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Baucus Tells Single-Payer Advocates No

by: David Swanson  |  AfterDowningStreet.org

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Sen. Max Baucus, second from the left, discussing health care reform with President Barack Obama, Vice President Joe Biden and Sen. Charles Grassley. (Photo: The White House)

    Sen. Max Baucus met on Wednesday with advocates for single-payer health care, including Sen. Bernie Sanders, and told them that he might drop criminal charges against 13 people arrested for speaking up in his hearings, but that he would not include any supporters of single-payer health coverage in any future hearings. According to one report, Baucus suggested that he'd been mistaken to exclude single payer, but asserted that the process of creating health care reform legislation was too far along now to correct that omission.

    Senator Sanders said after the meeting that if health care reform did not create a single-payer system it shouldn't be done at all, and that within three or four years we would realize we'd solved nothing. He said that it would be better to increase funding for community health centers and take steps to make it easier for medical students to go into primary care, than to enact major reforms that didn't go to the root of the problem.

    Sanders has a bill (S 486) that makes some of the changes he advocates, as well as a bill (S 703) to facilitate the creation by states of single-payer health care systems. Congresswoman Tammy Baldwin has introduced resolutions on the same topic in the House. Dr. Margaret Flowers, co-chair of the Maryland chapter of Physicians for a National Health Program (PNHP), attended a press conference following the meeting on Wednesday and filled me in. She said that while states are pursuing single-payer legislation, it would be much easier for them to succeed if they had waivers allowing federal health care dollars to go to the states, and if needed changes were made to the Employee Retirement Income Security Act.

    Advocates of single payer emerged from the meeting with Baucus declaring their determination to push ahead with what they see as a fundamental struggle for human rights. Rose Ann DeMoro, executive director of the California Nurses Association/National Nurses Organizing Committee and national vice president of the AFL-CIO, said the fight for single payer is a civil rights movement and that people "have to turn up the heat." When someone questions the political viability of single payer, she said, we should question "allowing people to die and suffer for lack of political will."

    The press conference, in which Baucus did not participate, was attended by The New York Times, Politico, The Associated Press, Pacifica Radio, Congressional Quarterly and a camera that Flowers believed belonged to CNN. Sanders opened the press conference with a statement on the domination of the private for-profit health insurance companies wasting $350 billion per year in billing, profiteering and complexity. If we were serious about health care reform, he said, we would be having a serious discussion of single payer.

    Dr. Marcia Angell, former editor-in-chief of the New England Journal of Medicine and senior lecturer at Harvard, said that in her diagnosis, the disease was market-driven health care in which access is based on the ability to pay.

    Dr. David Himmelstein, co-founder of PNHP and associate professor medicine at Harvard Medical School, reported that Baucus had said he might be willing to drop charges of unlawful conduct and disruption of Congress against 13 people but had no intention of opening up any hearings to include single payer. Himmelstein also announced the release of two new studies. The first, being released Wednesday, reportedly finds that some of the largest investors in tobacco stock are private health insurance companies. The second, to be released Thursday, reportedly shows that not only are personal bankruptcies increasing, but 62 percent of them are now due to medical debt.

    Geri Jenkins, RN, co-president of the California Nurses Association/National Nurses Organizing Committee and a practicing registered nurse, reported that Baucus had implied he'd made a mistake in not including single payer, but that it was too late now.

    And, finally, Dr. Oliver Fein, president of PNHP and associate dean at Weill Medical College of Cornell University, said that he and his colleagues had asked Baucus for a full hearing on the merits of single payer and asked for the Congressional Budget Office to create a comparison of single payer with whatever plan Congress produces that is not single payer. Senator Sanders said that he would continue to push Baucus to hold a hearing.

    Dr. Flowers said that in her analysis the single-payer movement is largely inclined to go in the direction that Sanders stated on Wednesday: support for a single-payer bill or nothing. I asked her whether she believed that those pushing for single payer would ever support a public option as doing more good than harm and whether she thought those pushing for a public option would ever advocate allowing states to enact single payer. Flowers acknowledged that there are many (perhaps even most) people in the public option movement who prefer single payer. In fact, it is difficult to find a supporter of the public option who does not claim to "personally" want single payer, but to find it "politically unfeasible." But Flowers said that PNHP does not support a public option and backs only single payer. And she said she was unaware of any advocates of a public option also advocating for allowing states to create single payer.

  

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Fire Baucus! for the good of

Fire Baucus! for the good of the country. Who made him the decider?

It is time for a tea

It is time for a tea party..we have not had a good tea party since the revolution against the previou evil empire that was back then-England. We are the new evil empire...we are moving toward an aristocracy the like of which this country has never seen. Only MONEY, speaks...we have a vote only in so far as we are willing to vote for the guarded options presented by the new order, new world oligarchy.... "we are too far along to include single payer health plans is a variation on "they are too big to fall." This ought to be a major bi-partisan concern...the gradual erosion of liberties for the masses and the gradual overtaking of government by big business, aristocrats & large financial global empires...

Does anyone have an idea of

Does anyone have an idea of why Baucus is being so exclusionary? What's his reasoning? Is he a staunch defender of private v. public? What gives?

The more things change, the

The more things change, the more they remain the same (interests served with new masks)! Ratepayers pay for the fairy-tale lifestyles of the CEOs, board members and officials of all corporations (and they still steal more from the working poor). If no single payer for direct cost of health-care service, we will finance the same lifestyles and keep piling it high and deep on the vanishing middle class (now mostly working poor). Taxes keep rising, rates for all service (real and imagined) are rising, the wealthy have their fortresses, gated communities; the poor increasingly on the streets. Shall we resort to bread and circus or let them eat cake? Best,

Don't even bother to hope

Don't even bother to hope for a single payer health plan. It simply isn't going to happen as long as the insurance industry and other interested parties can bribe politicians to prevent it. Look at the billions of dollars of your money the insurance industry alone would lose, and compare that loss to the expense of a few bribes. Politicians are insultingly cheap. They should charge more for their services.

We HAVE to fight against

We HAVE to fight against Baucus, Lincoln, Pryor, all the "Blue Dog" Democrats who are doing the Republicans' bidding. The must be defeated in the next election, or else we will never see change. Come on, MoveOn and PDA, let's get the ball rolling here, before it is too late.

TARP, housing bubble, Fannie

TARP, housing bubble, Fannie & Freddie, banks, security, insurance & car companies arrest the attention of the President & the Nation, yet the total HEALTHCARE & WELFARE OF THE USA IS RELEGATED TO A SMALL SenBaucus -- is a disgrace sellout, not represent WE the PEOPLE:to forbid the taxpayers the healthcare WE provide him, his congressmen & their families, is indeed taxation without representation.It is now or never:anything not 1-payer will be controlled by $B-bonus-insurance-ceos forever.Time to tell them what we are so familiar with:DENIED!!!

Depressing that the public

Depressing that the public cannot get what it expressly wants from its "representatives".

Baucus is in the pocket of

Baucus is in the pocket of the insurance, pharma and medical lobbyists. Sen. Reid and Barack Obama should meet with him and let him know that he ALONE cannot stand in the way of the needs of the people. He cannot nullify the direction that the people voted for. Can we find out how much money he is receiving from lobbyists?

Anymore the lobbyist money

Anymore the lobbyist money formula is: Max Baucus = Conrad Burns We got rid of Mr. Burns as our state senator when he appeared at the top of the Jack Abramhoff largesse pyramid. In examining Senator Baucus' contributors last fall, big pharma and health insurance companies seem to like him a lot. NOTE: Those two entities are on the other side in our nation's healthcare debate.

plain old-fashioned "horse

plain old-fashioned "horse sense" tells me that Baucus is a crooked stooge of the status quo and that Prior and Lincoln and the Blue Dogs are more fearful of being defeated at the polls than of not doing the right thing (otherwisebeing known for a total lack of moral courage). we have to get wiser heads in the Senate. Reid is too weak to be effective. Dorgan would be much better.

There is a growing movement

There is a growing movement in Montana to get rid of Baucus precisely because he's been bought and sold by the insurance industry. He may find his next re-election bid a bit warm.

"...some of the largest

"...some of the largest investors in tobacco stock are private health insurance companies." There should be a criminal investigation for this sort of thing. I just called Baucus' office in D.C.. I took the lead from 13:39 about the image of "the decider." Please, everyone, bombard his stinking "Republican" office with calls.

We are TOO FAR ALONG???

We are TOO FAR ALONG??? With every Repugnican against this stuff, how can we possibly be "too far along." Geeze, does this guy have a High School education? Is he really doing things in the best interests of ALL Americans or only the for-profit providers of health care that contribute to his re-election campaigns? What a dufus!

"Too late?" The process is

"Too late?" The process is "too far along?" What a pathetic "excuse." I'd give ol' Max more credit if he was honest and said that protecting insurance industry profits is the priority, democracy be damned. Ms. DeMoro is absolutely right when she questions the values of a country that lets people die for want of medical treatment, simply because most of Congress is afraid of losing their bribe money. Of course, no one Max Baucus knows will suffer that fate, so what does he care?

You don't really expect

You don't really expect someone who took over a half million dollars from the health care industry to make to do anything to take some of their profits away from them, even if it is VERY costly for everyone else, do you?

the only thing to adjust now

the only thing to adjust now is max employment status as the former senator from montana. wake up people and purge this demon from the federal payroll.

Email your two senators and

Email your two senators and house rep and tell them that you promise not to vote for them if they support anything but single payer. Why would you vote for anyone who didn't?

Would flooding Baucus office

Would flooding Baucus office with telephone calls do any good? Would marching in the streets? I understand 80% of Americans want single payer. is this the true statistic? If so, surely we can make that mountain move..

Disgrace and shame, more of

Disgrace and shame, more of the same. WE r still killing in the Mideast and here as well for fun and profit for the few., while the elite keep theirs and take more and more. In history sometimes revolution has been the only way to rid of corruption, arrogance and evil.

Single payer off the table,

Single payer off the table, but now the politicians propose mandatory health insurance? Ok, let's have an option to self-insure, which is an option offered by states with mandatory auto insurance. So that consumers can make wise choices, mandate that hospitals, doctors, and pharmacies post their prices for all drugs and procedures. Currently, there is no price disclosure in health care. And, very importantly, we must legislate an option to form non-profit "health cooperatives" so that Americans can have an alternative to the health insurers.

"If we were serious about

"If we were serious about health care reform, he said, we would be having a serious discussion of single payer." Senator Sanders has a point there - The point! Discussing health care reform seriously without considering the single payer option among others and doing some comparison, that is an oxymoron in itself. That is the same as applying to be let off the job. So be generous voters, graciously let them go!

Baucus is a criminal, plain

Baucus is a criminal, plain and simple.

Aside from Baucus being a

Aside from Baucus being a tool of the banks and the health insurance industry, he is a senator from a state with 750,000 people in it. (California has 30 million--they both get the same number of senators-2). Now, as ever, small minorities run the politics of our country. Makes them really easy prey for the bankers and health industry lobbyists. This is not democracy folks, it is oligarchy!

BAUCUS: excluding

BAUCUS: excluding single-payer was a mistake, but I'm too indebted to the system to correct that error. They have just enough time to do a half-assed job at reforming something that will impact the quality of life of all Americans! This is just more of the same BS. -- M

Exactly who put this guy in

Exactly who put this guy in charge anyway? What a crock. I can't believe some idiot from Montana is solely responsible for whether or not the American people can choose single payer or not. What exactly is democratic about this? And creating single payer systems would not be impossible. It's never impossible to pass a law. You bring it up for a vote, and people vote on it, and if they say no, they're dead meat in the next election. *Everyone wants what Canada and Europe have*. I know people all over the country and I don't know a single one who loves their insurance company.

HUMAN VS. $$$....its that

HUMAN VS. $$$....its that simple and that disgusting; that people are willing to make $ off of other's suffering and death. their ONLY justification is making a profit. but like everything else here; unless WE THE PEOPLE really, and i mean REALLY get busy and fight it tooth and nail it will not change one iota because its so very obvious that politics and big business are just like the right hand-left hand of the same beast, and unfortunately the majority of our politicians are advocates and enablers for this same old dog and pony show that turns human lives into product and profit.

Fax Max at

Fax Max at 202-224-9412 Let's flood his office with demands for single payer health care NOW and outrage at his "too late" remarks.

Who here believes the U.S.

Who here believes the U.S. is France? With a single payer for the entire US, we would be begging for another mess like Freddie or the havoc wreaked by a secretive Federal Reserve. The HIPAA statutes let governments and insurance companies share information so they could let us know the most effective therapies. For the most part, this has not happened, though some Kaiser libraries are now open to the public. Most states still don't post rates of infection for hospitals, even though they gather the information. Turning our disease-maintenance system into a monopoly is not a prescription for improvement. It is a prescription for spending more money that we don't have and for more death by side effect, infection, and other preventable causes. Baucus may have been wrong to exclude people, but it doesn't make monopoly a panacea.

The number for the Capitol

The number for the Capitol switchboard is (202) 224-3121. We should all memorize it and we should regularly call Sen. Baucus and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid demanding that they listen to the will of the people. I keep wondering what Sen. Baucus' and Sen. Reid's campaign contribution records look like and whether they explain why Baucus is refusing to hear from single payer advocates and Reid still allows Baucus to chair this committee. Call your own congressional delegation and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and email the switchboard # to friends in other states so they can add their calls to the mix.

It is totally unacceptable

It is totally unacceptable to allow one senator to have the power to bar people with a particular point of view from hearings. Reid needs to remove Baucus from his chairmanship. Then the people of Montana need to give him his walking papers, but that can't happen until at least next year--or whenever he comes up for reelection. He behaves much more like a republican than a democrat. We need to contact all our congressional delegates, express outrage at single payer being excluded and urge them in the strongest possible terms to advocate a single payer system.

I read Baucus got more money

I read Baucus got more money from the insurance industry than any other Senator. We need to do everything we can to get Baucus and the rest of the "Blue Dog" Democrats out during the primaries. They are corporate whores and care nothing about the people. They are ruining the country and the world. I'm surprised nobody mentioned the fact that Obama also tried to take single payer off the table. Is he controlled by the corporations too? I think, sadly, to a large extent he is. However, he is a little better than Baucus. He did let in a couple of single payer advocates after many people signed petitions or contacted him in other ways. However, that is only about one percent of the number of people in the discussion, representing the majority of Americans, doctors and nurses. I also heard that the single payer advocates were not allowed to speak. But the fact that he gave just a little indicates that if there was a big enough push from us, he might change his mind. I also heard that at one point in the past he was for single payer, so he might be one of those who thinks it has no chance of passing and so he pushes for something he thinks does have a chance. But he is falling into the same trap a lot of Democrats fall into all the time. They seem to always start bargaining from the middle, either from where they want to end up or where they think a reasonable compromise would be. The Republicans almost always take the most extreme right-wing position, because they know it will probably end up somewhere between the two sides. Why are the Democrats so stupid? Even if they really think that a national health care option is the best solution, they should begin their negotiations from the single payer position, and then a national health care option would be the logical compromise.

Will anyone get offline and

Will anyone get offline and out of their comfort zone and march on Washington? That is what we did to stop the Viet Nam war. We didn't just march in our home towns; we traveled long distances by bus to let our voices be heard. If this is so important, this is what is required.

When you take the obvious

When you take the obvious solution off the table with the bogus argument that the government can't run it (would that include social security? medicare? the military? roads, bridges, and parks?) it's obvious you are simply afraid the moneyed interests will work against your election. Has anyone considered that the PEOPLE will refuse to elect those that propagate wasteful corporate profits (the United Health CEO retired with a 1 BILLION dollar package, I understand) and an unnecessary (30% overhead) bureaucracy whose sole purpose is to screen and deny health coverage to raise profits. It's not about HEALTH anymore ... hasn't been since private enterprise got involved. ONLY SINGLE PAYER, UNIVERSAL COVERAGE will solve the puzzle .. we absolutely need the English and/or Canadian system. If we can rid ourselves of the telephone solicitation industry, why not Big Pharma, Big Health Insurance, Big Hospitals, etc? Where are the public polls that support "taking single payer off the table?" ... there aren't any, just a gutless spineless electa-gencia. We need to turn them ALL out and start over.

It seems to me a simple

It seems to me a simple idea, if it were to viral on the net, might turn this whole thing around. Let's suppose our elected officials are reacting to the financial pressures from big donors. What if we, the people, ask a simple question on EVERY REQUEST for DONATIONS ... from the DNC, the RNC, the other campaign requests that come daily.."Do you support Single payer?" If not "Don't ever ask me for more funds". That act alone saves the very money our elected officials use to ignore our wishes and instantly makes us competitive with the big corporate donors ... take that Baucus!