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Taguba Saw "Video of Male Soldier Sodomizing Female Detainee"

by: Jason Leopold, t r u t h o u t | Report

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    In 2007, shortly after he was forced into retirement, Army Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba made a startling admission. During the course of his investigation into the abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib, Taguba said he saw "a video of a male American soldier in uniform sodomizing a female detainee."

    Taguba told New Yorker reporter Seymour Hersh that he saw other graphic photos and videos as well, including one depicting the "sexual humiliation of a father with his son, who were both detainees."

    That video, as well as photographs Taguba saw of US soldiers raping and torturing Iraqi prisoners, remains in the possession of the Army's Criminal Investigation Division (CID).

    Taguba said he did not discuss details of the photographs and videos in his voluminous report on abuses at Abu Ghraib because of the Army's ongoing criminal probe and the photographs' "extremely sensitive nature."

    Taguba's report on the widespread abuse of prisoners did say that he found credible a report that a soldier had sodomized "a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick."

    The rape video, or photographs like it, "was not made public in any of the subsequent court proceedings, nor has there been any public government mention of it," Hersh wrote. "Such images would have added an even more inflammatory element to the outcry over Abu Ghraib."

    Now, a report in Britain's Daily Telegraph this week stating that the photographs and video Taguba first described to Hersh two years ago were the ones the Obama administration has decided against releasing to the American Civil Liberties Union in a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit has done just that.

    But the photographs described by the Telegraph are not those at the center of the five-year-old lawsuit between the Bush administration and the ACLU that Obama had agreed earlier this year to release.

    Two weeks ago, after Obama decided against releasing the photographs, the Telegraph published a report along with several pictures depicting Iraqi prisoners being abused, implying that they were the ones Obama was withholding. That report was also incorrect, as the photographs the Telegraph published two weeks ago had first surfaced in 2006.

    The photographs Obama has decided to withhold, as first reported by Truthout, are several dozen taken in 2003 and 2004 in which US Army soldiers in Afghanistan took dozens of pictures of their colleagues pointing assault rifles and pistols at the heads and backs of hooded and bound detainees.

    Another photograph, found on a government computer, showed two male soldiers and one female soldier pointing a broom to one detainee "as if I was sticking the end of a broom stick into [his] rectum," according to the female soldier's account to an Army criminal investigator.

    The documents that describe many of the photographs that had been set for release this month were housed on the ACLU's web site. The ACLU obtained files describing the pictures in 2005 as part of the organization's Freedom of information Act lawsuit against the Bush administration seeking documents related to the treatment of "war on terror" prisoners in US custody.

    Amrit Singh, an ACLU staff attorney, confirmed that the photographs described in documents posted on the group's web site were those that President Obama has decided to withhold, fearing the disclosure would stoke anti-American sentiment and endanger US troops.

    White House press secretary Robert Gibbs and Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman suggested Thursday that the rape photographs don't exist. That's not true. They are just not part of the photographs Obama was set to release this month.

    The appeals court panel ordered the 21 photographs taken in Afghanistan and Iraq depicting detainee abuse to be released. About 23 other pictures taken at undisclosed locations in Iraq and Afghanistan were also subject to release. There was speculation that, beyond these photographs, as many as 2,000 others may also be released.

    The Army's Criminal Investigation Division retains control over the most graphic images and videos depicting prisoner abuse and torture. The photographs and videos are classified, according to several high-ranking Pentagon officials.

    The ACLU first filed its FOIA lawsuit seeking to obtain images in December 2003.

    Last September, the US Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit ordered the prisoner-abuse photos released. The Bush administration challenged the ruling, and in March the court denied that appeal petition.

    The appeals court also shot down the Bush administration's attempt to radically expand FOIA exemptions for withholding the photos, stating that the Bush administration had attempted to use the FOIA exemptions as "an all-purpose damper on global controversy."

    The appeals panel added that releasing the photographs "is likely to further the purposes of the Geneva Conventions by deterring future abuse of prisoners."

    In April, the Obama administration had agreed to release the photos because the Justice Department said it did not believe it could convince the Supreme Court to review the case. In court papers this week, the Obama administration indicated that it now intends to appeal the case to the Supreme Court.

  

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Jason Leopold is the Deputy Managing Editor at Truthout. He is the author of the Los Angeles Times bestseller, News Junkie, a memoir. Visit www.newsjunkiebook.com for a preview.

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It is TERRIBLY disheartening

It is TERRIBLY disheartening that the Obama administration is trying to prevent release of ANY such photographs. The disturbing and shocking nature of their content is PRECISELY why they MUST be released, so the abusers, their commanders who ordered or approved the abuse, and the civilian government that provided the "legal cover" for the abuse can ALL be brought to justice. ONLY THE FULL TRUTH can begin to erase the stain of this despicable episode in our nation's history.

Truth; one insult after

Truth; one insult after another. As the perpetrators of the spread of "Freedom" to Iraq, Afghanistan and now Pakistan, why would any of the architects of this grand scheme want we, the proud if uninformed-tax-dollars-at-work-sponsors of this ever onward crush of reason and beings want us to know what we, either tacitly or vociferously, have been sold and then embraced, fueled, justified, tolerated and even consecrated? Are the big kids talkin' to the Prez' about truth and consequences? Or just whispering, hinting to all of us?

I think we understand that

I think we understand that any group can be led to do things they would never have dreamt of, given power over others and corrupt leadership. I'd like to concentrate on those who created the war and the "legal", social, and emotional conditions that caused these acts before we focus on the individual acts and the poor ruined souls who committed them. We're court marshaling privates and sergeants and letting the great monsters go in the confusion. That is precisely the wrong way to prevent the same thing from happening again. Our first priority should be that the leaders must pay for their crimes.

Take this with Cindy

Take this with Cindy Sheehan's recent essay: this is the Freedom for which US soldiers die? This???

Mother of God! Excuse me

Mother of God! Excuse me while I retch. What happened to our troops?!!! OK, there were "orders from headquarters" to mete out torture -- which is despicable enough. But where did the carte blanche to sexually brutalize and commit other atrocities on Iraqis come from? I knew the recruiters were having to meet their quotas with some slimy tactics, but this is just berserk. Who are we?

In time all will come out,

In time all will come out, Obama is doing nothing more than a stall that will not succeed. The raw ugliness of this despicable period of our history cannot be forever contained. The world will know what this country did and it will go very badly. Shame on everyone involved.

I am a strong supporter of

I am a strong supporter of the Obama administration. During the campaign, Barack and Joe promised transparency. The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth is still a principle that should be held as sacrosanct. Under the Bush-Cheney regime truth was sacrificed on the altar of expediency. Release of the tapes and criminal prosecution of the torturers and those who authorized them should convince the fair-minded of the world that real change has taken place in the American government.

this is totally disgusting

this is totally disgusting and sad. what can we do? what can we do? If ppl do not start talking about this sort of thing in their lives, at work, then we will be left to posting on message boards. Who is fighting this?Legal battles are one thing. Our representatives must know our outrage.

Here's a US World Domination

Here's a US World Domination Tour list: Mexico 1834 - 1848 Greece 1947 Korea 1950 - 1953 Cuba 1961 Dominican Republic 1963/65 Vietnam 1964 - 1972 Chile 1973 Cambodia 1970- 1975 Iran 1979 Grenada 1983 Panama 1989 Saudia Arabia/Iraq 1991 Somalia 1993 Haiti 1994 Yugoslavia 1999 Afghanistan 2001 - ? So who are the terrorists?

Nothing will "cleanse" the

Nothing will "cleanse" the national id, for these acts were ALLOWED to happen, given the tenor of the propaganda: we will be hit again, and perhaps even a more devastating attack. Our "representatives" took cover, fearing a "backlash" painting them with the tar brush called "the war on terror". Now the recriminations begin, as in Germany after the war, when there was total amnesia of the atrocities committed by the Nazis. Our new president is reluctant to release photographs of the most heinous acts of the perpetrators' underlings. We must get to those who masterminded this American atrocity.

What the Hell is going on?

What the Hell is going on? I mean, Obama has to choose between nailing the criminals (Chaney/Rumsfelt/Tennant/ oh yes, I almost forgot Bush) or joining them. Does he have no survival instinct? "Sorry about that" but Obama should not allow himself to be dragged down, in a futile attempt to protect the guilty. Peace!

I have no doubt of any of

I have no doubt of any of the torture descriptions I reject torture and don't need to see any of the pictures or videos. I have read of people telling about the torture and that is good enough for me to say STOP it and punish those that permitted it. Don't punish the ones that were told to do it, even by contractors. The contractors should have their contracts canceled immediately, Why haven't they been including the contracts for electrical work where soldiers have been electrocuted taking a shower. HAving the in the fighting zone, threaatening the lives and well being and then electrocuted taking a shower. Totally unacceptable.

The solution is not to

The solution is not to release them into the public (they are pornography), but to use these photographs as evidence in the prosecution of the crimes committed in them-- ie prosecute the soldiers doing the abuse and the soldiers abetting and photographing it. Let the world see the US pursue justice. Yes, our troops are already in enough danger-- but so are our souls.

Sorry, it all cascades from

Sorry, it all cascades from the top in the military. Does anyone believe that these were just rogue soldiers, after hours and unsupervised? This was all part of the plan. Talk about Nazi atrocities. This is absolutely war crimes and the heads should start rolling from the top down. We aint seen nothin yet.

"Release of the tapes and

"Release of the tapes and criminal prosecution of the torturers and those who authorized them should convince the fair-minded of the world that real change has taken place in the American government." Reginald, refusal to do so proves that it has not.

Obama is goig to be

Obama is goig to be identified with the previous administration if he defends the withholding of the photos. Why doesn't he allow prosecution. Ok to encourage it might rile the right wing- but he should allow it to go forward. Others will do the heavy lifting. He is risking looking his supporters if he continues in Afghanistan adn defending the olf regime.

I recently saw the video

I recently saw the video shot shortly after 911 where Bush makes a statement something along the lines of, "We did nothing to provoke this attack." Will President Obama be able to make the same claim when the karma next comes home to roost?

In the meantime the

<> In the meantime the soldiers who committed these acts and the Commanding Officers and government leaders who not only allowed this to happen and even encouraged it are going unpunished. I do not believe there would be repercussions if the perpetrators were exposed and punished. The whole moral fiber of our country is being held hostage to "saving face." We could best "save Face" by bringing these offenders to justice. Spouses, parents,children and lovers of these men and women need to know what these people have done. I would want to know. Maybe it explains the increase in suicides, spousal and child abuse among returnees from Iraq. Ft. Campbell just shut down for three days after a rash of suicides. The cruelties of war, whether to you or by you, affect us. There is nothing "noble" about war. It destroys.

Luis has said it: Who are

Luis has said it: Who are the terrorists? The photos do not need to be released but something needs to be done SOON to nail those responsible or the current administration will be tarred by the same brush as previous ones. Change? It's not that "We can do it" but "We MUST do it".

These soldiers were taught

These soldiers were taught these methods, UK forces taught torture methods by David Leigh The Guardian, Saturday 8 May 2004 http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2004/may/08/iraq.iraq "The sexual humiliation of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison was not an invention of maverick guards, but part of a system of ill-treatment and degradation used by special forces soldiers that is now being disseminated among ordinary troops and contractors who do not know what they are doing, according to British military sources. The techniques devised in the system, called R2I - resistance to interrogation - match the crude exploitation and abuse of prisoners at the Abu Ghraib jail in Baghdad. One former British special forces officer who returned last week from Iraq, said: "It was clear from discussions with US private contractors in Iraq that the prison guards were using R2I techniques, but they didn't know what they were doing." He said British and US military intelligence soldiers were trained in these techniques, which were taught at the joint services interrogation centre in Ashford, Kent, now transferred to the former US base at Chicksands. "There is a reservoir of knowledge about these interrogation techniques which is retained by former special forces soldiers who are being rehired as private contractors in Iraq. Contractors are bringing in their old friends". Using sexual jibes and degradation, along with stripping naked, is one of the methods taught on both sides of the Atlantic under the slogan "prolong the shock of capture", he said. "

Ame-rica, Ame-rica, God shed

Ame-rica, Ame-rica, God shed his grace on thee... The lies of the United States, the brutal torture, the invasions and genocides. These are the reasons why over time, we will have fewer and fewer friends and more and more enemies, both internal and external. Read the lyrics and listen to Jackson Browne's song "For America" and watch it at ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK8ydcnaVnw ) By the dawn's early light/ By all I know is right/ We're going to reap what we have sown/ As if freedom was a question of might/ As if loyalty was black and white/ You hear people say all the time--/ "My country wrong or right"/ I want to know what that't got to do/ With what it takes to find out what's true/ With everyone from the President on down/ Trying to keep it from you

So, the torture issue is

So, the torture issue is being used to distract us from the ongoing Mideast Genocide. I'm sure the countless Iraqi, Afghan and Pakistani civilian dead and maimed would have preferred to get water- boarded.

Like so many others, I am

Like so many others, I am revolted, sickened, saddened, and angry that these crimes were committed by American soldiers and others under orders from the morally bankrupt Bush administration. I think the whole lot of them, including Bush, should be in prison. Yet I have mixed feelings about releasing the worst of the torture photos at this point in time. Our military and government personnel in Iraq and Afghanistan bear the brunt of the anger many in the Middle East feel towards America, and their lives are in danger because of it. It's probably true that releasing these sexually graphic and brutal photographs would further inflame the Middle East and put Americans both at home and abroad at much greater risk. I'm convinced that President Obama made the controversial decision not to release the photos because he doesn't want to lose more American lives. There's no good choice here, no way to fix this horrible, sadistic, misguided mess except to prosecute the guilty parties, make sure that it never happens again, and humbly ask the Middle East to forgive us.

The world now knows what the

The world now knows what the photos and videos contain. The damage has been done when it comes to world opinion and morale of the troops, so releasing them seems moot, unless it’s as evidence during prosecution and trial of those responsible, starting with Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush and Rice. It was animals (disguised as humans) who condoned and perpetrated these evil acts. Can it be that instead of bringing the change and transparency to Washington that he repeatedly promised us during his months of campaigning, Obama is throwing in his lot with Cheney/Rumsfeld/Bush/Rice/et al? If so, what an incredible betrayal of all the people who voted for him (myself included)! Highly recommend you follow the link in the article to the Seymour Hersh story. VERY disturbing but also affirms that there are still "a few good men" made of honor and courage who serve in the top leadership of our military. Army Major General Taguba is a GENUINE patriot and a true American hero, and it is unconscionable that he was forced to retire early for finding and revealing the truth.

I'm certain - positive that

I'm certain - positive that I must be lying in coma in some third world country or something and the last few years I really have not come to realize that everything I've believed in my entire life has been a sham. That I was not .. could NOT have been following this kind of tyrannized government. Because anything less then coma - makes me want to hurt someone. I don't want to see the photo's myself - just the realization that type of criminal activity existed in my beloved country is enough for me. Anyone and I mean anyone who knew of it, participated in it, seen it - or could have stopped it need to be brought to justice .. they cannot be allowed to get away with this.

We also "betray our own

We also "betray our own (humanity)" by accepting as legitimate the arguments of former VP Cheney, et als. that "enhanced interrogation techniques" were not torture and therefore not war crimes that demand the severest of punishment. It is morally wrong and totally unacceptable to "put the past behind us" and "move on" to "more pressing" current problems. Certainly, health care, energy, environmental degradation, etc. are serious concerns that demand attention. But to ignore, justify, rationalize or sweep under the rug such crimes against humanity as were committed in the name of the American people is almost as great an outrage as the crimes themselves. And, those who do not demand a full investigation of the torturers, their attorney-enablers and, most importantly, their political superiors, are morally complicit in the crimes. It is time to set our tortured democracy on the right path again.

When is enough ENOUGH? When

When is enough ENOUGH? When will Obama and his adminstration, along with Senate and House, DEMAND that Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld and Rice be brought to justice? When will they continue to be shielded from the same kind of punishment they approved and encouraged? Do we need mass protests to bring about some measure of justice?

Hello, I am previlidged to

Hello, I am previlidged to have read all the previous comments - and appreciate that not all Americans are evil. President Obama may well have meant well with his outpourings - but the reality is that he has retained people of the same calibre as the previous disgraced administration. He has promised 'no change in policy' just a different approach - so with extreme regret - I cannot foresee any other road but disaster ahead - for America and the World - because the real people behind the scenes will not stop pushing the envelope in their quest for dominance - until one of the invented enemies respond - then there will be war of the world. Americas policies vis-a-vis (NATO's determined supremacy agenda and the UN's enforced in-effectiveness and moral insolvency) - will lead each day to the ultimate result - world war 3.

So my tax dollars are going

So my tax dollars are going to this yet again and over and over? The complaining from Republican pundits over where federal spending should go results in this kind of activity? Protesters are arrested when they voice their dissent against these acts and then are penalized, while torture is maintained with no results? I am constantly outraged by this and what is frustrating is that our voices are not heard. If we as a body send letters to the White House under Obama's administration, will our voices be heard or muted once again? How long to I have to continuously be ripped off with tax dollars that I have no choice to decide where it is spent, and how my understanding of what democracy is and maintained, even in the military?

Granny, "Enough" is enough

Granny, "Enough" is enough when WE THE PEOPLE say it's enough. The President, the House and the Senate will do only what they have to do to stay in power. WE THE PEOPLE must DEMAND this accountability from our elected officials and relentlessly HOLD THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE until all the architects and perpetrators of this indefensible United States Torture Policy are fairly tried and justly sentenced for their crimes against against the constitution, American people, and for their crimes against humanity. No matter how long this takes, WE THE PEOPLE MUST NOT REST until this justice is served or else we are just as guilty for allowing these crimes to go unpunished. We are losing our Democracy, and we've allowed, bullies, thugs and tyrants to drag this country into the depths of hell. WE THE PEOPLE are the last line of defense if we are to continue this great 233 year old Democratic experiment. Now, it's up to us, to not let this go away.

"One former British special

"One former British special forces officer who returned last week from Iraq, said: "It was clear from discussions with US private contractors in Iraq that the prison guards were using R2I techniques, but they didn't know what they were doing." EXCUSE ME?! A man forcefully inserts his erect penis (or a broomstick or other object) into the anus of another man or a woman and rapes that person, but he doesn't know what he's doing? Wow! They really DO think we're all incredibly stupid!

I watched Bill Moyers TV

I watched Bill Moyers TV program last night where a documentary film was shown covering the tortures committed during the past 8 or 9 years. Words cannot describe the revulsion and disappointment I felt. To think our country would ever stoop to such inhumanity! Nothing justifies these acts. To have been involved in any way with these atrocities against another human being, or against any living creature, would haunt my conscience forever,

The people who are

The people who are responsible - each and every one of them - for these disgraceful acts must be held to the light and held accountable. By doing nothing, we - each and every one of us - are accessories.

The idea that by concealing

The idea that by concealing evidence we are keeping our enemies from finding out about us is an idea that won't wash. Of course our enemies know about us. They have been on the receiving end of all this. But then their relatives and neighbors know about it too. In fact I have yet to meet a Muslim who doesn't know about our atrocities. The real purpose is to keep Americans in the dark--and to circumvent the need for investigations and prosecution. Shame on Obama! (Yes, his plate is full; but this is ON HIS PLATE!)

Army Major General Antonio

Army Major General Antonio M. Taguba is a true American hero, a true Patriot in every sense of the word. Honest, principled, and courageous, he is a man who served his country HONORABLY for 34 years before he was forced to retire -- it would appear because he possessed and exercised his honesty, courage, and principles. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush, Rice and many of Taguba's military peers, both superior and subordinate in rank, merely PRETEND to be patriots, but they are NOT; they are criminals. Major General Taguba, thank you for your extraordinary, exceptional (and seemingly rare) patriotism and service to our country. You have my very deepest respect.

Unfortunately, torture and

Unfortunately, torture and abuse are often part of the "American Way." These crimes are covered up by the media and government. The organized ritual abuse of children is also covered up by the media and those that participate in these crimes or defend those that commit these crimes . For more information: http://ritualabuse.us

I guess that there is no

I guess that there is no "tranparency" concerning war crimes in the United States. All photographs and videos must be released to the world concerning sexual torture and and other torture the is against the Geneva Convention. The United States "used to be" a world leader before the Bush administration, and Obama was "supposed" to make that happen.

Yes, but consider that the

Yes, but consider that the people being victimized in these rape photographs have already been raped, that the act continues to be circulated through these images, and that international availability of these images would affect them in even more concrete ways for the rest of their lives. Consider for example Phan Thα»‹ Kim PhΓΊc, who is in a famous photograph of the Vietnam war. Or the attempt to find the true identity of "claw man" in the Abu Ghraib photographs. It would be a further violence against these victims to circulate the photographs. The only exception would be if they requested for the images to be released. Otherwise it would be unconscionable. It is not appropriate to circulate photographs of rape, period. A formal admission and serious charges against the aggressors is the best way to proceed.

And the nation wonders why

And the nation wonders why our young soldiers are committing suicide, going AWOL, deserting. Once this kids were raised in a decent manner until the GOP took over the government and made them all war criminals in the eyes of the world. And guess what. The real perverts (Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, Rumsfeld, Condoleeza Rice won't be facing war criminal charges. Thank to the GW Bush conservative Supreme Court Justices. They are as guilty as those perverts are! The stain will be on the flag of the USA for a thousand years! That is, if these republicans don't destroy the nation first!

The reason no one is going

The reason no one is going to be held to account for these and other atrocities is because Democrats and Republicans alike in our Government are all complicit in these crimes. The Executive Branch for implementing and Congress for allowing it to happen. Why do you think Impeachment was off the table? Why do you think Obama wants to look forward and not back. It is becuase all would fall. The only way justice is going to come about is if the American people get louder and angrier and force the issue to the forefront. You could almost make a conspiracy theory case for the Bush Administration engineering the economic collapse to distract the American People (again) from focusing on this, our National shame. I weep for our Country.

The sad and immoral thing is

The sad and immoral thing is that after all this TALK, there is ZERO action to STOP torture and/or investigate and prosecute accordingly. And that IS the real story!

I couldn't agree more with

I couldn't agree more with But Consider This. Have we lost all sense of privacy and decency? THese are not images for public consumption. When psychopaths rape and murder young girls and video their acts, the courts do not allow these images into the public domain. Are the Iraqi prisoners not in need of that same sensitivity and protection? It would be a new violation. The left have forgotten that these people are individuals. Please, please, let them stay forever out of the public domain. Let the case be prosecuted, and the let those who remained silent in the media and the public take their does of responsibility for the complicity of silence.

Obama or Obama's people or

Obama or Obama's people or Obama's proxies need to deal with past torture as well as continuing rendition of suspected terrorists and maintaining Bush-era military tribunals. If he doesn't do this, he will lose credibility with his "base" and also lose his essential Senate and House Democratic majorities. Obama will need all the support he can muster for the many other risky ventures he's embarked upon -- unprecedented tinkering with a crumbling economy; waging simultaneous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and expanding into unstable Pakistan; heading off Iranian and North Korean nuclear threats. Obama doesn't need to make public inflammatory photos, but he does need to clear the way for prosecution of those responsible for these crimes against humanity. Obama needs to get out of the way and let the chips fall.

Reading all the comments

Reading all the comments makes me appreciate the many issues of concerns about releasing the many pornographic torture photos we have still not seen. Compelling pros and cons. I believe these acts are crimes against humanity and should be vigorously prosecuted. I believe the reports and images I have already seen, I do not need more, I do not want to see more. I also do not see any good by flooding any of us further with images of such evil unless our purpose is to create enemies. Such images seer our souls and imaginations, and those of the children attempting to understand how leaders can go so wrong. Can any of us ever forget the hooded man standing on the box or the piles of naked bodies or the fangs of a dog in a terrified tied prisoner's face. Have we not seen enough? I support the request and demand for release, it has kept the issue from being swept into our collective back closet, but I also support the President in not releasing these sadistic images publicly. I welcome our return to the family of nations by renouncing all torture as against both the intrinsic worth of every life and never justified by our own belief in the righteousness of our cause.We can never be as sure as to make a projected noble end justify any means we choose to get us there. This was criminal behavior, cloaked by unworthy laws. It must be prosecuted fully - so it will not happen again and also be a sort of public penance before the world of the moral decency we wish to stand for. We need to ask for pardon for our fall from our own ideals and beg the forgiveness of all whose bodies, minds and hearts we have scarred or destroyed.

The talented writers here

The talented writers here who spin and deceive on behalf of the new war party (Democrats) are disgraceful. We all know that Obama is fighting against any meaningful investigation of Bush and Cheney for torture, and he is adamantly opposed to prosecution for these heinous crimes. By refusing to release the photos, he just gives us one more example of how he is covering for Bush, just as Pelosi did. The photos would result in many more people calling for proper investigation into torture, and for prosecution of the guilty......Bush Cheney and on down the chain. The most disingenuous liars here piously claiming that we need to respect peoples privacy are scum. We are raping and torturing people to this day under Obama. It is difficult to stop it when so many Obama trolls are out dominating the story at most of the so called progressive sites. Clearly, truthout has become just another propaganda outlet for war loving Democrats and has completely abandoned its principals by supporting all of the double talk by Democrats over this issue. A third party is needed as the two criminal outfits that now pass as national parties are treasonous scum who need to be replaced.

Would you support Torture

Would you support Torture after being forced to watch your wife or daughter being tortured or being threatened with Their rape? http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/26/mi5-jamil-rahman-torture-bangladesh http://tinyurl.com/qyqrjh AT ANGRYVOTERS dot ORG http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG Over 250,000 have signed Join them and call yourself a Patriot Politicians who Refuse to Enforce the Federal Law on Torture and Refuse to Protect Our Constitutional Rights, WILL NEVER Get You Single Payer Health Care. They Haven't The Courage .

there's a billion muslims, a

there's a billion muslims, a billion chinese, a billion indians... and 300 million 'americans'... there's 7 billion people in the world... and 300million 'americans'... the jig's up... and we're still dancing... like... eminem's digs in paris... a $19000 a night penthouse... the culture & society is toast... gm, chrysler, banks, healthcare, no jobs, 12 TRILLION in debt... WTF... maybe... if we invade north korea... that's the ticket... we now have wars in THREE countries... did anybody notice that sleight of hand... STILL in iraq... bu opened up a new front in pak-ee-stan... we've got some people calling to take out some targets in north korea... hmmmm.... 51% of us treasuries owned by foreign investors... maybe i'll take up rap... seemed to work well fo eminem...

"Do we need mass protests to

"Do we need mass protests to bring about some measure of justice?" Yes. Given the likelihood of protests happening in a country filled with an effective majority of people who hold on to the lie of their purity with a death grip, it doesn't look like justice will be happening for anyone anytime soon.

"I couldn't agree more with

"I couldn't agree more with But Consider This. Have we lost all sense of privacy and decency? THese are not images for public consumption." We have, in fact, long ago lost all sense of decency, or Cheney and conspirators would not now be walking free. In a nation of recalcitrant citizens that insist on holding onto the lie of the purity of America's intentions and actions in the world (indeed, no small number of Americans unabashedly support torture), the release of the photos is an absolutely necessary step in obtaining justice. As things currently stand, Cheney and conspirators are seemingly immune even from mere accusation, let alone investigation or prosecution for their part in these (and other) atrocities. If Americans aren't bothered enough by what they already know has been done, keeping evidence of the depravity that has been done won't improve the situation. If in fact our collective conscience is truly bothered by prospective release of the photos that would establish our guilt beyond question (again, not likely given how many Americans support torture), or if it will otherwise serve to galvanize people into finally taking action against our terrorist policies, there can be no better reason to release them.

"When psychopaths rape and

"When psychopaths rape and murder young girls and video their acts, the courts do not allow these images into the public domain. Are the Iraqi prisoners not in need of that same sensitivity and protection?" Yes, we will torture, but we won't publish graphic photos of the deed out of sensitivity to the privacy of the tortured. Aren't we Americans considerate of others?

10 MORE REASONS OBAMA IS

10 MORE REASONS OBAMA IS RIGHT not to have released these videos worldwide: 1) The American Military Uniform forever associated w/ RAPE & TORTURE 2) Pictures are worth 1000 words; much of the world is illiterate 3) No reason to air more dirty laundry when respect for U.S. already at all-time low 4) Arab culture, who don’t even allow women to bare skin outside, would be especially enraged/shamed 5) Recruiting power for our enemies 6) Graphic proof we broke Geneva Conventions by torture & rape of our POWs 7) Anti-American terrorist retribution all but guaranteed 8) These behaviors now morally forgivable by U.S. if our govt spreads this filth 9) ALL Americans become worldwide TARGETS for rape, sodomy, and sexual humiliation 10) Fear of this kidnapping/brutality kills the overseas tourism industry Eventually I believe the TRUTH will come out. I'm just glad our president has the TACT to do so w/out losing all dignity for our country in the process...

Suppressed for years - I

Suppressed for years - I remember media reports and "whispers" from the Hill leaked days after the Abu Ghraib scandal broke involving audio of the rape of a young detainee being played for Congress. Rumors of "porno" tapes involving military personnel and multiple partners circulated as well. The whole thing was clamped down immediately and we never heard of it again - till now. This means there was a wide, concerted cover up involving Congress and the press that lasted most of Bush's second term. Dan Rather, breaking his non-disclosure agreement, later confessed CBS knew about detainee abuse before Australian TV broke the scandal - and sat on stories like this while America re-elected Bush. Lastly, those who suggest these scandals were the exception and not the rule should review Seymour Hersh's reporting on Operation Copper Green, alleging Rumsfeld's undersecretary Stephen Cambone dispatched "black ops" into multiple brigades to "tune up" the natives, sending a decidedly top-down message of "shock and awe". Petraeus, according to Hersh, was sent stateside by Rumsfeld for barring these dirty infiltrators in his platoons, sticking to the manual and traditional American ethics the whole time.

Do we need anything more -

Do we need anything more - under the NΓΌremburg guidelines - to finally indict Bush, Cheney, Rumy AND GATES?

To anyone who doubts the

To anyone who doubts the wisdom of not releasing these images, I have seen some of the unreleased photos. These were passed around by the soldiers like baseball cards, and many more had been emailed back to the states. It's inevitable that hey will come out eventually. They are much worse than those most of you have seen. Much Much Worse. Rape, sodomy and sadism, prisoners of both sexes. All at the hands of men in US uniforms. Visual proof of these filthy, obscene and degrading acts would instantly ignite the tinderbox of Muslim feelings around the world, all over the world -- France, England, Mideast, the US, everywhere. Perhaps in this case discretion is indeed the better part of valour.

Meet the new boss, same as

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Change we can be ashamed of.

The facts seem to show that

The facts seem to show that the torture of the 'enemy combatants' by American soldiers can be attributed to military policy from the top. Even though I find England, Granier and the other torturers contemptuous, they were maligned and imprisoned by those in charge of the torture program. I want their cases throw out and justice pursued. With so many lives lost and destroyed by the Bush/Cheney mob, I have no problem with a real investigation and justice served.

Military law is very clear

Military law is very clear on the fact that an unlawful order must be disobeyed by any servicemember who has sworn to uphold the Constitution (and thus the law). An order - no matter how high up it's issued - to sodomize a captive is an unlawful order and must be disobeyed by the servicemember. If Obama has declined to publicize the photos because they will become evidence in the Trial of All Centuries, then there will be a resolution to this appallingly un-American situation. Keep the Faith (in the law).