our pay just like Medicare is now and so is our Social Security Retirement - we pay an insurance premium to the US Government (SSA) for our SSR income. They called it a 'tax' so that it could be put under the already existing tax laws but it is really an insurance premium that pays an annuity when we are old. The US Military has always been a good form of socialism. Military enlisted personnel get paid to work and also receive free housing and food and medical care and life insurance. But, they and we also pay for all of it. The US Government doesn't have any money of its own, they get everything they have from "us" because "we" are the government of the United States. Everything in this country belongs to its citizens and people who don't and won't take care of their own should emigrate out of America.

Anyone who knows and

Anyone who knows and understands Socialism knows that Obama is not a Socialist and European style Socialism is not what he is aiming for. (Would that it were.) The only ones who need fear a fairer distribution of money, government services and jobs are Boehner, Cantor, McCain and their cronies, who have staked everything on becoming rich and are terrified that if others had more, their only source of power and prestige would be threatened. Have they never developed any inner resources? As for the Ayn Rand cultists who responded to this article, get out of your ivory tower of adolescent dreams and grow up. Ayn Rand didn't, and I wonder if you are aware of what happened to her and her movement in the last years of her life.

Glad to hear that there are

Glad to hear that there are still some sane people in the world. Thank you Mr. Meyerson. A very small number of people who created mortgage-backed derivatives and credit default swaps have managed to bring the world's financial market to their knees. The only player remaining with any capital is the government and hopefully next time, they will do a better job of regulating the financial markets. Could you imagine if we would have switched 8 years ago to a dual social security system with some people investing in 401K's? Wipe out.

We're witnessing a

We're witnessing a well-understood process of self-justification on the part of people who know that they are accountable in some measure for the social and economic failures of the last forty years. There's a great book on the topics of cognitive dissonance and self-justification called "Mistakes Were Made ( but not by me)". It helps make sense of what is happening, and provides guidance in responding effectively. Trying to 'win over' hard-core Conservatives through rational argument is almost always a waste of time. They have far too much invested in what they believe, and aren't open to rationalizations regardless of how much sense they make. The worst thing is to attack them, as this just intensifies their resentment and defensiveness and slows *everything* down. On the other hand, recognizing their value to the progressive cause and asking them to help move things forward is the most promising strategy, because this offers them a way to redeem themselves without having to explicitly acknowledge past failures. Judging from some of Obama's cabinet appointments, he clearly understand this. If this approach is too much for you to stomache, then please just ignore all the Conservative griping and resolve to just work around them. Do NOT attack them, as this is counter-productive. They will fight to the death to protect their reputations, and this means wasted time and energy. Our critical need is to rise above all this infantile, wasteful and mind-numbing pettiness. Let them gripe and grumble - we have more important things to do. And try to find it within yourself to ask for their help, and thereby acknowledge that they at least still have the *potential* to be of value.

Capitalism is a myth. It

Capitalism is a myth. It disappeared around the turn of the last century. What we have now is National Socialism or Crookism. When an American praises capitalism he is really talking about crookism where everything is rigged and jacked by a plutocracy class. Fascism is rule by advertising and lies. Nazism is rule by force.

"If I made it, and didn't

"If I made it, and didn't harm anyone in the making of it, it should be MINE! ": SO WHAT? who did you get the raw materials from, how did you get them. how did you acquire the ability to make it. no one helped you. you made it out of empty space. ok. so who is taking it away from you. you live in this society and owe big for everything this society has given yiou since your first breath, and it wasn't cheap. Your life wasn't CHEAP. You owe every doctor every relative every farmer and every teacher and the rest of us who paid the taxes. if you want to live on your own in isolation away from society: go and do it. nobody's stopping you. but if you used water and air and energy and roads and telephones and grocery stores then you have to pay your fair share. right now if you made it it is yours. nobody's changed that. but what has to change is a few people getting everything by taking it away from everyone else.

I disagree that fighting

I disagree that fighting conservatives head on is counterproductive. Of course they won't cooperate. Don't count on them to cooperate with a progressive agenda no matter how you sugar-coat it. It's not in their selfish interests. We fight conservatives to show the other 70% of the country who don't strongly identify with either ideology that our arguments are just as valid as their's - plain and simple. If we don't, we are just cowardly wimps who like sunshine and lollipops and make-believe, whereas conservatives offer the only chance of leadership by grown-ups. Liberalism isn't just about wearing a peace-sign tie-died t-shirt and pretending everyone can get along.

adam smith and economists

adam smith and economists since have been very clear that free markets without regulation result in economic collapse. Adam Smith insists that without open transparent accountable methods of redistribution of wealth, capitalism is impossible. Capital is a means to accomplish social aims, by definition. That is how Smith defines it. Capital alienated from social life is an absurdity, and how absurd it is we now see as this system of blind out of control accumulation of capital in the hands of a small minority in the service of private greed collapses around us just as Smith predicted 200 years ago.

"take for example the fire

"take for example the fire departments that protect our homes... anybody want to privatize the fire department, or the police? How about the military?" Well thyat is exactly precisely what these right wing nutter actuall want: privately ownede water soil air police armies privately owned prisons hospitals and highways privately owned schools and satellites and weather service: all privately owned for profit> welcome to Limbaughland, heaven on earth till the Rapture comes. Everything owned privately except your gonads. They belong to the church.

Thank you, Mr. Meyerson, for

Thank you, Mr. Meyerson, for your insightful, honest, and courageous article, and thanks to everyone who wrote comments. When I read comments like these, with the exception of one or two from people who think they pulled themselves up by their own bootstraps, I'm much more hopeful about our future. There are still people out there who THINK, who have studied history, and who realize that we are all interconnected and owe a debt of gratitude to those who fed us, educated us, protected us, and built or sustain this world we live in...and I'm not just referring to our parents. Farmers, teachers, police officers, truck drivers, soldiers, store clerks, food preparers and servers, mechanics, and many others make this world run. Many of them struggle to get by because they chose or ended up in professions that don't pay what a bank president makes. Many work very hard, long hours. What makes them less worthy of good pay, health care, and a decent home than who were born into wealth or were able to get jobs that pay a lot of money? So, to simplify, throw out all the "isms" and make this country one where everyone can have a decent quality of life. Good luck, President Obama!

Meyerson writes: In the

Meyerson writes: In the 1930's"... socialists and communists both spoke of nationalizing all major industries and abolishing private markets and the wage system. Today, it's impossible to find a left-leaning party anywhere that has such demands or entertains such fantasies." I think he is wrong on both accounts. Democratic Socialists then and now proposed nationalization of industry, but not abolition of the wage system. Furthermore, once the communist currents of that era adopted the popular front in 1936-7, calls for nationalization and elimination of markets and the wage system stopped. But during the hey day of the new left, new parties arose, which still continue, and they call for the full elimination of capitalism, which means wages, commodities, markets, and private ownership of industry. How did Harold miss all of this?

Socialism bad! National

Socialism bad! National Socialism good! You can't really get over -at least I cant-the stupidity of this.

When the first cavemen got

When the first cavemen got together and drew straws to determine which one would keep the cooking fire fueled for the night socialism was born. In my opinion the opposite of socialism is anarchy. The very fact that people gather together in villages, towns and cities and pay taxes to have social services such as garbage collection, paved streets etc is socialism. Capitalists who accept subsidies agricultural crops such as cotton are parasites who accept socialism at the expense of the working class. Zoning bylaws are socialism! God deliver me from right wing Christian fundamentalists who claim to be disciples of the greatest socialist of them all. He who told his followers to feed the hungry, clothe the naked etc. The secret to socialism is perfecting a balance.

All the "isms" are ideology,

All the "isms" are ideology, I am more interested in what works for the most, not just a few. I really don't care what it is called or what I am called. I believe very strongly in: Universal Education - as far as you can go. Universal Healthcare - as much as is necessary, but with an emphasis on preventive care A transparent financial system, where the books are not cooked A transparent government where the Common good is the rule not the exception Mostly honest business - I know that is the hard one, but there are many of those out there. I could go on and on, but I don't want people to get the idea that I am idealistic or naive. I am not, but as retired military, I have hope that those things are possible, but I haven't started holding my breath yet. So I guess that a good many would call me all kinds of interesting names :)

"Owners of capital will

"Owners of capital will stimulate working class to buy more and more of expensive goods, houses and technology, pushing them to take more and more expensive credits, until their debt becomes unbearable. The unpaid debt will lead to bankruptcy of banks, which will have to be nationalized." Karl Marx, Das Kapital, 1867 Karl was not so dumb.

Thank you Mr Meyerson, for

Thank you Mr Meyerson, for bringing our beloved Senator Sanders into your article. Contrary to right-wingy beliefs, Vermont is still capitalism-based, but the good Senator will be re-elected as long as he wants the seat. Why? Because his voice, his votes and his interests coincide with those of a super-majority here in the green mountains. His focus is unerringly aimed at the public good: health care; heating oil; alternative energy. We won't be rushing the banks any time soon, or braising the rich over open-pit fires. We will be moving closer to Bernie Sanders' positions, since they always make the most sense. Call it what you want: it works. Maybe we all ought to wear red.

Refreshing to read Fr.

Refreshing to read Fr. Trothius clear and cogent prose. Names like Socialism and Capitalism don't get us very far. It's a question of the balances implied in mutual and shared responsibility, not unbridled greed - for those who can afford it - which is what we have seen in this country, and in those that have tried to follow us, for decades. We need to remind ourselves of the dark and seductive undertow in the American Dream and start thinking about American Reality. We have lived in delusions so long that we've become blind to their insidious power. We need to dunk Geithner's nose, and Rubin's and Summers' in a trough of commonsense. They must now think hard about things like debt-management, over-reaching, and arithmetic, or we will spiral into perdition. The first thing we have to do is disabuse ourselves of all the 'experts' in failed banks which we the people are supporting and now, in part, own.

You'd think the republican

You'd think the republican smear machine could come up with better name-calling than "socialist". Especially since we see how well the robber baron capitalism promoted by Reagan and two generations of Bush has worked out for everyone lately.

I recently resigned from my

I recently resigned from my role in these tough economic times mainly because the ethics and principles of the organisation I worked for conflicted with my own. For almost 15 years, I have worked in various IT and Finance multinationals, and been a unflinching Socialist much to the chagrin of my friends, colleagues and associates. Now that I find myself looking for work, and I'm by no means the only one, I feel vindicated as I will be getting benefits that will help me to keep my head above water, and subsidised medicine which will ensure that I'll be looked after if I have issues with my health. SK

Huckabee has no clue about

Huckabee has no clue about social history or about the cosmos, nor has the bulk of the press. You may think this a non sequitur but, uh ''who you caling a socialist'' you say, I say social justice doesn't need any other name and I say this to the African Union: Sir, Any possible basis for an equitable coexistence of humans on this planet is compromised by toleration of crimes against humanity. true it is, that since 1945 many more genocides have occurred, nevertheless, those occurrences do not constitute a justification for more terror. The Sudanese regime has conducted itself in a criminal way, terrorizing and murdering hundreds of thousands of its citizens. That behavior cannot be countenanced. The horrors of the Kivu region are also a terror that cannot any longer be countenanced. The outrageous statements by the sudanese criminals to the effect that their murderous acts are protected anti-imperialist actions is a disgrace to any intellect. The common man, the common man with a common understanding of justice is simply tired of this. Instead of countenancing and supporting the sudanese government murderers, we, the common people of the world, have this demand, yes DEMAND, raise an African army of 3 million, intervene in sudan, arrest its criminal regime in toto, and place the entire country under OAU mandate pending the establishment of a humane rule of law respecting the equal rights of all and that means equal rights of women as well as men. Africa has to chose, is Africa a chattle of Arabia? Then answer is no, is it not?

Well, after 8 years of

Well, after 8 years of BuShism-CONservatism-Rightwingnutism..., I'm all for what Republikans are Labeling as SOCIALISM... That's what Republikans are good at--- Foisting Labels.... SO---- Like BuSh said--- BRING IT ON...!... Let's all cheer for '''Socialism'''..!!..... LOL>>>!!!!!

Rush hates anything he can

Rush hates anything he can actually pronounce. Socialism doesn't have to be so much 'ism. Just social. What's wrong with a charitable hand when your own economy is based on greed? Would we prefer to use and abuse the workers until the grave? Profits are best handled by the wise. Put something away for that rainy day. Like a fund for the future lay offs. Like Social Security for people who don't want an entire lifetime of slavery. Workers compensation for that broken leg neighbor. Welfare for that family between jobs. Life according to Rush is "work or die, sucker". Why does the GOP even listen to that fat drugged out prick? Oh yeah, he's loud, stupid and obnoxious. A real GOP party representative.

I am actually not advocating

I am actually not advocating pure socialism, except in the case of health care for all (single payer) and finding homes for the homeless. I am advocating A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD where we don't get gouged for things like gas and overpriced housing. We need to raise the minimum wage and find a system that raises working people's salaries. Tax loopholes and subsidies for the rich to gouge us must be ended. Exxon Mobile should not be getting a 10 billion tax credit while they have a 50 billion dollar profit. Banks should not be allowed to prop up the price of houses. The price of houses should go down because too many people just can't afford them anymore and now we have a glut of them. We have to reduce the price of our military. Many things can be done to produce a level playing field without going to all out socialism.