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Obama Confronts Torture Policy in Prime Time

by: Matt Renner, t r u t h o u t | Report

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At president Obama's hundredth-day press conference, reporters refrained from questioning him on the possibility of criminal prosecutions regarding torture. (Photo: Getty Images)

    The East Room, the White House - Under the spotlight of his third prime-time press conference, on his 100th day in office, President Barack Obama was unequivocal in his rejection of torture on moral and ethical grounds and said specifically that waterboarding is an illegal torture technique.

    "What I've said - and I will repeat - is that waterboarding violates our ideals and our values. I do believe that it is torture. I don't think that's just my opinion; that's the opinion of many who've examined the topic. And that's why I put an end to these practices," Obama said.

    In response to a question from ABC News' Jake Tapper, Obama said that using torture "corrodes the character of a country," and banning the technique "takes away a critical recruitment tool," used by terrorist groups.

    Despite asking two questions and a follow-up about the controversy over the Bush administrations torture policy, the White House press corps failed to ask about building pressure on Attorney General Eric Holder to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate possible violations of law. Any mention of criminal prosecution or investigation by Congress was conspicuously absent from the question posed by ABC's Tapper and CBS News White House correspondent Mark Knoller.

    The president sidestepped former Vice President Richard Cheney's narrow argument that the brutal interrogations of terrorism suspects, which included the use of waterboarding, led to useful intelligence which prevented terrorist attacks.

    "It worked. It has been enormously valuable in terms of saving lives and preventing another mass casualty attack against the United States," Cheney recently told Fox News, in reference to the use of waterboarding and other harsh methods used on captured terrorist suspects.

    Cheney has been pushing for the release of classified documents, which he says will show that the highly controversial interrogation program employed by the Bush administration resulted in useful intelligence.

    Obama's response was a deflection, not a frontal attack on Cheney's argument.

    "And that's why I put an end to these practices. I'm absolutely convinced it was the right thing to do - not because there might not have been information that was yielded by these various detainees who were subjected to this treatment, but because we could have gotten this information in other ways - in ways that were consistent with our values, in ways that were consistent with who we are," Obama said, speaking about his decision to outlaw torturous interrogation techniques during his first days in office.

    Obama tried to reframe the argument, referring to torture as a "shortcut," the use of which does not prove that the same information could not have been produced using other methods of interrogation.

    "Churchill understood, you start taking shortcuts, and over time, that corrodes what's - what's best in a people," Obama said, after referring to British Prime Minister Winston Churchill's decision to refrain from torturing captured Nazi soldiers during World War II.

    Later in the conference, Obama again parried Cheney's argument, "... public reports and the public justifications, for these techniques, which is that we got information, from these individuals that were subjected to these techniques, doesn't answer the core question which is, could we have gotten that same information without resorting to these techniques? And it doesn't answer the broader question, are we safer as a consequence of having used these techniques?"

    The president went on to expand on the idea that torture hurts the standing of the United States internationally.

    "I strongly believe that the steps that we've taken to prevent these kind of enhanced interrogation techniques will make us stronger over the long term, and make us safer over the long term, because it will put us in a - in a position where we can still get information. In some cases, it may be harder. But part of what makes us, I think, still a beacon to the world is that we are willing to hold true to our ideals, even when it's hard, not just when it's easy."

    When asked about the classified documents which Cheney says would demonstrate the usefulness of torturous interrogation, Obama said that he had not seen any evidence that the results of torture justify its use.

    "... Ultimately I will be judged, as commander in chief, on how safe I'm keeping the American people. That's the responsibility I wake up with. And it's the responsibility I go to sleep with. And so I will do whatever is required to keep the American people safe. But I am absolutely convinced that the best way I can do that is to make sure that we are not taking shortcuts that undermine who we are. And - and there have been no circumstances during the course of this first hundred days in which I have seen information that would make me second-guess the decision that I've made," Obama said.

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    A transcript of the full exchange on torture follows:

    Jake Tapper: Thank you, Mr. President. You've said in the past that waterboarding in your opinion is torture. And torture is a violation of international law and the Geneva Conventions. Do you believe that the previous administration sanctioned torture?

    President Obama: What I've said - and I will repeat - is that waterboarding violates our ideals and our values. I do believe that it is torture. I don't think that's just my opinion; that's the opinion of many who've examined the topic. And that's why I put an end to these practices.

    I am absolutely convinced that it was the right thing to do - not because there might not have been information that was yielded by these various detainees who were subjected to this treatment, but because we could have gotten this information in other ways - in ways that were consistent with our values, in ways that were consistent with who we are.

    I was struck by an article that I was reading the other day talking about the fact that the British, during World War II, when London was being bombed to smithereens, had 200 or so detainees. And Churchill said, "we don't torture," when the - the entire British - all of the British people were being subjected to unimaginable risk and threat. And - and - and the reason was that Churchill understood, you start taking shortcuts, and over time, that corrodes what's - what's best in a people.

    It corrodes the character of a country.

    And - and so I strongly believe that the steps that we've taken to prevent these kind of enhanced interrogation techniques will make us stronger over the long term, and make us safer over the long term, because it will put us in a - in a position where we can still get information. In some cases, it may be harder. But part of what makes us, I think, still a beacon to the world is that we are willing to hold true to our ideals, even when it's hard, not just when it's easy.

    At the same time, it takes away a critical recruitment tool that al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations have used to try to demonize the United States and justify the killing of civilians. And it makes us - it puts us in a much stronger position to work with our allies in the kind of international coordinated intelligence activity that can shut down these networks.

    So this is a decision that I am very comfortable with, and I think the American people over time will recognize that it is better for us to stick to who we are, even when we're taking on a unscrupulous enemy.

    Jake Tapper: Do you believe the previous administration sanctioned torture?

    President Obama: I believe that waterboarding was torture. And I think that the - whatever legal rationales were used, it was a mistake.

    Mark Knoller: Thank you, sir. Let me follow up, if I may, on Jake's question. Did you read the documents recently referred to by former Vice President Cheney and others, saying that the us? of so-called enhanced interrogation techniques not only protected the nation but saved lives? And if part of the United States were under imminent threat, could you envision yourself ever authorizing the use of those enhanced interrogation techniques?

    President Obama: I - I have read the documents.

    Now, they haven't been officially declassified and released. And so I don't want to go into the details of them.

    But here's what I can tell you, that the public reports and the public justifications, for these techniques, which is that we got information from these individuals that were subjected to these techniques, doesn't answer the core question which is, could we have gotten that same information without resorting to these techniques? And it doesn't answer the broader question, are we safer as a consequence of having used these techniques?

    So when I made the decision to release these memos and when I made the decision to bar these practices, this was based on consultation with my entire national security team and based on my understanding that ultimately I will be judged, as commander in chief, on how safe I'm keeping the American people.

    That's the responsibility I wake up with. And it's the responsibility I go to sleep with. And so I will do whatever is required to keep the American people safe.

    But I am absolutely convinced that the best way I can do that is to make sure that we are not taking shortcuts that undermine who we are.

    And - and there have been no circumstances during the course of this first hundred days in which I have seen information that would make me second-guess the decision that I've made.

  

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Matt Renner is the Director of Development at Truthout. He can be reached at Matt@truthout.org.

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I watched the press

I watched the press conference last night, and very much appreciated two things about how the president handled this. First, he said stated unequivocally that, regardless of the euphemism of the day used to describe it, torture is torture and we will not commit torture. Second, the way that he framed the debate - it doesn't matter if it worked, it wasn't necessary, and it's a question of character. Great job. ~~ Lane Baldwin - lifewithspirit.org

Law not "moral" "unethical"

Law not "moral" "unethical" are reasons to end torture. Torture is illegal under our laws. Dodging the question.

Oh please. You want to know

Oh please. You want to know what corrodes the character of a country, President Obama? Knowing full well the extent of crimes committed, and looking the other way. You are a weak and spineless politician, just like the rest of them. How I had HOPED you'd be different.

Also corrosive to a country?

Also corrosive to a country? Continued domestic unwarranted wiretapping of everyday citizens, continued funneling of our hard-earned dollars to shamefully wealthy Wall Street jerks, continued escalation of war activities in Iraq and Afghanistan. Continued business-as-usual, just like the Bush administration.

Obama is not "looking the

Obama is not "looking the other way." As President, he has no say as to what will be investigated or prosecuted by the Department of Justice. Also, even a few weeks ago, there wasn't a major PUBLIC demand for investigations and possible prosecutions. (The liberal blogs and magazines represent only a small part of the population.) There will need to be public investigations (only Congress can really do that, as Federal Grand Jury testimony is usually secret to avoid contaminating potential prosecutions) and/or more revelations (e.g., the photos that are supposed to be released in May). Those of us old enough to remember Watergate know that, at first, the whole thing was somewhat dismissed, despite the great job done by the Washington Post. It took the Senate hearings to bring the issue to the forefront and start impeachment proceedings against Nixon. (That was VERY different from the impeachment of Clinton, which was NOT supported by the public.) To NYCartist: yes, it's law, but it's also morality and ethics. If the law had not forbidden torture, would it have been OK? Remember that, in some countries, torture is LEGAL. Does that mean that it should be accepted?

Believing in morals and

Believing in morals and ethics does not make a human being weak or "spineless". In fact, people who are willing to sacrifice other peoples natural human rights to seek petty revenge or to keep themselves safe(and safety is not guaranteed by torture, by the way) are cowards and they are the truly weak. Besides, sacrificing morality is never beneficial in the long run, because it sets the precedent that it is ok to sacrifice morality in future scenarios. Not only that, but if Obama were to legalize one immoral practice then if he tried to outlaw others he would be seen as a hypocrite and so would our country which could easily lead to rebellion and/or a war. Although President Obama is not entirely up to speed on moral values, he at least brings change for the better which is something this country needs a lot of.

no offense to NYCartist but

no offense to NYCartist but laws should be based on morals and ethics and are based on morals and ethics. Laws that are not based on morals and ethics are faulty, whereas morals and ethics do not have to be based on laws. So "moral" and "unethical" are reasons to end torture. Not only that, but they are the most important reason to end torture, not the laws of this darwinian country.

Let the ICC sort it all out.

Let the ICC sort it all out. Send the facts to them and let them decide. I've been sick of the stone throwing since OJ. So lets let a court which must sit iron out the facts. As is this issue is only wasting lots of times. While solutions of how to keep Families in Homes is alluding US.

1) It is not a "technique,"

1) It is not a "technique," it is torture. And so is every other lousy thing they did like shovcing into walls, standing all day, playing loud music 24/7, especially as 95% at Gito and higher at abu gahrib. 2) No good info was gotten, that is a fabrication that Obama buys into. 3) And what if no other way to find this supposed good data exists? It is still a human rights violaation. 4) Since actual people who were tehre say torture got nothing, even shut up cooperative prisoners, why is Obama buying into all the lies, the same ones used by the nazis?

Obama is too bright,

Obama is too bright, informed, and correct in his actions; don't doubt his words. the truth about the torture will come out; people will be brought to justice; leave it to the UN and /or the ICC. Peace.

Brilliant reference to

Brilliant reference to Churchhill; and leave the legal work (ie, the torture cases to come) to the international law and the UN; these criminals will not get away with such actions. Thank you for an incredible, live broadcast, Mr. President, and for your coverage, truthout. Your fan, dss

One thing I've noticed is

One thing I've noticed is that all these officials and press people can't seem to say the *word*, even when they are condemning torture! They call it "harsh techniques," "harsh methods," "these practices," "enhanced interrogation techniques," etc. Let's all say it out loud. The U.S. tortures people. We are a country that tortures people. We kidnap and torture innocent people. We need to stop our practice of torturing people. There, that wasn't so hard, was it?

I thought the President's

I thought the President's performance on the torture thing was very disappointing until I read Elizabeth De La Vega's article in Truthout urging patience because lawful convictions for the kinds of crimes that Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al have apparently committed are so difficult to achieve. (What a treasure De La Vega is, and what a huge asset to Truthout her contributions are!) Now, after Obama's press conference, I think there's nobody I'd rather have in the Oval Office. De La Vega made me begin to see Obama's style as cleverly and virtuously parsimonious about confrontations. Our President apparently has little or no inner compulsion to win any ideological games. Instead, he seeks to comprehensively adapt his behavior to bigger goals, in the context of a bigger picture than most people are even aware exists. What a difference from his predecessor! And what a baffling target Obama must be for ideologues of every persuasion. Simply by his example, he devastates their respectability.