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Not Capitalist, Not Socialist

by: E.J. Dionne Jr.  |  The Washington Post

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President Barack Obama with Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd. (Photo: Gerald Herbert / AP)

    Just a few weeks ago, the vogue was to declare that "we are all socialists now," and to speak of how capitalist theory and practice were being toppled by an economic catastrophe that proved how profoundly flawed the old system was.

    There is something to this, especially if what is seen to be falling is not the market system itself but an approach to capitalism that saw government playing an ever-smaller role in economic and social life, and finance reigning over production and invention.

    The bywords now are stimulus (by government), reregulation of finance (by government) and stronger safety nets (also provided by government). If there is one part of the system that is under sustained attack, it is the mechanisms of finance.

    Still, that doesn't make us socialist. There is, as yet, no broad demand for a government takeover of big companies or a widespread desire to replace capitalism with a cooperative system.

    We may well turn more toward social democracy, socialism's philosophical brother that made peace with the market after World War II. But above all, the demand in the democracies is for experimentation and - I know this word is unsatisfying - pragmatism. We have put down the ideological enthusiasms of the Reagan-Thatcher era and come up with . . . well, with a lot of questions.

    In describing the confusion of the current political moment, David Winston, a Republican pollster, offered an arresting metaphor. "It's like a game of 52-card pickup," he said, "and all of the cards are still in the air."

    He was discussing the state of the fight between Republicans and Democrats in Washington, but this will also be the theme when the world's leading economic powers meet in London this week.

    Of course there is agreement that the economic system is a mess, and also that the rules of regulating finance should be tightened. Where there is disagreement is over how far individual governments should go in using public money to spend our way back to prosperity. There is also discord over exactly how damaged the international capitalist system really is.

    These areas of difference may well be played up in the news accounts. What the reports won't say is that this is hardly surprising, since the world's leaders are still trying to figure out the precise nature of the storm that has hit us.

    Voters in democracies have reasonably good intuitions as to what a political moment requires, and if there is a trend in democratic nations now, it is toward younger politicians who express disenchantment with the status quo, more by questioning past approaches than by offering fully worked-out alternative systems.

    This was brought home last week when President Obama met with Prime Minister Kevin Rudd of Australia. Both are young. Both were elected with overwhelming support among voters under 30.

    Both are mildly leftish and critical of the conservatism of the recent past, yet there was a calculated vagueness in the promises each of them made: In 2008, Obama pledged himself to change, while Rudd in 2007 promised "new leadership" and "fresh ideas." Neither Obama nor Rudd was pressed too hard to define the refreshing change each had in mind.

    On the right end of politics, British Conservative Party leader David Cameron has made a name for himself mainly by backing away from the old Thatcher brand in favor of pragmatism -- and by being young. When Obama made his European campaign swing last year, Cameron embraced him, suggesting that the British Tory wants to move beyond a discredited conservative past. Prime Minister Gordon Brown hopes to use this week's meeting to get his own Obama bounce.

    In Italy, the left-of-center Democratic Party recently chose 50-year-old Dario Franceschini as its new leader. His political past is rooted in the old centrist Christian Democratic Party, not in the reformed Communist Party, which provides the Italian Democrats with their organizational base. That sounds pretty pragmatic, too.

    To all rules there are exceptions, of course. The hot new political property in France is Olivier Besancenot, whose party carries an unambiguous name: The New Anti-Capitalist Party. In Germany, the trends are utterly confusing. Some voters are protesting the status quo by moving left while others do so by moving toward the staunchly pro-capitalist Free Democratic Party.

    In short: The dissonance at this week's Group of 20 meeting in London will arise from the death of one system of ideas even as another struggles to be born. The new ideas won't be of the old capitalist variety, but they won't be the old socialist notions, either.

  

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Everything from newspapers

Everything from newspapers to entire economic systems are under assault, simply dying - or at the very least - going through a profound, once -in-a-century transformation. We're in the scariest moment most of us have ever lived through in our lifetime because the rug has been pulled out from beneath us, and we're all in a suspended state waiting to see what "ground" we ultimately land on. All balls are in the air right now. It'll take another 2 to 5 years to settle this for the next 100.

Long ago, like Dorothy from

Long ago, like Dorothy from the land of Oz, I heard panels of people from all over the world discuss the end of capitalism and the necessity of its' internal critique. Yes, capitalism has worked, but what we are seeing is the end of a structure which needed restructuring and to convert to a new form of capitalism which does not oppress, but provides new life in new forms of capitalism. We have to believe that there are many in this nation and elsewhere who do indeed understand this critical moment and do not find it as frightening as others because they hope to change the conversion process to a new capitalism which perhaps grants workers their rights and provide new jobs for a new future. It reminds me of when a very large military airbase closed here in a small mid-west city in the 70's. . The entire community and environs depended on this base for a living. Within five years this city made use of these former resources and built huge new corporations, an airport, and now the city is thriving and renewed. This form of collocation and re-evaluation of resources, conversion to new forms of industry, technology towards sustainability and new markets takes courage. It takes nerve to change, but change we must.

None of this takes into

None of this takes into account the ecological collapse that is going to be the end of growth. Capitalists, Socialists, Communists, none of them understand that we are going to have to figure out how to smartly shrink the economy to achieve lasting prosperity and therefore all of their proposals are doomed to failure

There is a tendency to hang

There is a tendency to hang a label on everything. For instant "Capitalism". The bankers and hedge fund operators that got us were we are today, are not capitalists, they are irresponsible crooks. So let us name the system the Irresponsible Crook System. When the government has to interfere, that is not Socialism but government interference to help solve the problem caused by the irresponsible crooks. You dont solve the problems by ridgit ideology of any kind.

Otto Schiff above has it

Otto Schiff above has it right - capitalism is not the problem. It's the Irresponsible Crook System put in place by Thatcher and Reagan and continued so blithely by the recent Repugnican administration.. To name it right is to understand where we are at. The Crooks need to be . . . well, I'd better not say it . . . so that the rest of us can get on with a life worth living for all of us.

The well-taken points of

The well-taken points of E.J.'s essay need elaboration, because they do not touch on the ways that the self-regarding consciousness - the 'habits of the heart' of economic thinking - so necessary for the so-called "marketplace economy", pervades, even penetrates, other so-called "non-economic"elements of our civilization such as Education, Art, Language and Religion. It has taught generations of Americans to think of their governments as antagonists even while using them to further its own nefarious ends. It matters a great deal that this is called "Capitalism", because that term elevates this way of looking at the world and acting in it,to the status of a seemingly rational and coherent arrangement and fulfills the need for a persuasive term with which to cloak those ways of acting in one's own short-term power interests. So,I believe that our multiple crises are not about Capitalism, but about the self-regarding, community-denying manipulative consciousness that underpins that way of being and thinking.

"For at least another

"For at least another hundred years we must pretend to ourselves and to every one that fair is foul and foul is fair; for foul is useful and fair is not. Avarice and usury and precaution must be our gods for a little longer still." "Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone." --John Maynard Keynes (both)

The problem is not

The problem is not capitalism. The problem is the absence of control, i.e., laissez faire. What's so scary about control? Lack of control is the real scare. Should we bring up kids without controls? Would the free-market boys fly in airplanes without controls? Do they play golf without rules? What makes them fall and finagle for the insanity of a "free-market" economy? How many times do we have to go through their devastation before we develop and impose controls on the market? And leave them in force!!! The mullarkey preached by Reagan was no better than the come-hithers of Madoff, all variants on Pnnzi.

Mr. Dionne, the emergence of

Mr. Dionne, the emergence of imaginal cells of a caterpillar-turning-butterfly in a cocoon serve exactly as "the dissonance... [arising] from the death of one system of ideas even as another struggles to be born." Looking up and understanding this struggle the imaginal cells face before the whole organism converts to the butterfly will help us get through this in top form and consciousness.

A world where everybody

A world where everybody follows the rules will never be possible. Conversely, a world without rules is just as impossible. Rules need to be established that are measurable and can hold people accountable for their actions. We have little to no rules like this as of now. The rules need to be put in place then enforced. Simple as that. Only criminals would have a problem with this.

Astrologers say it's just

Astrologers say it's just the death throws of the Piscean Age. I don't know, but it looks like some people just aren't capable of giving up power. So we have chaos. Exploitation of the Earth seems like bad business these days. But we know no other way.

Capitalism hasn't been

Capitalism hasn't been working too badly in some European countries because of adequate controls on it and not being afraid to literally "tax the hell" out of the rich. Capitalism has mostly worked in the US until we let health care go and dropped our safety nets for most Americans. Capitalism with a good mix of socialism seems to work the best. That means universal health care for every person (not citizen) on US soil. That's not so complicated.

None of the major players or

None of the major players or commentators, that I've been able to see, is attending to the essential fallacy underlying (to date) the whole world economy: the fallacy of endless "growth." This fallacious tenet leads to the inevitable destruction of the planet, and all life on it, just as a cancer inevitably leads to death of the host. Whatever it is labeled, the idea of endless exploitation of people and environmental resources, plants, animals and minerals, is simply not sustainable -- nor is it in any sense moral. Instead of constantly seeking some magical growth, our thinking should be directed toward seeking an economic model predicated on sustainability and equitable distribution of benefits. In short, we should be seeking an economic system that SERVES and PRESERVES people and the planet, which will require a return to (or acquisition of) the values of "balance" and "self-restraint" and "community" and "caring regard" for our fellow inhabitants of this orb hurtling through space -- plant, animal & mineral. While desirable, I have sincere doubts it'll ever happen, but I'm just cynical.

Bob Walters' description of

Bob Walters' description of capitalism's promise of "endless growth" (like Madoff's), meaning the "endless exploitation of people and...resources," is impossible in our finite world, as well as immoral. Caring and sharing in an economic system that "serves and preserves" makes real sense, especially since the absence of war, crime, poverty, et al would give every citizen the promised "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" that would make them truly secure. Speed that day!