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US Future Depends on Torture Accountability

by: Keith Olbermann  |  MSNBC Countdown

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A guard wearing a protective face shield inside "Camp Five" detention center at the US military prison facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. (Photo: Reuters Pictures)

    Olbermann: We cannot let mistakes of the past haunt our future.

    As promised, a Special Comment now on the president's revelation of the remainder of this nightmare of Bush Administration torture memos. This President has gone where few before him, dared. The dirty laundry - illegal, un-American, self-defeating, self-destroying - is out for all to see.

    Mr. Obama deserves our praise and our thanks for that. And yet he has gone but half-way. And, in this case, in far too many respects, half the distance is worse than standing still. Today, Mr. President, in acknowledging these science-fiction-like documents, you said that:

    "This is a time for reflection, not retribution. I respect the strong views and emotions that these issues evoke."

    "We have been through a dark and painful chapter in our history.

    "But at a time of great challenges and disturbing disunity, nothing will be gained by spending our time and energy laying blame for the past.

    Mr. President, you are wrong. What you describe would be not "spent energy" but catharsis.

    Not "blame laid," but responsibility ascribed. You continued:

    "Our national greatness is embedded in America's ability to right its course in concert with our core values, and to move forward with confidence. That is why we must resist the forces that divide us, and instead come together on behalf of our common future."

    Indeed we must, Mr. President. And the forces of which you speak are the ones lingering - with pervasive stench - from the previous administration. Far more than a criminal stench, Sir. An immoral one. One we cannot let be re-created.

    One, President Obama, it is your responsibility to make sure cannot be re-created. Forgive me for quoting from a Comment I offered the night before the inauguration. But this goes to the core of the President's commendable, but wholly naive, intention. This country has never "moved forward with confidence".without first cleansing itself of its mistaken past.

    In point of fact, every effort to merely draw a line in the sand and declare the past dead has served only to keep the past alive and often to strengthen it. We "moved forward" with slavery in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. And four score and nine years later, we had buried 600,000 of our sons and brothers, in a Civil War.

    After that war's ending, we "moved forward" without the social restructuring - and protection of the rights of minorities - in the south. And a century later, we had not only not resolved anything, but black leaders were still being assassinated in our southern cities.

    We "moved forward" with Germany in the reconstruction of Europe after the First World War.

    Nobody even arrested the German Kaiser, let alone conducted war crimes trials then. And 19 years later, there was an indescribably more evil Germany and a more heart-rending Second World War.

    We "moved forward" with the trusts of the early 1900s. And today, we are at the mercy of corporations too big to fail. We "moved forward" with the Palmer Raids and got McCarthyism.

    And we "moved forward" with McCarthyism and got Watergate. We "moved forward" with Watergate and junior members of the Ford administration realized how little was ultimately at risk.

    They grew up to be Paul Wolfowitz and Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney. But, Mr. President, when you say we must "come together on behalf of our common future" you are entirely correct. We must focus on getting things right in the future, as opposed to looking at what we got wrong in the past.

    That means prosecuting all those involved in the Bush administration's torture of prisoners, even if the results are nominal punishments, or merely new laws. Your only other option is to let this set and fester indefinitely. Because, Sir, some day there will be another Republican president, or even a Democrat just as blind as Mr. Bush to ethics and this country's moral force. And he will look back to what you did about Mr. Bush. Or what you did not do.

    And he will see precedent. Or as Cheney saw, he will see how not to get caught next time. Prosecute, Mr. President. Even if you get not one conviction, you will still have accomplished good for generations unborn. Merely by acting, you will deny a further wrong - that this construction will enter the history books: Torture was legal. It worked. It saved the country.

    The end. This must not be. "It is our intention," you said today, "to assure those who carried out their duties relying in good faith upon legal advice from the Department of Justice that they will not be subject to prosecution." Mr. President, you are making history's easiest, most often made, most dangerous mistake - you are accepting the defense that somebody was "just following orders." At the end of his first year in office, Mr. Lincoln tried to contextualize the Civil War for those who still wanted to compromise with evils of secession and slavery. "The struggle of today," Lincoln wrote, "is not altogether for today. It is for a vast future also."

    Mr. president, you have now been handed the beginning of that future. Use it to protect our children and our distant descendants from anything like this ever happening again - by showing them that those who did this, were neither unfairly scapegoated nor absolved. It is good to say "we won't do it again." It is not, however...enough.

  

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Bravo again, Mr. Olberman!

Bravo again, Mr. Olberman! Vietnam was a mistake, a horror, that resulted in incredible amounts of destruction, death, disability and on and on. We never learned from Vietnam, it was never absorbed by the country as a cataclysmic mistake. We never understood the consequences of our actions. Therefore Iraq.

Keith and Rachel are the

Keith and Rachel are the only decent things on corporatized TV. There are thousands of people already damning Obama as a more civilized version of Bush and they may be exaggerating but his position on the torture memos has done nothing to calm these avid and scared fascism sentinels. He will get another chance to redeem himself as soon as Latin Americans begin charging the same CIA with torture, genocide and crimes against humanity. At that point, he had better come clean and send the bastards to jail lest we all move against him. Americans have to come to terms with the fact that the CIA (and the cabal-like private infra-humans surrounding it) has to be shut down in order to change our guilt-ridden memory and thus our destiny.

Well put Mr Olberman! If

Well put Mr Olberman! If President Obama does not let those responsible be held accountable, he is opening up a Pandora's box for the future. Others will see that Torture can be used and those responsible will not be prosecuted. It sets a bad example for Democracy, for the USA and for the world. It shames the laws of the United States and the free world. It showe other nations that torture laws and conventions have no meaning... at least in the USA and certain other countries, Peru and Argentina held their executives and those miliary personnel responsible accountable for their actions. Yet the USA will NOT hold their people accountable? It is shameful and the USA will lose the respect of the free world.

Heck, it's protect ourselves

Heck, it's protect ourselves and the near as well as the distant future, for our children and those after us. Where's the proof it has stopped? I would like one set of laws for ALL, equally enforced, from the TOP ON DOWN. I like Mr. Olberman's comment, and appreciate it in text. (I do not do tv.) He could go further; maybe in his next commentaries, he'll finish the point. What does it say to all of us, if some people can break the law and the President says, "well, never mind" (to paraphrase Emily Latella, since we're using tv folks:she was Gilda Radner's character on SNLive)? We know the law is tilted in enforcement (drug enforcement, for example). Torture by the US. Note:Chalmers Johnson points out in "Nemesis" and "Sorrows of Empire" that the President's own army is the CIA.

K.O. is absolutely right. If

K.O. is absolutely right. If there are no serious investigations and prosecutions, if we give the criminals who operated with impunity in the Bush years a free pass, it will only open the door for future unscrupulous administrations (of which there will undoubtedly be some) to try the same things... or worse! We cannot uphold the Constitution by not bringing to justice those who abused their positions of power by trying to destroy it!

Thank you Mr. Olbermann once

Thank you Mr. Olbermann once again for saying what must be said if we are going to call ourselves civilized. I was a strong supporter of President Obama but recently, while still better than the alternative, I have become quite disappointed by this legal scholar being unwilling to act on principle which is required by his oath of office. Is he protecting the Office of the President over the needs of the Country? Can this, "Move Ahead" argument be used to absolve a murderer by saying that the deed is in the past; I won't do it again so there is no benefit in wasting time on this issue as the person is dead and can't come back anyway President Obama, if you see this please be aware that you are cheating this Country o0f it's laws and the only protection against this horror happening again. You would not be so lenient with a WWII Germany or Japan, a Milosevic or other cheap dictator, so why this one?

It seems to me that to not

It seems to me that to not prosecute the inventors, legitimizers and perpetrators of illegal and universally condemned torture acts is to make a mockery of the Nuremberg trials and all the international law that proceeds from it. Why did those Nazi generals and ministers hang?

Again Mr Olberman, you have

Again Mr Olberman, you have you have focused on what matters. From day one, I have thought for America to be held in high esteem in the world we need to put the spotlight on torture and admit we have done terrible things. Learn from our mistake and humbly apologize to humankind. The perpetrators need to be identified, and held accountable. Each week that goes by just prolongs the pain for all. President Obama, you must address the fact that America has tortured and the inaction shows no change of policy.

Until we end corporate

Until we end corporate personhood and restore fairness to the election process by eliminating corporate cash, we aren't done with Vietnams or Iraqs. This country runs on expansion. Wall Street holds our purse strings, and Wall Street thrives on globalism. Wall Street does, not you and me. The right loves to chide any such sentiment as fomenting "class warfare." But it has been class warfare from the beginning. When wealth accrues all the power, this is what you get: Vietnam, Iraq, secret rendition, torture. Thank God for Keith Olbermann, Jon Stewart, Bill Moyers, and Bill Maher.

I too say Bravo Mr

I too say Bravo Mr Olberman. And while you are at it Mr President don't forget to investigate thoroughly how Thermite got into the WTC Buildings and why they were destroyed by Demolition on 9/11. And, What damaged the Pentagon on 9/11.? Where did Flight 77 end up? And why was there no Airliner wreckage nor bodies in the crash site in Pennsylvania attributed to Flight 93 on 9/11? AND when will you shutdown the torture at Bagram.?

As always, Keith has hit the

As always, Keith has hit the nail on the head - we need not to just move forward, we need to hold accountable those who trashed our Constitution and our national morals. I find it odd that this president who has taught the principles of Constitutional law would allow to stand such practices without accountability, unless he is trying to hold this country together with prayer and bailing wire. Perhaps he is being advised that to prosecute the small fish now would cause so much dissention that it could fracture an already strained nation, so he is holding off on such prosecutions while a case is built that is irrefutable against all the leaders. We ask for instant answers and retribution, when we should perhaps be demanding balanced justice when tempers have cooled and reasoned heads can pass fair judgment. Even Olbermann notes that prosecution without conviction would be worth it, but I disagree. I believe that prosecution with accountability is imperative to hold this nation together.

Spot on, KO, except... think

Spot on, KO, except... think about it. The evidence is clear and vast, yet BO felt the need to basically, and publicly, grant immunity to all torturers and order-givers. Why? Easy - cause he got the call. "There's a line, BO. Do. Not. Cross. It. Compared to what we've done, ending you would be just another day at work. Capisci?"

Olbermann is one of the few

Olbermann is one of the few mainstream media reporters that has some courage to say his mind; even if it causes a great deal of flak towards him. I understand that Sean Hannity has called for his Countdown show to be taken off of the network. It is really sad that the Olbermanns and Maddows of the media are a small minority. Perhaps the US would be better informed and be able to make better decisions had there been a more active press.

It is absolutely vital to

It is absolutely vital to our democratic future, and our legacy, that America deals with and prosecutes the illegal transgressions of the Bush administration. This is not for retribution, but to insure that no future president of any party will think that he or she can act with impunity when trashing our Constitution and basic ethical principles. The Bush administration should be held accountable and prosecuted for ALL of their many and various crimes. That would motivate a new Democratic Renaissance in America, and a re-dedication to the precious principles of our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Dennis Kucinich, the most progressive of the Democratic candidates, but unfortunately the one given the least amount of news and TV coverage, did the research and entered into the Congressional Record a very long list of major Bush/Cheney crimes. Each should be fully investigated and prosecutions should result when the evidence is uncovered. We are capable of both moving forward in a better, more ethical way, while still discovering the full criminal behavior of the Bush cabal, exposing it, and ultimately prosecuting the guilty. It will show the world, and our own citizens, that we are truly serious about Democracy and are willing to do the real work of protecting it, rather than just talking about it. America has been badly damaged by the many illegal acts of Bush/Cheney. We need to investigate the extent of the damage, admit the wrongdoings, discover how they happened, and insure that it cannot happen again by prosecuting those responsible, especially at the top. We must prove to the world, and to our own citizens, that no one in America is above the law. If we proceed with honor and diligence, it will restore our standing as the world's true champion of democracy.

i deeply appreciate your

i deeply appreciate your commitment to our, the USA's fundamental values and honor. Ford's pardon of Nixon was his vindication to all those who profoundly misunderstand the very meaning of American democracy. democracy in the USA is not the power of politics wielded, but the honoring of everyone's integrity and decency as a human. Democracy in America is not rule of power but rule of law. Reagan, Gringrinch. Hastert, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice and their colleagues believe that holding office is an entitlement, and sufficient license for deciding, but in a democracy holding office is a vocation whereby one serves the people, without expecting compensation. a sacred vocation. our republic, our public commonwealth belongs to all of us together but it was hijacked, shanghaied, shackled and sold like Joseph into servitude, and it's time for our return to our birthright. until those who strove to kill democracy understand the gravity of their sins and its consequences. we will never find absolution, and never be at peace again with ourselves.

Did anyone else notice that

Did anyone else notice that the third graphic containing President Obama's comments look like they were copied and pasted straight from the TelePrompter? "It is our intention," you said today. "To assure..."

KO is right again but is

KO is right again but is there a big picture that we are missing. Must new Presidents protect former Presidents? Is the American greed for resources sacrosanct? Are there men, as President Wilson said, who really run America? For all its openness America has a lot of secrets.

Thank God for Keith and

Thank God for Keith and Rachel, the only 2 on TV worth listening to. I too have become disenchanted with our Pres. If he lets these miserable cretins get off after causing a pre-emptive war and killing nearly 4500 of our men and women and ruining our country financial and our world wide reputation. If Pres O thinks it would hurt his re-election just wait until people realize he is not going to make those at the top pay for their crimes. I will not vote for him and I know many others who won't either.

PrezObama '..nothing is to

PrezObama '..nothing is to be gained by spending time & energy laying blame for the past' is indeed correct at personal & national consciousness levels, obliging our judiciary to accomplish justice specifically to this end & resolve.If we indeed are a country of laws, we should gratefully seize this opportunity to prove the validity of our Constitution. The final judicial decision is not mine, ours, or PrezObama's to make. We indeed trust the view of our juries as they review the facts. There should be no fear in this. Only appreciation of this justice procedure. PrezObama is not to be concerned with this, this is not of his domain. He is not the judge &/or jury of this situation, though he does have the pardon power. He is of the executive and not of the judicial.This matter is not for him to decide: it is for the judiciary to decide. PrezObama needs to take his own advice.

Bravos are fine. But the

Bravos are fine. But the message boards should light up at the White House and in every congressional office building. Moving on is NOT the same as forgiving and forgetting. We move on when we correct and sometimes sanction, publicly accuse, and even punish where it is appropriate. Why do Bush, Cheney and the others continue to draw their pensions and protections and other perks? They have committed crimes much worse than any that have landed drug sellers and petty criminals behind bars, some for life in the three-strikes craziness. Yet, after more than three times of breaking the law, Bush and Cheney swagger around as if they were heroes. As the Prepugs are wont to bemoan, "WHAT MESSAGE ARE WE SENDING. . .?"

KO needs to check for what

KO needs to check for what is running down his leg. May be Chris Matthews is on his knees lapping it up. KO would be better suited by going back to ESPN at least there he had a audience that is better suited for his banter. To think this is today's so called journalism. Pay attention people Rome is burning

Witch hunts do not clear the

Witch hunts do not clear the supposed past sins. Are we going to try Kennedy, Johnson, FDR and Nixon for the torture of Vietnam? Mr. Oberman's contribution to the lexicon of torture does not make for a valid or conclusive argurement. Mr. Oberman is demonstrating the height of crass arrogance with his call for prosecution and reference to Hitler, WWI, and the Civil War. His child like idealism is what leads to sandboxes with teachers acting as police. His naive contribution to culture and social mores assure him a place in Orwell's 1984.

He is going to go down in

He is going to go down in flames because this punch in the eye to America of not putting the entire previous evil, criminal and genocidal administration in the pokey for a couple of dozen years, is first of all a legal pitfall and then it's playing dirty with the truth. The truths have started to emerge and suddenly the flow is once again perverted by not going after impressively evil criminals. Moreover, the President's dut,y through his Attorney General, is to bring a lot of medium sized fish who also participated in serious criminal offenses in the Bush era and thereby begin to destroy a Republican-plus-other-nasties treasonous infrastructure of death and crime that is not only festering but moving against him as we speak. If they're keeping the President from doing his job, I for one will yank them off of him but what's Holder doing?

Germany seeks to prosecute a

Germany seeks to prosecute a prison guard who's actions took place six decades ago, after even Israel couldn't convict him. Should not we prosecute those whose actions took place six years, and in fact were defended, six MONTHS ago? With much to accomplish, priorities are important. But what is more important than proving the United States of America will stand by it's basic beliefs?

Even the Spanish court

Even the Spanish court decided that they would not pursue crimes against humanity by the Bush Administration upper staff. This was announced the same week President Obama announced he would not turn over to Justice to initiate charges against CIA agents. So, what we have here is the continuation of a slippery slope of global Oligarchy. And the masses sleep.

The Nazi leadership was

The Nazi leadership was punished for war crimes by the allies. But it was America's new enemy... the USSR... who really insured that a unified militarized Germany would not rise again. And they were reluctant even 40yrs later to allow reunification. Surely the German people suffered under the USSR...and they deserved it. The Western allies never punished the German people; indeed they became allied with them against the USSR within a year after the war. The Americans have always been rather awkward about knowing who their enemies were because their policies have always been fueled by money and not justice and morality.

Great corporate

Great corporate entertainment when Keith pretends to talk to someone important and powerful (Bush, Cheney, Obama). Soon, he will be doing one of his "Enough, Mr. So&so (Obama??)" rants. To expect our new Prez to take on the CIA, the Military, the Bankers or Wall St., even elected officials guilty of crimes, would be to impute to him some guts and a spine which "Mr. Obama" has, so far, kept carefully concealed. Already, we have bloggers who will not vote for him, again. Is Mr. Obama "in charge"--YES!!!--he is "in charge" of smoothing things over for the crooks, murderers, and torturers who are really in charge.

Generally commendable

Generally commendable article, Mr. Olbermann. But one point is off: "Nobody arrested the Kaiser.." after WW1. This is because he was not a "war criminal" ; he was not any more guilty than the Allied leaders of starting and prolonging the war. In fact, he was largely pushed aside after the war started. Later: "an indescribably more evil Germany"; this implies that the country has a basic evil, an "original sin". The Allies, in fact, destabilized the political system there so much that they aided the Nazis. The US government meddled in this the same way it now does in Iraq and Afghanistan, You can see the results. Having said this, you are right that the criminals in the US need to be prosecuted from top to bottom.

Written in the best

Written in the best tradition of Ed Murrow. And it's not merely a clanging gong. Olbermann convincingly makes the case that "moving forward" is not enough. I would argue that moving forward from Iran-Contra gave us Iraq. It certainy gave us the Dutch courage of the 2000 election steal. Bravo, Keith, that's why we watch you. (Do you seriously think that Rahm Emmanuel's dad will "move forward" from the Holocaust?)

When people have asked me

When people have asked me about Obama and their belief that he signals a change in U.S. politics, I have always responded that the litmus test of whether the brings real change or not is whether he prosecutes Bush and others in his administration for war crimes and pushing the use of torture. There wasn't even any discussion of pardons, it was just done ipso facto. This tells me that Obama is only a change of face, not one of regime. I'll raise the bar again as to what I consider real change would be -- an investigation of torture at Diego Garcia, the U.S. military base in the Indian Ocean which has been considered safely away from prying eyes and vigorously denied any access to investigate claims of torture of detainees by any human rights agency such as the Red Cross,

"Lap dog" media? No

"Lap dog" media? No way! Not with Keith Olbermann, anyway. And yet he thankfully avoids being a "mad dog", ranting and raving, punching every hot button and panic button in sight. No, to me at least, he acts in the best press tradition of "guard dog", methodically calling out those who have made public mistakes to face the awful music that they have created and that we are still being forced to listen to. What will it take to change the fact that the "super rich and all powerful" (who too often, though not always, are morally bankrupt and psychologically impotent individuals) get away with their crimes? Crimes that are so large that they are difficult to imagine and even harder to describe. Maybe that is part of the reason. I have recently re-read "The Odessa File" by Frederick Forsyth, the excellent fictionalized story of one's man's quest to bring a certain Nazi killer (based on a real person) to some kind of justice, nearly twenty years after the end of the war. I am not equating the Bush administration with the Nazi regime. That would be an exaggeration, of course. But as I was reading, I could not help but think of certain disturbing parallels, I am sorry to say. And these days there is a lot that I am sorry to say, when it comes to this great land of ours. Some days I feel sorry to be an American. I apologize to everyone that has been unfairly hurt beneath the American flag. It would be helpful, for those hurt, for the American people, and for their own souls, if at least some of those responsible for the theft and destruction of an entire country, would seriously consider doing the same. Thanks to all those, famous and lesser known, who do their best to stop this horrible addiction to war. May God bless America. And may God help the rest of the world. Thank you.

Rule of Law. Olberman has

Rule of Law. Olberman has got it exactly right regarding accountability. The chain of command is absolutely unambiguous. The issue is Rule of Law. The stakes are the survival of democratic culture.

Has anybody considered the

Has anybody considered the reason Obama isn't prosecuting is because it might lead directly to the leaders of the Democratic party (Mrs. Pelosi, Mr. Rockefeller and others)? Seems like this one is to big to hang the noose on just the Bush / Cheney crew. I have always considered myself a liberal democrat and I believe there should be a full investigation. Which ever side of the isle you fall on if you we're complacent on torture you should be taken through the legal process. That includes the CIA, Bush, Cheney, Pelosi, Rockefeller, the chain of command in Abu Graib you name it. They should all face trial and if guilty jail.