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CIA Waterboarded al-Qaeda Suspects 266 Times

by: Matthew Weaver and Agencies  |  The Guardian UK

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Gulf war veteran Joe Tougas volunteered to be waterboarded during a demonstration at UC Berkley. (Photo: John Han)

Torture technique outlawed by Obama was used extensively on 9/11 plotter Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and alleged terror commander Abu Zubaydah.

    The CIA waterboarded two al-Qaida terror suspects a total of 266 times, according to a report that suggests the use of the torture technique was much more extensive than previously thought.

    The documents showed waterboarding was used 183 times on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who admitted planning the 9/11 attacks, the New York Times reported today.

    The US Justice Department memos released last Thursday showed that waterboarding, which the US now admits is torture, was used 83 times on the alleged al-Qaida senior commander Abu Zubaydah, the paper said. A former CIA officer claimed in 2007 that Zubaydah was subjected to the simulated drowning technique for only 35 seconds.

    The numbers were removed from most of the memos over the weekend. But bloggers, including Marcy Wheeler from empytwheel, discovered that the figure had not been blanked out from one of the memos.

    Barack Obama has banned waterboarding and overturned a Bush administration policy that it did not amount to torture.

    The president did not intend to prosecute Bush administration officials who devised the policies that led to such interrogations, his chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, said yesterday.

    Asked on Sunday about the fate of those officials, Emanuel told ABC's This Week programme that Obama believed they "should not be prosecuted either and that's not the place that we go".

    Michael Hayden, who led the CIA under Bush, said the public release of the memos would make it harder to get useful information from suspected terrorists being detained by the US.

    "I think that teaching our enemies our outer limits, by taking techniques off the table, we have made it more difficult in a whole host of circumstances I can imagine, more difficult for CIA officers to defend the nation," Hayden said on Fox News Sunday.

    He disputed an article in the New York Times on Saturday that said Zubaydah had revealed nothing new after being waterboarded, saying that he believed that after unspecified "techniques" were used Zubaydah revealed information that led to the capture of another terrorist suspect, Ramzi Binalshibh.

    One of the released memos was a 2002 justice department briefing memo written by assistant attorney general Jay Bybee and sent to John Rizzo, the acting general counsel for the CIA, spelling out in detail how waterboarding should be practised. It specifically refers to the interrogation of Zubaydah using the water technique.

    "In this procedure," Bybee said, "the individual is bound securely to an inclined bench, which is approximately four feet by seven feet. The individual's feet are generally elevated. A cloth is placed over the forehead and eyes. Water is then applied to the cloth in a controlled manner. As this is done the cloth is lowered until it covers both the nose and the mouth. Once the cloth is saturated and completely covers the mouth and nose, air flow is slightly restricted for 20 to 40 seconds ... this causes an increase in carbon dioxide level in the individual's blood.

    "This increase in the carbon dioxide level stimulates increased efforts to breath. This effect plus the cloth produces the perception of 'suffocation and incipient panic', ie the perception of drowning. The individual does not breathe any water into his lungs."

    After the 20 to 40 seconds, the cloth is lifted and the individual is allowed three or four full breaths before the procedure is repeated.

    The memo went on to say that "we also understand that a medical expert will be present throughout this phase and the procedure will be stopped if deemed medically necessary to prevent severe mental or physical harm to Zubaydah".

    A footnote to another 2005 justice department memo released last week said waterboarding was used both more frequently and with a greater volume of water than the CIA rules permitted.

  

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Cheney has been making the

Cheney has been making the rounds trumpeting the valuable information obtained by the use of harsh practices, i.e. torture. While I don’t doubt that some portion of the information gained was actually useful, what is not discussed is how this differs from information skilled interrogators might have gathered without turning it over to the thug department. There are lots of things we might do (but don’t) that could conceivably produce some kind of benefit. We could allow police to search any household on a whim, a practice that would surely reveal some number of previously unsuspected crimes. We could allow any phone to be tapped without a warrant (oh wait, we already do that). We set limits to power in the Constitution because (as the framers well knew) the cruder cures can be worse than any disease, both morally and pragmatically. Cheney’s rationalizations ring hollow in the context of his contribution of injury of the reputation and soul of America, not to mention to the lives of many victims now regarded as innocent.

One more piece of evidence

One more piece of evidence that demands: prosecute the CIA scum. Even if these people were "important terrorists", this is wrong. Of course, it also totally corrupts any possible prosecution of the terrorists.

The question just begging

The question just begging for an answer here is this: How many times would we have to waterboard Dick Cheney or George Bush to get them to confess to the 9/11 attack?"

If I was water-boarded 266

If I was water-boarded 266 times I would admit to anything, including the planning 9/11. I would admit and say anything that they wanted to hear, just to put an end to the endless torture.

If, as Cheney claims,

If, as Cheney claims, torture is useful in gaining information that otherwise would not be gotten, ..then why in God's Name would it take a total of 266 waterboarding of those Two men to get them to Talk ? Seems to me that whoever was doing the Torturing, as well as those that stood around and Watched, were the ones deriving sadistic pleasure from watching the torture. After 266 times ( the same two men ) it would be clear to any fool that torture was not gaining any information that a good meal and a good night's sleep might better have elicited. But, call me a Conspiracy Nut, but the ones that had a hand in 911 were the ones that came up with this Spectacle of torture..knowing very well that those 'Terrorists' could not tell them what they already knew, first hand.

90% of information derived

90% of information derived by these barbaric ways was probably useless from some accounts I've read. Not only was it useless, but a lot of money was spent verifying any of the info, I'm also guessing that innocent people, maybe our own soldiers, either died or were injured in the quest. I think we need to take Cheney's health insurance away, that is not torture is it?

Can anyone say that doing

Can anyone say that doing this kind of thing represents the Best of America? Can these waterboarders really claim that they were "just following orders" to do something this malicious and evil? AND WHY WERE THE NUMBERS BLACKED OUT -- How does that represent something about "national security." Seems like just an admission that people were guilty, IMHO. Investigate, prosecute, and expose this for what it really is -- unConstitutional and immoral acts by the Bush Administration and other bad actors. This was NOT about protecting Americans. Evil and sadistic. PREVENT FUTURE ACTIONS OF THIS NATURE by exposing this crap NOW.