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Why the Caged Bird Sang

by: William Rivers Pitt, t r u t h o u t | Columnist

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Former Vice President Dick Cheney has been publicly defending torture. (Photo: AP)

    It's impossible to say to yourself how did we get there? Who are we? Who are these people that sent us there?

    - Seymour Hersh

    Dick Cheney has been doing a lot of talking lately. From his most recent barrage of public statements, we have gleaned that he loves Rush Limbaugh, doesn't much care for Colin Powell, believes President Obama is about to sell the Sixth Fleet to the Taliban for pennies on the dollar and thinks torture is a nifty and effective tool that saves lives and defends freedom. Really, this isn't anything we haven't heard before from our growly, snarly, face-blasting former vice president. But it does beg the question: What the hell is he up to? NPR's Ron Elving posited the question in a Wednesday article titled "What is Dick Cheney Trying to Accomplish?"

    "The man whom many consider the most powerful veep in history had already been far more vocal and visible than most of his predecessors in retirement," wrote Elving. "This week in particular, the former No. 2 has been out there almost daily, doing talk shows and giving a formal address to the American Enterprise Institute on the importance of interrogation techniques widely considered to be torture. Along the way, he is also unburdening himself of opinions on everything else, from tax policy to the fate of the GOP to the choice of a commanding general in Afghanistan. Once known for his reticence and low profile, the man from Wyoming is suddenly his party's most prominent national figure and audible voice. He is having his catharsis, and having it abundantly."

    As for his motives, Elving states his belief that Cheney's sudden whirlwind tour of every television, radio and newspaper in America has a three-pronged purpose: 1) He is a genuine, dyed-in-the-wool, neocon, true believer, who insists on defending the use of torture because he believes it actually works; 2) He is defending the legacy of the administration he basically ran single-handedly for eight years; and 3) He is now liberated from the constraints of White House PR concerns and can speak as freely as he likes.

    Mr. Cheney is not the only one who has been out in the public eye defending the practices of the former administration. His daughter, Liz Cheney, went off like an old barrel of TNT on the cable news shows, going so far as to invoke 9/11 (like father, like daughter) and accuse Obama of supporting terrorism for even considering the release of photographic evidence of the American use of torture against detainees. "I have heard from families of service members, from families of 9/11 victims," she said, "when did it become so fashionable for us to side with the terrorists?"

    The Cheney clan is not known for their restraint when it comes to launching a verbal carpet-bombing campaign, but even for them, this is flame-thrower language. Ron Elving's explanation is almost certainly accurate, but only to a point. His analysis leaves off the one central and defining motive behind Cheney's thunderous defense of himself and the activities of his administration.

    He was scared, I think.

    He was scared the real stuff is going to come out.

    He was scared of the universal damnation that will come down upon him if the truth comes out.

    Finally, I believe he was scared of going to prison.

    But why? The American public has been aware of our use of torture for some time now. The Obama administration has made it all too clear that they have strong reservations about prosecuting the architects of the Bush administration's torture policy, and that any meaningful actions along those lines are highly unlikely to be taken.

    Why, then?

    It is because Cheney knew, when he began his media assault, that the worst of the horrors inflicted upon detainees at his specific command are not yet widely known. If the real stuff comes into full public light, he feared the general outrage will be so furious and all-encompassing that the Obama administration will have no choice but to reverse itself and seek prosecutions of those Bush-era officials who specifically demanded those barbaric acts be inflicted upon prisoners.

    This is not about waterboarding, as gruesome as that practice is. It is not about putting prisoners in confined spaces, or about pushing them, or slapping them, or putting bugs on them or demeaning them and their religious faith.

    It is about this, from July of 2004:

After Donald Rumsfeld testified on the Hill about Abu Ghraib in May, there was talk of more photos and video in the Pentagon's custody more horrific than anything made public so far. "If these are released to the public, obviously it's going to make matters worse," Rumsfeld said. Since then, The Washington Post has disclosed some new details and images of abuse at the prison. But if Seymour Hersh is right, it all gets much worse. Hersh gave a speech last week to the ACLU making the charge that children were sodomized in front of women in the prison, and the Pentagon has tape of it.

Hersh: "Debating about it, ummm ... Some of the worst things that happened you don't know about, okay? Videos, um, there are women there. Some of you may have read that they were passing letters out, communications out to their men. This is at Abu Ghraib ... The women were passing messages out saying 'Please come and kill me, because of what's happened' and basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys, children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. And the worst above all of that is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror. It's going to come out."

    Dick Cheney wanted everyone talking about waterboarding, close confinement, and all the rest of the torture techniques outlined in the recently-released "Torture Memos." Talking about waterboarding is still safe territory for him and everyone else who served his cruel intentions in the Bush administration. They're taking some heat, sure, but the story has been out there for a while and he's not wearing prison stripes yet.

    I know why this caged bird sang. He was terrified of the very real cage that could be waiting to swing open and swallow him up if the true nature of his torture directives became widely known. If the entire country comprehends the awful fact that women and boys were forcibly raped upon his specific orders, Dick Cheney's bets would all be off.

    That was then, however, and this is now. Dick Cheney is breathing a little easier today, and why shouldn't he? President Obama appears to have pretty much let Cheney, along with all the other enables of torture, off the hook.

    "President Obama is seeking to block the release of photographs depicting American military personnel abusing captives in Iraq and Afghanistan, an administration official said Wednesday," reports The New York Times. "The president's decision marks a sharp reversal from a decision made last month by the Pentagon, which reached a deal with the American Civil Liberties Union to release photographs showing incidents at Abu Ghraib and a half-dozen other prisons. 'Last week, the president met with his legal team and told them that he did not feel comfortable with the release of the D.O.D. photos because he believes their release would endanger our troops,' said the official, speaking on condition of anonymity. 'And because he believes that the national security implications of such a release have not been fully presented to the court.'"

    To me, this means two things.

    The pictures are really, really, really bad, just as Sy Hersh said they would be.

    There will be no punishment, no justice, for acts of barbarous torture undertaken at the specific behest of men like Dick Cheney. The Obama administration has chosen the easier path, chosen to ignore the manifest harm done to this nation and the world by refusing to seek that necessary justice.

    The caged bird sang to stay out of a cage. Now he's free as a bird, and ours is a badly damaged and disgraced country because of it.

  

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William Rivers Pitt is a New York Times and internationally bestselling author of two books: "War on Iraq: What Team Bush Doesn't Want You to Know" and "The Greatest Sedition Is Silence." His newest book, "House of Ill Repute: Reflections on War, Lies, and America's Ravaged Reputation," is now available from PoliPointPress.

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Also reinvigorating & leading the Republicans soldiers [who draft evade] for the 2010 elections:listen to RLimbaugh & leading national discussions with usual confined mantras.Socorro County Republican storefront is up and running that same week.

Dick Cheney and George Bush

Dick Cheney and George Bush need to be held accountable for their actions. These two men not only stole two elections for their power, they used their power to do the most heinous and Un-Constitutional acts of any administration in our history. They will go down in history with the same reputation of the most tyrannical dictators of the last century. This should be the last time mean and evil people get to enter the White House doors.

Nailed it. I've been

Nailed it. I've been screaming about the Sy Hersch story, well, since 2004, but because literally no one else was talking about it and despite the fact that many of my friends read it for themselves--they could ignore it. The New Yorker is hardly a fringe publication, but somehow its exposure was largely prevented--until now. Thanks for shining a bit of light on the evil beast we have become. And as with any cornered animal, this is a dangerous moment. Peace

I really hope and pray that

I really hope and pray that these people are brought to justice. That is what our country is all about. I also hope and pray that the free press we are so blessed to have here continues to bring pressure upon the President and Congress to get all this out in the open, regardless of whose political career suffers. Thank you.

I know how we could get the

I know how we could get the truth. Use those same "harsh interrogation techniques" on Dick Cheney until he confesses his crimes. I'm sure the conservative movement would be OK with that. I mean, it's not torture, right?

Torture, torture all torture

Torture, torture all torture all the time. What about 9/11 -- the seminal event that was used to incite wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, trash the Constitution and wiretap your granny? Cheney was in the Presidential Emergency Operations Center in the White House on the morning of 9/11 running some military drills that (hey, I'm not making this up!) involved hijacked airliners. Since when does the vice president run military drills? Cheney is up to his eyeballs in treason and murder, but all the pundits can do is belabor the torture thing because they are scared to death to even think that Dickey Boy was involved in a covert op that murdered 3,000 American citizens and set off two disastrous wars. And of course you can forget about Congress doing anything except steal taxpayer money. If we are just going to ignore the reality of 9/11 -- if we are just going to let the perps walk around doing talk shows, then we definitely deserve to become the police state we are now becoming. Oh, well. Empires do their thing -- be born, grow and expand to greatness, get lazy, get old and die. Looks like we are definitely at the end of the American democratic experiment.

As Rush shows, any

As Rush shows, any advertising is powerful mouth wash. The big thing here is this: If Mr. Obama knows about these heinous crimes and does not act, doesn't that make him guilty too? And to think this is from an illegal insurgence. If we are to regain respect in this world, we can not allow these monsters free passage through our society.

The US is at the bottom of

The US is at the bottom of the moral heap!! The world is in great danger with this fascist government and terrorist state!

It may be that the only way

It may be that the only way the Americans will see justice done here is via the European Courts. The Court of Humanity (Darmstadt, Germany) indicted Rumsfield for crimes against humanity and then suspended the indictment under the proviso that the US courts would proceed with the case. The US, after agreeing to this, then promptly suspended any further action. The Spanish Courts indicted and convicted Pinochet for torture and the death squads in Chile. These were run by the US CIA. (Oh, excuse me, they were "directed and advised" by the CIA.) Milosovic was indicted and tried by the International Criminal Courts in The Hague. Other countries have international courts that have international jurisdiction Of course, if Cheney and others were indicted by another court (other than the USA), then they would have to served (maybe "rendered"?) or extradited to that country for trial. If the US refused to extradite these criminals when requested by the international courts abroad, then the US would lose their exradition privileges in other countries. Interesting? Since the US hasn't the courage or political will to investigate and prosecute their own criminals, then perhaps it will be up to another country to enforce democracy and human rights and hold these criminals accountable. So much for democracy, The Geneva Convention, human rights and justice in the USA. If the USA cannot or will not hold it's own executives responsible for their actions then it does not deserve to be world leader for democracy and justice. Actions speak louder than words. The US will become just another undemocratic country like Zimbabwe and others. How sad!!!

There's a strange testimony

There's a strange testimony by a US Senator (50 seconds in) about the need to have a full investigation. He oddly dances around specifics and seems to choke up but given his position on a number of important Senate Committees he's obviously seen and heard some disturbing things. Leahy, Whitehouse Issue Passionate Call For Investigations Into Bush Crimes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTzJf7m2NL0

Maine author Carolyn Chute

Maine author Carolyn Chute ("Beans of Egypt," et al) once told me: "No matter how paranoid you are, what they're really doing is worse than you can image." We've got to get those photos. In the absence of a judge with balls, is there not a Daniel Ellsberg in the house?

All of which makes full

All of which makes full openness & suitable subsequent action that much more imperative: anything less disarms human rights & law, & thus guarantees repetition of these unparalleled atrocities.

This thug has appeared more

This thug has appeared more times in the past month than in his entire White House tenure. In addition we have bear witness to his daughters torture expertise. All to the disgrace of this country. What we are witnessing first hand is that some people remain above domestic and international law. Cheney and his Assistant Secretary of State daughter are such people. Way above and beyond the law.

Maybe Cheyney will be scared

Maybe Cheyney will be scared into the sacred confess his sins, ask for the justice he deserves, and the court system will place him in the pews of prison. It's not too late for justice. There are some things a whole lot worse than dying.

What is he up to? He is

What is he up to? He is kicking face into the faces of all those who elected Obama on the promise of change! He broke the law, he flaunted the law, he treated the law with utter and total contempt and he's free as a bird and unafraid because he knows the Obama administration is a continuity of the past eight years with improved packaging. He has nothing to fear as a either a war criminal or a corrupt and evil politician.

My Letter to the White

My Letter to the White House: I love Barack to pieces, but I really question his justification for not releasing the remaining photos (and video?). If they really add nothing new to our understanding, then, they would not inflame anyone or endanger our troops any more than they already are. More pictures of guys in hoods would make people yawn. On the other hand, if they really do add to our understanding, i.e. depict crimes yet unimagined by the American public, and are therefore dangerous to our troops, such outrage and anger could be neutralized by charging and trying those responsible in a very public fashion. I do not know what actions are depicted in those images, but right now, Barack does not own them. He can still be the man in the white hat. If he covers them up, he then becomes an accomplice. This guy is my hero. Please let him be good.

There are no words that

There are no words that fully describe the deep disgust, horror, anger, and anguish I feel over the way our government has treated human beings at Abu Ghraib. The only way I can sleep at night is that I believe in Karma, and I think Cheney will have lots to answer for. We must never, never let this happen again!

Neither Cheney nor any of

Neither Cheney nor any of the Cabal of Evil scum will be going to prison, be indicted, or even be investigated much less prosecuted. Congress is a vipers' pit of deceit and malfeasance. Political blackmail is rampant, making the courts of Byzantium look like pikers. We will continue to howl into the wind.

I'm reminded of some lines

I'm reminded of some lines spoken near the end of Abby Mann's Academy Award-winning script from the 1961 movie, Judgment at Nuremberg. The scene is in a Nuremberg courtroom, circa 1947, a trial before a US Tribunal. On trial for war crimes are a handful of German judges, men who essentially looked the other way, who "followed orders," who lent apparent legal credence to Nazi atrocities. Head Tribunal judge Dan Haywood (Spencer Tracy) says, in his concluding statement: "[T]his trial has shown that under the stress of a national crisis, men - even able and extraordinary men - can delude themselves into the commission of crimes and atrocities so vast and heinous as to beggar the imagination.... "There are those in our own country, too, who today speak of the protection of country, of survival. A decision must be made in the life of every nation, at the very moment when the grasp of the enemy is at its throat. Then it seems that the only way to survive is to use the means of the enemy, to rest survival upon what is expedient, to look the other way. "The answer to that is: survival as what? "A country isn't a rock. It's not an extension of one's self. It's what it stands for. It's what it stands for when standing for something is the most difficult. Before the people of the world - let it now be noted in our decision here that this is what we stand for: justice, truth... and the value of a single human being." Times have changed. As a youngster I was taught -- and believed -- that this nation was honorable, that it did, indeed, stand for something special. Today, however, my sense of things is that the United States is dying, that we should all be sickened, we should all be outraged. But we don't seem to be. Why is that, I wonder? Whatever happened to those so-called Nuremberg Principles, those concepts of civility which were intended to redefine and establish limits on armed conflict? Why is Dick Cheney still a free man?

"Hersh gave a speech last

"Hersh gave a speech last week to the ACLU making the charge that children were sodomized in front of women in the prison, and the Pentagon has tape of it." If this is true then WHY AREN'T WE PROSECUTING EVERY LAST LIVING ONE OF THESE BASTARDS!?!?!?!?!?

Maybe Obama, Cheney, Bush,

Maybe Obama, Cheney, Bush, all of the "people in charge" really do not care about anything other than themselves and the power of the position. Will we ever see someone that is a true person to their word and people? I suppose not.

A further comment: to 15:34:

A further comment: to 15:34: a movie like "Judgement at Nuremberg" is a total display of self-centered American arrogance. All the pretty speeches in the script... what crap. The US government has always been two-faced about human rights. At the actual Nuremberg trials, the Soviet judge had been involved in Stalinist show trials; yet the US tolerated this. The world would probably laugh at the US if it attempted this now. Don't be surprised to see Americans committing disgusting crimes. The "exceptional America" mentality gets in the way of punishing them.

Treason, pure and simple,

Treason, pure and simple, treason. This, if true, absolutely can not go unpunished! We are better than this.

And ALL because of lies and

And ALL because of lies and deceit.

Karl Rove is still the

Karl Rove is still the puppeteer pulling the strings and pushing the levers of the Cheney doll we see in public. It is a PR campaign orchestrated by the master flack Karl Rove to get Americans who are now learning the details of the extent of the torture to think that it was necessary and it was productive when the truth, based on the testimony of the interrogators, is that it was neither necessary nor productive - which should be obvious when they have to torture someone with waterboarding 183 times. If insanity is doing the same thing again and again but expecting a different outcome, then Cheney and his cohorts are criminally insane and insanity would be a better defense plea.

It is interesting that the

It is interesting that the voice for Republicans on torture is a 5x military deferment coward who was quoted as saying "I had other priorities in the 60s." Meanwhile, the position of honorable John McCain who served his country and who has been tortured is completely ignored? They call this "Patriotism."

It is absolutely untrue, and

It is absolutely untrue, and only nonsensical speculation, to claim that "President Obama appears to have pretty much let Cheney, along with all the other enables of torture, off the hook." The only thing that the president has done is to decline to release 29 photos of American soldiers abusing Iraqi and Afghan prisoners during the Bush years, because military commanders told him the photos could inspire violence in Afghanistan against American soldiers. The ACLU will take that case forward and the photos may still come out -- but that would happen after the president's speech to the Muslim world in a few weeks. With respect to bringing any Bush malefactors to justice, the president has said that if there were evidence of wrongdoing, he would want to see justice done -- the opposite of what this writer claims. It is not even clear yet that there is enough specific evidence to enable the Attorney General to authorize an investigation by prosecutors of Cheney or other Bush officials. Congress is another story -- and that's where hearings and investigations will be started. The White House knows that and is not opposed to such hearings. This is a gradual, iterative process of collecting information and putting it in the public domain, so let's slow down our political craving for instant gratification in seeing Cheney called to account, and let's please stop trying to insist that Barack Obama is helping Cheney avoid justice. He is not.

When's the last time we

When's the last time we heard squat from any former vice president. This simply affirms exactly what we have known all along, that Mr. Cheney was really running things from behind the empty suit of President Bush. Mr. Bush has had the grace and good sense to sit back and let President Obama succeed or fail on his own, but now that Cheney no longer needs to hide his true involvement, he's out there blabbing away. People are questioning his motives. He's motivated by the fact that he knows he has little time left on this earth, and he wants to ensure that his message of fear and destruction are perpetuated beyond his presence. It's the last gasp of a, hopefully, dying breed.

The President is a brilliant

The President is a brilliant politician. He wouldn't be President if he wasn't. He has made the political decision that the vast American "silent Majority" does not want to know what was done in their name and with their silent consent. This may be necessary if he wants to accomplish his programs. More likely it is the first slice of the salami as he compromises away all his other ideals. Add this to slavery, the Trail of Tears,segregation, and the internment of Japanese Americans as things we choose not to remember. But there is no expiation without confession. The SHAME will remain as an undying part of the American psyche. It will never go away.

Obama better get up some

Obama better get up some courage to get at this stuff. This guy is a war criminal and should not be treated so. Would Goebbels have made the talk show rounds and been supported by Fox? And release everything. The enemy already knows, expects it is awful, so if it is, it wasn't Obama (except that he is protecting the CIA who followed these sick and sad orders. Who was raping the children?

There are two choices at

There are two choices at this point. Investigate, discovery, prosecute, Nuremburg style, punish. Or do nothing of the sort, and administrations WORSE than Bush/Cheney WILL come to power because this is how we will define ourselves. Cheney is not a dying breed. Pol Pot was not a dying breed. Hitler was not a dying breed. There have been, and will be, sadistic power crazed psychopaths who will REPEATEDLY attempt to come to power. Americans have repeatedly demonstrated imbecility in placing, or allowing, or whatever, putting these people in power. Usually for 8 years (I suspect Bush would have had another 4 if allowed). I put my trust in laws and case decisions; not in the whims of the voters. Otherwise, COUNT on worse than Bush/Cheney coming to office within 1 generation.

Some of the pictures (no

Some of the pictures (no children) are available through international sources. Buzzflash linked to an Australian news site with several of them. Whether or not the US gov't lets its citizens who don't have web access see the photos is really a vain fantasy decision on their part. Embarrassingly and surprisingly simple-minded. The pics are out and will have an effect anyway. We might as well pull our heads out of the sand, admit to the horrors and face them head on.

Mr. Pitt has made some

Mr. Pitt has made some extremely serious charges here. I hope he has ample evidence to back them up and is not merely letting his imagination run wild. To the extent that these charges are true, those responsible should be held accountable. Ever since 9/11 I've wondered whether the various acts of the Bush administration, perhaps beginning with the request of Condoleeza Rice, asking the TV networks not to translate the words of Bin Laden's first tape, were a result of them simply being intoxicated with power, or a result of genuine concern for the safety of US citizens and national security. I suspect we'll never know.

I feel so naive. Stupid,

I feel so naive. Stupid, even. Why did it never occur to me that women and children would be included in the torture roster? That I am adamantly in favor of full disclosure and prosecution of torture seemed enough, but education is key. I am agonized that the world will know that our own personal versions of Hitler exist, but even more horrified that our country be seen to condone them. If Obama truly desires to mend foreign relations, but doesn't want to deal with internal prosecution of these monsters, he has no choice but to allow the world to place U.S. torturers on trial. To do this is be the only action that can redeem the U.S. in the eyes of the world.

I follow events in USA from

I follow events in USA from the safety and comfort of the other side of the world...what I see is the grip of corporate fascism nearly completely closed on what was once a decent republic....before the JFK, RFK, MLK kill-off. Her people have been muted by consumerism and poisoned food. Her Congress are puppets bought and paid for by corporates. Her executive are hand held dummies...now the lead dummy speaks well, is charming and bright but nonetheless does the bidding of Wall Street...the droves of those hoodwinked into supporting Obama will gradually soe this...I urge everyone to go to infowars.com or prisionplanet.com and download Alex Jone's documentary on Obama...free to download, free to burn and free to distribute ...FOR THE MOMENT.

Let's NOT "put it behind

Let's NOT "put it behind us." Let's NOT let the high crimes and misdemeanors be forgotten. Let's NOT give Cheney, Bush, et al, passes that protect them from the same kind of "justice" they demanded and probably still demand for petty thieves, drug dealers, tax evaders, prostitutes, and others of the "little guys." Nasty, snarling, hateful Dick Cheney needs to meet up with the American legal system. President Obama needs to stand up and do the right thing for America. He promised change. The change we need, here at home and around the world, will see the criminals behind bars. (Wonder how long they will last when they are penned up with the people their policies sent up!)

It truly was the Evil Empire

It truly was the Evil Empire with Bush and Cheney in power. We must face the facts, all of the truth must come out and then we need to deal with it. We must learn from what happened and prosecute the guilty. This cannot stand as it is. We are better than that.

I am a black ex-American

I am a black ex-American across the pond and chills run down my spine about a spineless black man running my repulsive country of origin who evades, excuses, and deceived so many of us into thinking that his election was the victory we longed for. So this is it! The same cover-up and lies to keep the US government in black-face to appear to be the moral universe of the degraded rest of the world. It makes me sick. I can only pray that Obama wakes up from dreams of his father, who is probably turning in his grave from the nightmarish crimes against humankind that his son is allowing to go unpunished, unexamined, hidden from most of the world. But we shall prevail if forums like this exist. It is our only hope. The truth undiluted.

I'm still waiting for you,

I'm still waiting for you, Sy Hersh and other progressives to get to the worst thing the Bush administration did, which wasn't any form of torture, however shocking, but the engineering of 9/11 itself. Since the publication in early April i of a scientific paper, "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe" by Harrit, Jones, Ryan, et. al. anyone who reads this paper and really understands science will understand that the World Trade Center Buildings were brought down using nanothermite. All qualified scientists are invited to replicate the experiments described in the paper. The paper may be read or downloaded at: http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM

I urge all contributors here

I urge all contributors here to return to the comments above of "Tribunis Plebis." He/she maintains that the truth WILL out; that justice WILL be served; that CONGRESS and the PRESS will play the pivotal roles in revelations, not Barack Obama; that the photos and other hidden information will become known after Obama makes his Muslim world speech. I want to believe this and am willing to wait for another few weeks. Forget about Cheney. He is just noise. Support Pelosi who is tough, smart and outspoken. But in the paper today I saw that Obama's White House is spinning his retaining Bush-era military tribunals for trials of alleged terrorist detainees -- a terrible idea and a direct contradiction of his campaign commitment to end them -- against his recent supposedly strong decision to get a different, smarter more successful boots-on-the-ground commander in Afghanistan. I'm fine with the new General, but I don't buy the quid pro quo baloney for a moment. How dare we walk into Afghanistan where so many others have trod before us and failed utterly? How dare we keep troops in Iraq where we should never have gone in the first place? Where are the multi-national forces of support in either theater? Doesn't their scarcity tell us anything? How is what Barack is doing any better than what Bush blundered into with jingoistic fervor? Is the only difference slicker rhetoric? Barack Obama may be free-falling into the black-hole mistakes of his predecessors, deluding himself that because he is surrounded by the "Best and the Brightest" he will therefore find a politically palatable way out of the labyrinth of war and single-handed nation-building. Obama needs to summon courage in the service of independent thought and forceful decision-making. I can wait a little while longer, as Tribunis Plebis urges, but not forever.

What we do to others we do

What we do to others we do to ourselves,there is no escape ..information like an idea can not be destroyed .

***American Nazis just aired

***American Nazis just aired the other day, & the similarities of the mind set of those involved & methods of those who helped & allowed Hitler to rise to Power were All To Easy to Compare to what we've seen going on Here in recent history! The Fear, the Hate, the Lies, the Propaganda, the Hypocrisy! Do you hear the Filthy Rich Complaining? Have Any Off Shore Banks been Investigated? How many CONvictions have sent our own Cronies to Prison? Where's Our Money? Why aren't the Republicans being Wiretapped by the CIA, the FBI, & the NSA? You think that over the past 8 Years NO CONspiracies have been Plotted & Carried out by Republicans to be Investigated, Prossecuted, & Exploited? To this day, the Minority stands in Lock step with the very Cronies that brought us This MESS! How Patriotic! No guessing if they're "With us or Against US!"***

Regarding the deeds

Regarding the deeds described by Hersch, where did our military at Abu Ghraib find the people who did these horrid things? Were extremely sick and cruel soldiers brought in specially for the job, or is this behavior intrinsic to American youth, most of whom grew up on ultra-violent films and video games? This is truly a Pandora's Box...

Right, L. D. Freitas, I

Right, L. D. Freitas, I agree with what you wrote, and thank you for saving me having to put into words what I am feeling about this. No one, Presidents and all their men/women, is above the law. If these tortures are indeed on tape, the sky will fall for these American leaders who approved them and chose to look the other way. This is NOT our way of behaving as a military, a Country that I believe in, and until justice is served, we cannot hold our heads up high.

If I remember correctly, a

If I remember correctly, a private contractor company named C.A.C.I. was running Abu Ghraib, I think they should be investigated too. I watched some one from the ACLU being interviewed, and he said that the decision is not Obama's to make, it's the courts. Hopefully they make the right one.

A movement to clean our

A movement to clean our government house! NO RE-ELECTIONS FOR ANYONE! There is too much dirt under all of them.... New Americans that will represent the people!

This makes me nearly

This makes me nearly apoplectic at so much injustice. Go to www.indictbushnow.org and show your support for bringing these war criminals to justice. We can and will prevail, if we ALL speak up NOW!

Here's another possibility:

Here's another possibility: Reports that the torture of Iraq war/terrorists included sodomizing children while women watched, seem to me to actually be descriptions of psychopaths getting their rocks off, under the disguise of torture--is that what Cheney, etc. are worried will be revealed--a genuine attempt to create a Morlock/Eloi culture, even on a small scale, one that operates while the normal world goes about its business? Does this involve a bizarre, raw, rampant lust for power and domination, resulting in the desire to occasionally rape and kill children, etc. to feel that raw "power", the inevitable result, for psychopaths, of following ideas like "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law", with no moral compass to "weigh them down"?

Cheney was greasing the

Cheney was greasing the wheels for torture well in advance of having any prisoners precisely because torture was known to be a reliable way of producing what Cheney refers to as "actionable intelligence." Of course, "actionable intelligence" need not have been true or even remotely accurate as long as it was useful for Cheney’s purposes. Torture (especially repetitive torture) was uniquely suited to fabricating "actionable intelligence" as Cheney’s victims eventually learned to create whatever sort of details the Torturer in Chief sought (such as a link between 9/11 and Iraq).

Don Alejandro: Good point.

Don Alejandro: Good point. Along these lines, it's also been shown that the methods of torture that the Bush Jr. administration used, originated as attempts to "reverse-engineer" the torture methods developed by the North Koreans and Chinese during the Korean War, whose purpose was partly to extract false confessions from US troops for propaganda purposes. The same purpose was used by the Bush administration.

Why, I ask you, is Cheney

Why, I ask you, is Cheney out there confessing to torture and defending torture? I'll tell you why. It is because he is using torture as a red herring to distract people from much worse things he's done. But those "worse things" are not just a more shocking form of torture. It's his complicity in 9/11. It's true, folks. Since the publication in early April i of a scientific paper, "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe" by Harrit, Jones, Ryan, et. al., pressure for opening a new investigation into 9/11 that does NOT take place under the auspices of the Bush administration. The paper may be read or downloaded at: http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM It's very readable. Find out for yourself. Tony Wicher Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth ae911truth.org

I agree that what Dick

I agree that what Dick Cheney and George Bush, and Rumsfeld, and most of the rest of the Bush administration have done was disgusting. I agree that Justice will not be done until the photos come out and these men make a one-way trip to The Hague. However, I want to make a plea for caution, based on history. Ancient Rome was once a republic, as many of you know. During the period in which the republic turned into a dictatorship, there were rival parties in the government. The parties began to revenge themselves on their adversaries with each switch of power. Eventually, there were assassinations, and it became clear that no consul could abdicate power safely. When retaining power becomes the only means of self-protection, the regular change of regieme will halt. The Republic collapsed. We are living in very dangerous times. What would have happened if Bush and Cheney thought that losing the election were tantamount to losing their lives? Would they have let go the reins of power?

Blackmail info from illegal

Blackmail info from illegal wiretaps/monitoring of phone calls, e-mails, correspondence can be used to squash any investigations or prosecutions of these war criminals. FBI Director Hoover stayed in power for decades using illegally obtained info that could be used to blackmail opponents into submission. Cheney also knows the huge advantages of having "dirt" on his enemies and fought hard for wiretapping early into the Bush/Cheney regime. What pressures did the Cheney/Rove folks apply to Pelosi to have her take "impeachment off the table"? Watch for selective leaks of info or trumped-up prosecutions that serve to intimidate/destroy any politician who threatens the Neocon criminals or the Military/Industrial/Oil/Wall Street Complex (e.g. Elliot Spitzer, Congr. Harman, etc.). They don't mind outing CIA agents either if it shuts up their opponents/critics.

There was sufficient loyalty

There was sufficient loyalty remaining in our military to prevent Cheney from staging an out-and-out coup. That's the only reason it didn't happen. Needless to say, we can't let the biggest mass murderers and traitors in the country's history get away with it, unless we want a permanent coup the next time. Time is running short, and if the truth of 9/11 does not come out soon, another terrorist incident will be engineered and there will in fact be such a coup.

We are truly a nation of

We are truly a nation of lemmings. When are we going to demand that all those who ordered, or merely condoned, the torture at Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo and all the other prisons be prosecuted? When will GWB and Dick Cheney being wearing orange jumpsuits? When are the people of this country going to wake up and scream in outrage? I am not holding my breath....

There are sadists and real

There are sadists and real devils out there and there needs to be a reckoning. Who was sodomizing the children? I can't find the answer in the article. Obama shouldn't be the one to prosecute the war criminals. That is up to the Justice Department. I believe it is all going to come out possibly sooner than later. It's on a roll now. If it doesn't come out, we will not be able to decide if the CIA lied to congress and that is a big question out in the air right now. Or maybe Pelosi doesn't get justice and they just blame the whole torture mess on her and nothing changes. "Only in America" takes on a whole new meaning, and it's very ugly.

The more Cheney,

The more Cheney, Limbaugh,Sessions,Boehner, and the rest of Republican chamber of horrors speak the more they expose of their true selves. These are horrible human beings, they are cut from the same cloth as the terrorists we call our enemies. Their ideologies and methods are mirror images of one another which include, religious intolerance, lies, propaganda, war, and torture. The very names Cheney and Limbaugh and what they stand for are the reasons for the mass exodus from the Republican party. The Republican party is dead, long live freedom.

It is the unseen face that

It is the unseen face that plays the hand... 911 was directed by the Rothschild clan over in London where the seat of economic control commands the military seat of power in DC and the spiritual seat of power in the vatican... the thermite was assisted by stolen Tesla technology / directed energy weapons to turn most of the towers into dust... google Dr. Judy Wood and read her expose... see how a manufactured hurricane sat offshore that day and was used [field effects] to dustify the towers... this is part of the Eisenhower warning of unwarranted power...

Anyone reading this has a

Anyone reading this has a powerful tool at their disposal, it is so easy to copy and send this and other Truthout articles to an enormous audience. Ask friends to make hard copies and show to anyone who doesn't have access to a computer. The lemmings may not be in the street but they are informed and they sure are in cyberspace.

If Obama goes along as he

If Obama goes along as he seems to be doing now, all of these wars will be his. And when they all fail the Republicans will blame him.....not the ones who started them. He has six months to really do something different. I'm not sure he really is brave enough to go after the old administration and his own members of congress who supported the wars and torture. Vietnam Vet 67-68

Want to know why torture

Want to know why torture doesn't work? Watch the 60 minutes episode from about a year ago where they interview the man who interrogated Saddam Hussein. He befriended him, and learned everything. This is an effective example that is not often brought up, and further proof that torture is wrong and ineffective.

60 minutes interview part

60 minutes interview part I: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNWmCjSACv0

If we keep the pressure

If we keep the pressure up..eventually, President Obama will do the right thing. The citizens of the World must demand it...Your representatives must demand it....We must demand to be heard.

Dick Cheney continues to

Dick Cheney continues to sell himself as some sort of hero against terror, continuing to pander to the most fearful among us. The real heroes are the men and women in harms way confronting our enemies face to face every day in Iraq & Afghanistan. Real heroes are the men and women of the NYFD, NYPD and Port Authority who selflessly rushed to the rescue at the World Trade Center. Dick Cheney is by no definition a hero as he was swept to his secret bunker in a top secret location. Dick is a liar and a coward.

Usually when a politician

Usually when a politician speaks when it is not required is to save their bacon. This canary could be signaling a major change that will put him at personal risk. Why else, that aren't scared of criticism?

I would like to point to our

I would like to point to our new president that it may seem now like the better thing to do, that is, to keep the abuse pictures under lock and key instead of letting them be subject to the sunlight of public opinion. Keep the public from becoming furious or worse. Save the public the agony of exposing, indicting and punishing their elected officials. What a mess our president could avoid by keeping everything cool, calm and collected, all horrors under cover. However in the longrun the truth MUST come out and will come out. BEST WE FACE IT AND OURSELVES NOW.

Sometimes the best response

Sometimes the best response is to laugh at it, as in the following that is going around: Question: What is the difference between Lon and Dick? Answer: Lon Chaney played an evil monster in the movies; Dick is the real thing.

Am I the only one who fears

Am I the only one who fears that Chaney and his madmen industrial associates will bring on another 9/11 to justify their actions and then blame Obama for making the US vulnerable? Seems obvious, god help us all.