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What to Do About Guantanamo?

by: Juan Cole  |  Informed Comment

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After the House and Senate voted down his proposal to close the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, President Obama defended the request during a speech at the National Archives. (Photo: Getty Images)

    The US Congress is refusing to allow President Obama to close the Guantanamo Bay prison, a symbol of torture and abuse. Apparently their vote was driven by fears of public backlash if those detained were brought to prisons in the US. Obama had failed to specify exactly what would happen to the prisoners when the facility was closed, but one is slated to be tried in New York for the attacks on the US embassies in East Africa in 1998.

    I don't understand the controversy. Perpetrators of the embassy bombings have already been tried and convicted in a New York court, some years ago, and are serving sentences in US supermax penitentiaries. Why would Gailani's trial and, assuming he were convicted, imprisonment be different?

    And, weren't dangerous Nazis imprisoned in the US during WW II?

    I don't actually think the US public wants to go on torturing people and holding individuals indefinitely without trial and without rights. Uh, the Declaration of Independence didn't speak of the rights of US citizens. It said "all men" have the rights it set out.

    A federal judge has already rejected Obama's right, which he recently asserted, to keep people in prison for having shown "substantial support" (but short of taking up arms) for e.g. the Taliban. If you wanted to jail people for thinking well of the Taliban, you'd have to imprison 5% of the Afghan population, or nearly a million and a half people, and 14% of the Pakistani population, or about 24 million people.

    Obama had better do something quick or he'll be forced just to let a lot of the prisoners go. Andy Worthington argues that many at Guantanamo were randomly picked up anyway, with some sold to the US by the Taliban!

    I'm against the military tribunals. But why can't you hold civilian trials at Guantanamo Bay? District it as part of some civil US jurisdiction US and send a jury over. You could declare all civilians at Guantanamo Bay under the jurisdiction of the Virgin Islands federal District Court, e.g. You could use the security and facilities of the military base for the civilian trials. Those convicted could go into a supermax penitentiary in the US, from which no one has escaped, and which already hold Ahmed Rassam and Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman (look them up; few at Guantanamo are more dangerous). Or maybe since the Congress is so exercised by this issue, they will want to refurbish and start back up Alcatraz ...

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    Juan Cole is President of the Global Americana Institute.

  

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How many of the prisoners at

How many of the prisoners at Guantanamo are really terrorists? How many have been tried and convicted of actually committing violent acts? How many are there just because the illegitimate 'administration' needed some scapegoats and threw them in jail without evidence or a semblance of due process, just because of how they looked, what they said, or where they were born?

Keep it open for Bush, et al

Keep it open for Bush, et al and their accomplices.

President Obama must stop

President Obama must stop assuming our congressional representatives are intelligent enough or remember history well enough to understand what his intentions are. He must explain in detail, before and not after, why he is making his proposals and with ALL the information he can muster for any bill or program or policy he wants to get passed.

How many Cubans manage to

How many Cubans manage to arrive on the US coast every year? Where did all those "boat people" from many years ago come from? Wasn't that Guantanamo or close to it? What's so freakin' SAFE about Guantanamo? Doesn't anyone remember that Bush/Cheney only opened Guantanamo because they couldn't bring all the terrists to the US and wipe out their rights? That's all it was about - extra-legal behavior that wasn't "safe" - just convenient.

The solution is simple;

The solution is simple; void the lease for Guantanamo and give back the base to the Cubans. We cannot hold our prisoners in another country's sovereign territory; and what a fine way to initiate a new post-blockage/embargo era ! There would be some convulsions and heart attacks from some, but with national health care those repercussions would be managible.

i actually don't think

i actually don't think people have a problem with them coming to the US. the Repubs are making that up. and anybody who is afraid of them is a fool. i also think that there are a lot of people out here who do not care about the torture at all. we got a lot 'o sick people in this country. and um, the difference between Guantanamo Bay and the rest of Cuba... well, the rest of Cuba is not a US military base...

Decent article and Obama's

Decent article and Obama's shortcomings in this area need to be further amplified and publicized. All this talk about the dangers of bringing the terrorists to the U.S. is so much absolute nonsense. How can anyone fall for it. Has anyone read what it is like in one of these supermax prisons? If you are a high level prisoner, they put you in solitary, you only get out of your cell one hour a day to exercise alone in the prison yard. People who are incarcerated in these conditions very long soon literally go stir crazy. Also, regards his other points, I have read that only 5% of the Gitmao detainees were captured by U.S. forces; a whole lot were captured and turned over by Afghani, Pakistani, etc. forces in order to get the large bounty. While the Pentagon just claimed that one out of seven released from Gitmo returned to fight us, there has been little or no documentation of that. A Seton Hall professor was able to get some names and found out that the Pentagon counted people who had spoken out in articles or appeared in documentaries and done other such non-violent actions as among those supposedly fighting the US. Also, David Shuster on MSNBC pointed out that the 1 in 7 rate (even if true), is a much lower rate of recidivism than among the U.S. prison population. I recommend that anyone interested read The Dark Side by Jane Mayer and Oath Betrayed by Dr. Steven Miles.

The Close Guantanamo failure

The Close Guantanamo failure in Congress is Republican-led fear mongering, as is the fake immigration problem" also fed by the Republicans who have become adept in fear-mongering which they learned so well from their professors Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al. Previous commentators to this article are correct in saying the US prisons are secure enough to house the most vicious and heinous criminals. Here again, Obama is afraid to buck US read: Limbaugh, Cheney "sentiment"'