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Panetta's Defense of CIA Interrogators Undercut by New DoJ Disclosures

by: Jason Leopold, t r u t h o u t | Report

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CIA Director Leon Panetta. (Photo: AP)

    CIA Director Leon Panetta has consistently stated over the past several months that agency interrogators who participated in the Bush administration's sadistic torture practices should not be subject to "any investigation, let alone prosecution," because they were following legal advice provided by the Justice Department.

    In March, Panetta said he agreed to cooperate with a Senate Intelligence Committee "review" and "study" on CIA interrogation methods on the condition that he received assurances from committee Chair Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California) and Republican Co-Chair Kit Bond (R-Missouri) that they would not attempt to "punish those who followed guidance from the Department of Justice."

    "That is only fair," Panetta said. "Their goal is to draw lessons for future policy decisions" and [they] won't seek to punish those who participated in the program.

    On Thursday, in announcing the closure of the "black site" prisons where the torture took place, Panetta said CIA "officers who act on guidance from the Department of Justice - or acted on such guidance previously - should not be investigated, let alone punished. This is what fairness and wisdom require."

    However, Panetta's defense was dealt a serious blow last week when the Justice Department revealed in a letter sent to a federal court judge that 92 interrogation videotapes the CIA destroyed were made between April and December 2002.

    The Justice Department's legal opinion authorizing the CIA to use specific interrogation methods, including the near-drowning technique known as waterboarding, was not issued until August 1, 2002.

    Lev Dassin, acting US attorney for the Southern District of New York, said in his letter Thursday that the CIA will provide the American Civil Liberties Union with information related to the harsh interrogations depicted on the videotapes. The ACLU is suing the agency over its destruction of the tapes. But the information the Justice Department turns over about the videotapes will be limited to August 2002, the month the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel authorized the CIA to use the methods.

    "The Government will produce Vaughn-like entries for the contemporaneous records that described the interrogations at issue (hereinafter interrogation records) for the month of August 2002 (approximately 65 documents)," Dassin's letter says. In Freedom of Information Act cases, a Vaughn index is a list of documents withheld by the government.

    "August 2002 was the month during which Abu Zubaydah was subjected to the most intensive interrogations," Dassin wrote. In previous court filings, the CIA said 12 videotapes that the agency destroyed showed Zubaydah and another detainee being tortured.

    Dassin's letter prompted ACLU lawyers to express concern over why the government offered no promises regarding the preceding months. Amrit Singh, an ACLU staff attorney, said the government's "motivations in confining its [latest] response to the month of August are highly suspect.

    "It seems like the letter provides no explanation for why records for other months should not be included in the government's work plan," Singh said in an interview.

    It is widely believed that the videotapes were destroyed to cover up illegal acts. It is also believed that the tapes were destroyed because Democratic members of Congress who were briefed about the tapes began asking questions about whether the interrogations were illegal, according to Jane Mayer, author of the book, "The Dark Side" and a reporter for The New Yorker magazine.

    "Further rattling the CIA was a request in May 2005 from Sen. Jay Rockefeller, ranking Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, to see over a hundred documents referred to in the earlier Inspector General's report on detention inside the black prison sites," Mayer wrote in her book. "Among the items Rockefeller specifically sought was a legal analysis of the CIA's interrogation videotapes.

    "Rockefeller wanted to know if the intelligence agency's top lawyer believed that the waterboarding of [alleged al-Qaeda operative Abu] Zubayda and [alleged 9/11 mastermind] Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, as captured on the secret videotapes, was entirely legal. The CIA refused to provide the requested documents to Rockefeller.

    "But the Democratic senator's mention of the videotapes undoubtedly sent a shiver through the Agency, as did a second request he made for these documents to [former CIA Director Porter] Goss in September 2005."

    The likelihood that Zubaydah was tortured before the Justice Department issued its infamous "torture memo" on August 1, 2002, would appear to undercut Panettta's rationale for defending CIA interrogators.

    Assertions that the Justice Department issued a legal memo authorizing torture before CIA interrogators employed the methods has long been disputed by members of Congress and in numerous books and publicly released documents.

    Last year, a Justice Department Inspector General report was released about the FBI's role in harsh interrogations. The report, prepared by Inspector General Glenn Fine, said two FBI agents, identified by the pseudonyms "Thomas" and "Gibson," interviewed Zubaydah shortly after he was captured in March 2002. One of the agents even tended to Zubaydah's gunshot wounds.

    The FBI claimed, according to Fine's report, that Zubaydah had provided valuable intelligence via "rapport building" interviews. However, within a few days CIA interrogators intervened. They claimed Zubaydah had been "only providing 'throw-away information'" and adopted more aggressive tactics.

    When one of the FBI agents complained to the CIA interrogators about the brutal tactics, he was told the techniques were approved "at the highest levels" of government. "Thomas" refused to participate and protested to senior FBI officials about techniques the CIA used against Zubaydah.

    According to Fine's report, "Thomas" did not see Zubaydah being waterboarded but witnessed other methods being used against him during May 2002 that he said were "borderline torture."

    Agent "Thomas's" complaints to the FBI eventually led Pasquale D'Amuro, the FBI's assistant director for counterterrorism, to remove the agents from the interrogations, according to Fine's report. D'Amuro told Fine that he brought the agents' complaints to FBI Director Robert Mueller and "stated that his exact words to Mueller were 'we don't do that' and that someday the FBI would be called to testify and he wanted to be able to say that the FBI did not participate in this type of activity."

    According to Fine's report, John Rizzo, the CIA's acting general counsel, refused to allow investigators from the Office of Inspector General to question Zubaydah in January 2007. Fine said Rizzo's refusal to allow investigators access to Zubaydah was "unwarranted" and "hampered" the probe.

    Fine said Rizzo told the Inspector General's Office that he refused the request because Zubaydah "could make false allegations against CIA employees."

    At the time of Fine's request, the International Committee of the Red Cross had obtained access to Zubaydah and 13 other "high-value" detainees and concluded that their treatment "constituted torture." The ICRC sent its report to Rizzo on February 14, 2007.

    However, neither the ICRC's report nor Fine's include specific dates about the "enhanced" techniques used against Zubaydah.

    According to Fine's report, "Gibson" said he "remained at the CIA facility until some time in early June 2002, several weeks after 'Thomas' left, and that he continued to work with the CIA and participate in interviewing Zubaydah."

    When he returned to the FBI headquarters in June 2002 to meet with officials about Zubaydah "Gibson" said he had no "moral objection" to the techniques being used against Zubaydah because they were "comparable" to the "harsh interrogation" techniques he "himself had undergone ... as part of the US Army Survival, Evasion, Resistance, and Escape (SERE) training."

    SERE was meant to prepare US soldiers for abuse they might suffer if captured by an outlaw regime. But it was reverse engineered by psychologists working for the military and CIA and used against detainees during interrogations. SERE training techniques included stress positions, forced nudity, use of fear, sleep deprivation and waterboarding.

    Zubaydah told the ICRC that CIA interrogators said he was their first subject, "so no rules applied. It felt like they were experimenting and trying out techniques to be used later on other people." Zuhbaydah said he was repeatedly smashed against a wall, placed inside a black wooden box, and was waterboarded, a technique that creates the panicked reflex of drowning.

    Rizzo also has been questioned about his role in the videotape destruction by John Durham, who was appointed special prosecutor last year by Attorney General Michael Mukasey to probe whether the destruction of the tapes constituted a crime.

    Last week, Durham questioned the CIA's former number three official, Kyle "Dusty" Foggo, about the destruction of the tapes. Foggo, who was sentenced to three years in prison for fraud for steering lucrative contracts to a friend, was due to report to federal prison last week, but Durham asked for a delay so he could question him about the tape destruction.

    Singh, the ACLU attorney, said Friday she could not speculate whether videotapes made prior to August 2002 might have depicted "enhanced" methods such as waterboarding. Those techniques were cleared for use by an August 1, 2002, legal opinion that narrowly defined torture, thus enabling the Bush administration to claim that its harsh tactics didn't qualify as torture.

    But one document that could shed further light on when Zubaydah's torture took place is a classified May 2004 CIA inspector general's report on the agency's interrogation methods. According to published reports, CIA Inspector General John Helgerson "raised concern about whether the use of the techniques could expose agency officers to legal liability." Helgerson also viewed the interrogation tapes the CIA destroyed.

    "The report expressed skepticism about the Bush administration view that any ban on cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment under the treaty does not apply to CIA interrogations because they take place overseas on people who are not citizens of the United States," The New York Times reported on November 9, 2005.

    One person who assisted Helgerson with his probe was Mary O. McCarthy, who alleged CIA officials lied to members of Congress during an intelligence briefing when they said the agency did not violate treaties that bar, cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment of detainees during interrogations, according to a May 14, 2006, front-page story in The Washington Post.

    "A CIA employee of two decades, McCarthy became convinced that 'CIA people had lied' in that briefing, as one of her friends said later, not only because the agency had conducted abusive interrogations but also because its policies authorized treatment that she considered cruel, inhumane or degrading," The Washington Post reported.

    McCarthy "worried that neither Helgerson nor the agency's Congressional overseers would fully examine what happened or why." Another friend said, "She had the impression that this stuff has been pretty well buried." The Post story reported, "In McCarthy's view and that of many colleagues, friends say, torture was not only wrong but also misguided, because it rarely produced useful results."

    In April 2006, 10 days before she was due to retire, McCarthy was fired from the CIA for allegedly leaking classified information to the media, a CIA spokeswoman told reporters at the time.

    In her book, "The Dark Side," Mayer wrote that the "2004 Inspector General's report, known as a 'special review,' was tens of thousands of pages long and as thick as two Manhattan phone books. It contained information, according to one source, that was simply 'sickening.'" The behavior it described, another knowledgeable source said, raised concerns not just about the detainees but also about the Americans who had inflicted the abuse, one of whom seemed to have become frighteningly dehumanized. The source said, "You couldn't read the documents without wondering, 'Why didn't someone say, "Stop!'""

    According to Mayer, Vice President Dick Cheney stopped Helgerson from fully completing his investigation. That proves, Mayer contends, that as early as 2004 "the Vice President's office was fully aware that there were allegations of serious wrongdoing in The [interrogation] Program."

    "Helgerson was summoned repeatedly to meet privately with Vice President Cheney" before his investigation was "stopped in its tracks." Mayer said that Cheney's interaction with Helgerson was "highly unusual."

    Before leaving office, Vice President Cheney said he approved waterboarding on at least three "high value" detainees and the "enhanced interrogation" of 33 other prisoners.

    Cheney identified the three waterboarded detainees as al-Qaeda figures Abu Zubaydah, al Nashiri and Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the 9/11 attacks. "That's it, those three guys," Cheney said in an interview with the right-wing Washington Times last December.

    President Bush made a somewhat vaguer acknowledgment of authorizing these techniques. Both said the methods were authorized by Justice Department legal opinions.

    Still, it's unlikely Panetta will change his stance given the new evidence that torture likely took place before the DoJ's legal authorization.

    According to veteran CIA analyst Melvin Goodman, Panetta has become entrenched in CIA bureaucracy.

    "It is obvious Panetta wants to make no waves at the CIA," Goodman said.

    "It is extremely difficult for any outsider to make his mark within a bureaucracy as parochial and insular as the one at CIA," said Goodman, who spent more than two decades at the agency. "Panetta, unfortunately, has tried to ingratiate himself with the negative elements. Panetta's first mistake was to keep in place all of the holdovers from the era of George Tenet and Porter Goss, who were responsible for the culture of cover-up created at the CIA."

    "In keeping Steven Kappes as the deputy director, Panetta signaled that there would be no change at the Agency and no punishment for corruption," Goodman added. "Kappes, after all, was the ideological driver for those policies that Obama and Panetta criticized before Panetta's confirmation. Instead of reaching out to contrarians or dissidents from the intelligence community, Panetta has relied solely on the leadership he inherited, the very people who have a vested interest in making sure that nothing changes."

    Panetta's about-face stands in stark contrast to statements he made in a series of op-eds in the Monterey County Herald and other publications last year. In a March 8, 2008, column titled, "Americans Reject Fear Tactics," Panetta wrote that "all forms of torture have long been prohibited by American law and international treaties respected by Republican and Democratic presidents alike."

    "Our forefathers prohibited 'cruel and unusual punishment' because that was how tyrants and despots ruled in the 1700's. They wanted an America that was better than that. Torture is illegal, immoral, dangerous and counterproductive. And yet, the president is using fear to trump the law."

    While stopping short of demanding investigations and prosecutions, Panetta certainly made it clear that Bush was acting above the law.

    In a column published in the Washington Monthly last summer titled "No Torture, No Exceptions," Panetta wrote that "there are certain lines Americans will not cross because we respect the dignity of every human being. That pledge was written into the oath of office given to every president, 'to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution.' It's what is supposed to make our leaders different from every tyrant, dictator, or despot. We are sworn to govern by the rule of law, not by brute force."

  

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Jason Leopold is the Deputy Managing Editor at Truthout. He is the author of the Los Angeles Times bestseller, News Junkie, a memoir. Visit www.newsjunkiebook.com for a preview.

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If Panetta obstructs, it's

If Panetta obstructs, it's one more crime on the list of alleged crimes, as the information piles up in more detail. It is important to note that the writers, and the quoted Melvin Goodman have credibility. Jason Leopold has been "all over this", as have the lawyers:ACLU, Center for Constitutional Rights, Marjorie Cohn and the National Lawyers Guild and the journalists covering the torture. Philippe Sands was told in Europe, that if the US doesn't investigate/prosecute, that countries in Europe will...and Spain has begun. No place for them to hide. I hope the US will take care of its Constitution and the criminals from the top on down. Bad legal advice is no "cover" as the Nuremburg trials provide precedence.

Panetta is going to bite the

Panetta is going to bite the dust. Good! He never intended to change anything, just to sugar coat it with dubious techniques. The truth of the matter is that anyone that takes that post from now on will bite the dust and go down in history as another lying killer. It's not the Directors - the fact is that the CIA has to be shut down just as Guantanamo and for one million times the reasons. We have allowed a sick mentality to run amuck all over the world for half a century and it may be responsible for millions of innocent deaths. Let's stop it now while we still can because it WILL come back and bite us all if we don't... Look at history, it really will!!!

Ho-hum...........The show

Ho-hum...........The show goes on in the new Obama "administration." No one is facing any real investigations, let alone indictment or punishment or even a reprimand. All this squabbling about the obviously appalling torture conducted by the former administration, pales into insignificance when you continue to see, 8 years after the event, a complete brush-off of the 9/11 crimes committed by high level government figures and their operatives. If we, as a people, cannot or will not acknowledge the reality of the 9/11 "attacks," and arrest the real perpetrators of this seminal event, then we will simply continue our descent into fascism and social disintegration as we wage mindless wars against an enemy that really does not exist.

"Only following orders,"

"Only following orders," huh? Daschle, Panetta, I used to think these were good, sincere people, but they are just political hacks, tools, users, subterfugers, liars. Torture is stupid sadistic sickness which gets no good information except in fiction. Following inhumane orders is no excuse. I guess it is impossible to do anything, the spooks admit nothing, are sorry for nothing, really could care less of anything but protecting themselves. Just more manure from the Bush jerks, more permanent scars. Who could trust people who did that sick stuff when told to. Nazis were put to death. We jailed Noriega on things not even as sick. Hell we killed Saddam for things done with WMDs that we supplied the supplies, knowledge, training, aide for. He couldn't use only following orders as an excuse. Sad.

Patience gains all things -

Patience gains all things -

The shadow government

The shadow government continues to run the show and intimidate the new guys in town. They get their orientation and fold like a cheap suit as soon as they get to be figure heads in the gov. So very little has changed since the Administration of Change We Can Believe road into town. And very little will it seems. No accountability. No way Jose.

Bankrupt War Criminals

Bankrupt War Criminals always make this excuse. We know that crimes were committed now let's train our sights on those who seek to hide or protect the criminals and that includes congressional cover-up artists. The "don't look back" gang never wants to remember the murders they try to hide.

Very well researched and

Very well researched and constructed piece. Thank you.

The CIA is part of the

The CIA is part of the executive branch. It is not a rogue organization, but works for and at the pleasure of the President. The merry-go-round of legality ought not obscure the fact that crimes, even if they were "legalized", were committed, and nonetheless illegitimate. Remember, everything that Hitler did was legal, too, and couched in the same justifications. There's not one aggressor in history which did not say they were acting to defend and protect some high principle while engaged in ruthlessness and depravity. Things would look much different if it truly was that the law was based on decency and honor, instead of the cleverness of argument, and that no man was above it. This is what capitalism does to principle: it makes it a commodity, for sale to those who can afford it. Cobwebs for the rich and well-connected, chains of steel for the rest.

The problem is if you

The problem is if you prosecute one, high or low, you will have to prosecute all of them. Demjanjuk presently being extradited to Germany was a lowly prison guard. Torture is a crime so off the charts that it encompasses all that are involved. Its prosecution cannot be confined to just those at the top or just those at the bottom. It's like blood poisoning. It spreads everywhere. You can't prosecute one who "was only following orders" when the orders given were illegal, without prosecuting those who issued said orders & the reverse is also true.. If one goes they all go. Can't go after Cheney/Bush without implicating the entire bipartisan cabal. Aiding & abetting is also a crime. Are you listening Pelosi & Feinstein? Can't get the hit-man & ignore the godfather or the reverse. On the positive side, torture & war crimes would be sufficient cause to purge the whole phony 2-party structure. Full scale prosecutions would be a political revolution & therefore will not occur unless a full scale actual revolution happens first. Where is our Oliver Cromwell or Maximilian Robespierre when we really need him?

"officers who act on

"officers who act on guidance from the Department of Justice - or acted on such guidance previously - should not be investigated, let alone punished. This is what fairness and wisdom require." Darn...I guess we screwed up at Nuremburg. We should have let those nice clean-cut Germans go. They were just being good soldiers when they marched men, women, and children into the concentration camps and then into the gas chambers. They were just cleansing Germany! How could they have known it wasn't a nice thing to do? They would have had to think for themselves. They would have had to be courageous. Unthinkable.

Lt Wm Calley was just

Lt Wm Calley was just following orders Scooter libby, just following orders Ollie North, following orders... All convicted

"Just following

"Just following orders"..."national security"... Disgusting. It would be nice to see the complete 2004 Inspector General's report. Maybe someone could leak it. This is one more article that proves what a sick and dangerous culture the CIA is. If there is ever a coup in the US these creeps will be part of it.

Weren't the Nazis following

Weren't the Nazis following orders? Why did the world prosecute them and still hunt those involved. This argument (following orders) is pure horse manure.... All those involved must be prosecuted and brought to justice... TAKE A POLL AND THEN DECIDE TO CARRY THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

Clearly nothing of substance

Clearly nothing of substance has changed with the Obama administration continuing with the practices of the Bush administration, and torture of prisoners actually getting worse with the changing of the guard. Actually just a changing of the old guard with a new old guard. The same neo-con thinking continues to prevail. Consider if the American government had allowed the German's to surrender but left the Nazi party members to form a new government without Hitler but otherwise much the same. That is what we now have in Washington.

Unfortunately, this is an

Unfortunately, this is an excellent article. I say unfortunately because it is truly sickening. Although I could understand it (although I would still vehemently disagree) if the people Panetta was protecting were irreplaceable; but these jerks have not exactly covered themselves in glory. Not only are these top CIA officials corrupt and immoral, they have proven time and again to be incompetent. It's time for a new Church Commission and a thorough housecleaning, but I agree with the many others here that it looks like Obama wants to sweep it all under the rug. When you consider the administration's position on wiretap lawsuits, it is time to start speaking up and protesting.

The DOJ and FBI will become

The DOJ and FBI will become functional again in time. Most of their agents are law abiding. They had rotted from the top, not the bottom. The CIA may be another matter. Anyway, in a couple of years there will be no place left on earth for the bush gang's criminals to hide.

The best research I have

The best research I have ever seen on the demonic CIA is still being carried out by William Blum. He documents millions of innocent deaths that this group of psychopathic killers is directly responsible for and he does not even go into all of the magnicides, like JFK and probably his brother. As long as we, as a nation, are willing to allow this greatest of evils to exist, we will be guilty of their crimes also. Come on, folks! Let's shut this hell down!!!

This is so full of spin

This is so full of spin doctoring I almost fell out of my chair reading it. The justice department is not in charge of the executive branch, at least I hope not. Bush said he didn't know the boat people who stood against Mr. Kerry. Well, no one else does either since they were not documented. I can't even remember the long list of denials from his mouth. He was the commander and he is responsible, didn't his daddy teach him that? And what of the fact that the 'war' was already planned before he snuck into the oval office? Yeah, we definitely need a citizens review board of the federal government. Why in the world do we expect these bloated brats to investigate themselves?

Even if we were willing to

Even if we were willing to accept the "I was only following orders" defense, I don't believe it would apply to torture, since EVERYBODY knows that torture is illegal, not to mention wrong. Anyone told that torture is okay should know that such advice misstates the law, and disregard it.

The eventual prosecution of

The eventual prosecution of torturers should not be left to the administrations alone and it is up to us to produce the the pressure and the alternate avenues to punish those who perpetrated torture. It is silly however to cannibalize President Obama for being pragmatic. Its easy to demand all of our policy preferances and then spew venom when we don't get our way. While these issues are important many of the comments have a distinct right wing/Rush Limbaugh tone. President Obama Is miles away from the previous administration, and while he may not satisfy our every policy choice we should have some confidence that he will make good decisions. Does anyone really think that it would be clever to go after the CIA without more a public outcry. Lets Build more momentum and pursue all angles and then maybe there will be justice. But please set aside all the demagoguery. its embarrassing. I thought i accidentaly went on Glenn Becks website.

"Lets Build more momentum

"Lets Build more momentum and pursue all angles and then maybe there will be justice. But please set aside all the demagoguery. its embarrassing. I thought i accidentaly went on Glenn Becks website." This is the kind of appeasement and backsliding that erodes our law. If the law was indeed broken, why should the lawbreakers not be charged? If charged in a court of law with a judge and attorneys, they would have the right to defend themselves. maybe there was something in their actions that excuses their violation of the law. But you would have them skirt that process in the name of what? Using your logic, we would still be waiting for Nazi war criminals and Japanese war criminals to be prosecuted.Of course they would have an excuse. There are documented cases of the U.S. prosecuting as war criminals, Japanese military for using "waterboarding" on American prisoners. Of course you would give them a pass. this is not Glenn Beck's websit, but apparently you are a frequent visitor. Learn the basics of law before you post such drivel.

...A while back (whenMr.

...A while back (whenMr. Panetta was named).. wrote a memo to Truthout which was not published...warning of the objectivity of this man...now see I was somewhat on the right track...all these old horses are coming back to eventually haunt OB...Once again be xtra carefull of the Washington preponderance to ascribe to business as usual. Please for country's sake, and it's people, Rid us of these reasonable sounding guys ...who in the end are on the same agenda as the Bush types..Even as democrats Paul M.

Sad that Leon Panetta has

Sad that Leon Panetta has gone from defending a Democratic President's sexual appetites to defending a Republican President whose fear and contempt for the little people makes torture an approved instrument of government policy. What is a bit odd is that there is greater outrage at protecting the CIA torturers than at the perpetrators of an endless war on terrorism and the invasion, occupation, and ongoing killing of civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.

"Lets Build more

"Lets Build more momentum" The response misses the point. I am saying that the "momentum" is public outcry and to pursue justice by any legal means. I just think that attacking Obama with venomous rhetoric "throws the baby out with the bath water." I want to convince Obama to prosecute the torturures not to have tantrums and call him names. If Obama cannot be convinced then public demonstration, petitions, using congress are all means to be employed. We cannot depend o Obama alone,We have to succeed in this, our future is at stake. The mean spiritedness of your response however does illustrate my point. You tone matches that of Glen Beck

"When one of the FBI agents

"When one of the FBI agents complained to the CIA interrogators about the brutal tactics, he was told the techniques were approved "at the highest levels" of government. "Thomas" refused to participate and protested to senior FBI officials about techniques the CIA used against Zubaydah."........ ONE ethical agent? Probably demoted to some place holder job in Moab, Utah. The torturers will not be prosecuted, sez the President. Nice.