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"Single-Payer" Supporters Challenge Democrats

by: Dan Eggen  |  The Washington Post

Nurses and healthcare activists demand single-payer/universal healthcare.

In Los Angeles, nurses and healthcare activists push for universal single-payer healthcare legislation.

    When President Obama convened a town-hall meeting in Rio Rancho, N.M., last month, he wanted to talk about credit card reform. But many in the crowd had a different agenda.

    "So many people go bankrupt using their credit cards to pay for health care," the first questioner said to applause. "Why have they taken single-payer off the plate?"

    The "single-payer" activists had struck again. As Obama and congressional Democrats work to hammer out landmark health-care legislation, they face increasingly noisy protests from those on the left who complain that a national program like those in Europe has been excluded from the debate.

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Robert Parry | 119 Million Americans Must Be Wrong    β€’

    The White House and Democratic leaders have made clear there is no chance that Congress will adopt a single-payer approach - named for the idea that a single government-backed insurance plan would pay for all Americans' medical costs - because it is too radical a change.

    That has not dissuaded single-payer activists, who have spent months hounding Democratic lawmakers and organizing demonstrations, including one that resulted in 13 arrests at a Senate hearing last month. The offensive continues this weekend with plans to swamp a series of "house parties" on health care hosted by Organizing for America, an Obama-backed project at the Democratic National Committee.

    Opportunity and Challenge

    The movement poses both an opportunity and a challenge for Obama, who is able to position himself as a centrist by opposing a single-payer plan but who risks angering a vocal part of the Democratic base.

    "Obama is really the one who is puzzling to us," said Rose Ann DeMoro, executive director of the California Nurses Association, a union that has been leading many of the single-payer protests. "We were all supporters of him... . It's hard to understand how he can expect to rally support around a plan that will leave the big insurance companies in charge and keep hurting patients."

    Many Republicans see the movement as evidence that Democrats are setting the country on the path to "government-run health care," as they describe it. Conservatives for Patients' Rights, an advocacy group bankrolled by ousted Columbia/HCA chief Rick Scott, unveiled a $1.2 million ad campaign Thursday that portrays Democratic plans as a "bulldozer" aimed at eliminating private insurance companies.

    "It's just one step removed from a single-payer system," Scott said in an interview, referring to current Democratic proposals. "The goal is to get rid of the insurance companies, and then the government makes all the decisions."

    Obama and other Democrats dispute such characterizations, saying they favor a plan that would marry private and public resources to control costs and expand coverage for 46 million uninsured Americans. Obama wrote in a letter to Democrats this week that he "strongly" backs creating a public insurance option to compete with private carriers, and also signaled that he is open to the idea of requiring coverage for all Americans.

    Obama has rejected the idea of establishing a single government insurance program, however, saying the U.S. tradition of providing health care through employers would make such a shift politically and practically impossible.

    "If I were starting a system from scratch, then I think that the idea of moving towards a single-payer system could very well make sense," Obama said in response to the questioner in New Mexico, echoing comments he made during his presidential campaign. "The only problem is that we're not starting from scratch... . We don't want a huge disruption as we go into health-care reform where suddenly we're trying to completely reinvent one-sixth of the economy."

    Advocates of a single national program argue that its benefits would far outweigh the drawbacks, noting that most other industrialized nations guarantee coverage for all at far lower costs with generally better health outcomes. They also dispute allegations by Scott and other conservatives that such a system would lead to rationing and waiting lists, saying that Americans face the same problems and worse now.

    "Single-payer on its merits can win," said Tim Carpenter, national director of Progressive Democrats of America. "But we've been cut out by the doctors, the insurance companies and other special interests."

    A Small Victory

    The single-payer activists won a small victory this week when Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.), who is leading health-care negotiations as chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, agreed to meet with them after months of tension. Those in attendance said Baucus apologized for not including single-payer advocates more prominently in earlier hearings, but he also said it is too late to change direction.

    Polling on single-payer insurance varies widely, based largely on how the issue is framed. In an April Kaiser Family Foundation poll about ways to increase the number of Americans covered by health insurance, the option finished last on an eight-item list, with 49 percent in favor and 47 percent opposed. Moreover, about a third of those who support a public insurance option would turn against the idea if it were an initial step toward single-payer care, the poll found.

    Most mainstream progressive groups, including some that have previously advocated a single-payer approach, think Obama's strategy has the best hope for success. Many groups draw lessons from the Clinton administration, which buckled under attacks from Republicans and the medical lobby when it proposed a more centralized approach.

    This time around, unions and groups such as Health Care for America Now plan to spend more than $80 million on ad buys, outreach and other efforts to support Obama and the Democrats. The DNC, using Obama's campaign e-mail list of 13 million names, kicks off its effort today with thousands of "house parties" focused on "the urgency of passing health care reform this year," according to a news release.

    In an e-mail this week, Progressive Democrats of America urged its supporters to "take the single-payer message" to the meetings.

    DNC spokesman Brad Woodhouse said the gatherings are open to all. "Their voices, energy and passion are welcome, and no one is looking at them as the enemy," he said. "It's just that with the system we have, single-payer is not something that's likely to happen."

    Polling director Jon Cohen contributed to this report.

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119 Million Americans Must Be Wrong

by: Robert Parry   |  Visit article original @ Consortium News

    As the health insurance industry and its defenders in Congress lay out their case against permitting a public option in a reform bill, perhaps their most curious argument is that some 119 million Americans are ready to dump their private plans and jump to something more like Medicare - and that's why the choice can't be permitted.

    In other words, the industry and its backers are acknowledging that more than one-third of the American people are so dissatisfied with their private health insurance that they trust the U.S. government to give them a fairer shake on health care. The industry says its allies in Congress must prevent that.

    The peculiar argument that 119 million Americans must be denied the public option that they prefer has been made most notably by Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa, ranking Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, which is one of two panels that has jurisdiction over the health insurance bill.

    "As many as 119 million Americans would shift from private coverage to the government plan," Grassley wrote in a column for Politico.com. That migration, Grassley said, would "put America on the path toward a completely government-run health care system. … Eventually, the government plan would overtake the entire market."

    Grassley's logic is that so many Americans would prefer a government-run plan that the private health insurance industry would collapse or become a shadow of its current self. That, in turn, would lead even more Americans entering the government plan, making private insurance even less viable.

    Rarely has an argument more dramatically highlighted the philosophical question of whether in a democracy, the government should represent the people's interests or an industry's.

    But Grassley said he is simply upholding "the promise that if you like the coverage you have, you can keep it. … That's why I'm concerned about a government-run plan that forces people out of private insurance."

    The counter-argument, of course, might be that if the health insurance industry hadn't dissatisfied so many customers - indeed forcing many sick people into bankruptcy because of excessive fees, denial of coverage and gaps in permitted medical treatments - there wouldn't be so many Americans eager for a public option.

    So, now to protect the health insurance industry, Congress must stop 119 million Americans from leaping into the arms of a government plan.

    Grassley is joined in his position by nearly the entire Republican contingent in Congress. It also appears a few key Democrats, particularly Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Montana, agree at least in part.

    Baucus has kept a single-payer option "off the table" during the debate even as he claimed "all options are on the table." He also has suggested that Congress might have to "sculpt" any public option, presumably to make it less appealing to Americans if some version survives in the reform bill.

    President Barack Obama, whose mother had to fight with her health insurance company while dying of cancer, says he continues to favor including a public option in the bill as necessary to keep the insurance industry honest. Sen. Ted Kennedy, chairman of the Health and Education Committee which also has jurisdiction over the bill, also favors a strong public plan.

    However, there is the additional fact that executives from health insurance companies and related industries are major campaign contributors to members of Congress on both sides of the aisle.

    For instance, since 2005, Grassley's various political action committees have collected nearly $1.3 million in donations from the industries related to the health insurance debate, according to OpenSecrets.org. Grassley's top four donor groups were Health ($411,956); Insurance ($307,348); Pharmaceuticals ($233,850); and Hospitals ($197,137). Eighth on Grassley's donor list were HMOs at $130,684.

    On the other hand, the health insurance industry appears about as popular with Americans as the tobacco industry, with both considered highly hazardous to your health. Except that Americans can choose not to smoke, while they run enormous risks for themselves and their families if they don't have some form of health insurance.

    Health insurance companies do negotiate rates with hospitals and doctors that are far below what is charged to people who don't have insurance, sometimes as low as one-tenth what the uninsured patient might be charged.

    These disparities, in effect, force many Americans to sign up for private insurance even if the insurance fees are excessive, padded with handsome profits for investors and unproductive bureaucratic costs (including investigations into whether people can be denied payments because of undisclosed "preexisting conditions").

    If the health insurance industry had its way, Congress would produce a bill that simply required Americans (or their employers) to buy health insurance from private industry. That way, the government would compel citizens to become customers while denying them a choice of the public plan.

    To avoid such an outcome, proponents of the public option - including those 119 million Americans who are ready to sign up - will have to overcome opposition from Republicans and some Democrats who are determined to protect the interests of the private health insurance industry.

    Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories in the 1980s for the Associated Press and Newsweek. His latest book, Neck Deep: The Disastrous Presidency of George W. Bush, was written with two of his sons, Sam and Nat, and can be ordered at neckdeepbook.com. His two previous books, Secrecy & Privilege: The Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq and Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, the Press & 'Project Truth' are also available there. Or go to Amazon.com.

  

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Obama is Clinton

Obama is Clinton

"It's just that with the

"It's just that with the system we have, single-payer is not something that's likely to happen."

Because the insurance industry is lining the pockets of our congress like never before to make sure it doesn't.

ObamaΒ΄starting a system

ObamaΒ΄starting a system from scratch..Β΄NO, it already is in place with Medicare, Medicaid, the VA health care systems are all federal--just need to be extended. We need the militaryΒ΄s approach of an ineffective weapon--as the musket--we rapidly replace it with a more effective one ASAP.

The government doesn't want

The government doesn't want you to get health care, feel lucky they haven't put you in a privatized jail.

Our "leaders" don't want

Our "leaders" don't want single-payer as it will destroy the health insurance industry -- a payer in fine standing to the enormously expensive campaigns these "leaders" wage to be elected or re-elected and likely some of the power behind the power. The fools would rather see people suffer and die from lack of adequate health care than provide the reform that will solve the problem. Look toward an accelerating decline in the American "life-style" and eventual depression. They just don't get it.

I am so furious about this.

I am so furious about this. My wife is having to go back to her country this summer for 2 months because she has an illness that would bankrupt us if we were to have it treated here. Actually, with no insurance we probably couldn't even get treatment here. And now that it's a "Pre-existing" condition it wouldn't be covered even if we got insurance. This country deserves the system it gets. Time to go back to the civilized world abroad.

On the record make every

On the record make every Senator and Congressman answer the question, "In America, is health care a right or a privilege?" That needs to be discussed. And, if the elected officials in D.C. won't at the very least, vote for a public insurance option, without any 'triggers', they should all have to give up their public government insurance and go buy their own.

Employment-based health

Employment-based health insurance discriminates against small-businesses and the self-employed.

It 's simple. Expand

It 's simple. Expand Medicare. That service needs changing anyway. Putting more people into the program will make it more solvent.

How can these Democratic

How can these Democratic "leaders" use their belief that "it is not likely to happen" as an excuse for completely removing the single payer option from the table? That is exactly why it is not likely to happen! They are deliberately shutting out the best solution as a favor to the insurance industry. Everyone opposed to single payer can only argue with lies, which proves they are wrong. If people knew the truth, almost everyone but insurance corporations and the politicians they bought would be for single payer. As a further favor to the insurance industry they want to make health insurance mandatory! The insurance companies will only get richer and more powerful and more difficult to get rid of. If they do manage to pass a national health insurance option, you can bet it will be so weakened by "compromises" that it won't be any competition to the private insurers. That is what always happens with the spineless Democrats. Then the corporatists will use that as "proof" that the private option is better, and it will be harder to get a single payer option in the future. I'd rather wait until we can get the corporate whores out of office and pass the only real solution: single payer.

The profiteers have taken

The profiteers have taken over. Insurance and pharma profiteers, financial profiteers, real estate profiteers and all the other mega-thieves and con men have joined war profiteers in looting everyone else. The press won't expose them. The politicians no longer protect us from them, but protect them from us. So much needs cleaning up that all housekeeping efforts seem hopeless. Eventually, the house will fall. The only question is whether it will be one room at a time, or the whole damned thing.

I have Medicare. On its

I have Medicare. On its own, it is definitely lacking in what it will cover. Also, Medicare will cover some things for some people, but not the same things for other people. What I would like to see is single-payer, or expanded Medicare that will cover the same things for everybody. The basics of health care include vision and dental care. Medicare doesn't cover dental care at all, as far as I know. Vision care is soething that is more fully covered for people with diabetes, than for people who are just near-sighted.

I don't believe in getting

I don't believe in getting sick so I've ignored this debate. Medicare has been enough coverage for the few requirements I've had. The vested interests seem to have a strangle hold on government and the Washington Clowns can't pass anything that minimizes their drain on the economy. We simply cannot afford to continue subsidizing all those that have bought our government so as to suck the treasury dry. (and isn't the Fed another leach sucking our life blood?)

Well, Obama has never been

Well, Obama has never been strong on single-payer. He has always been ready to compromise at any cost. During the presidential campaign he made it clear that single-payer was for the long term. So, in a sense he has broken no promises. But, he did run as a progressive and it was progressives who worked their hearts out getting him elected. And progressives care about universal health care. What personally galls me is Obama's emphasis on controlling costs, with a tiny nod in the direction of the uninsured and mainly uninsured children. Well, if parents are ill and uninsured, their children will surely suffer as will the economy. I think this is Obama's don't as don't tell moment. He needs to step up on health care reform (and not just on cost control) as he did for the bailouts. He needs to use his bully pulpit to make sure that there is a clear public option in the final bill. Now is the time to fight.

The Solution is Very

The Solution is Very Easy! Every elected representative who is AGAINST government medical and dental coverage should immediately renounce their government subsidized health coverage that comes with their job - and go to private health insurance. If they refuse to do this, they are scoundrels of hypocrisy! We already have a GREAT system of government subsidized health coverage - the one that the full Congress is getting - on our dime. Extend that coverage to We the People. That is how simple this whole debate really is. How much would Ted Kennedy's brain operation cost on private medical insurance?

Into my 80's I have been

Into my 80's I have been paying annually on the basic, original Medicare single payer system $3600. Would some one please tell me how this can rightfully be called a single payer system? And it does not provide with me prevention strategies or resources. Politics is governing the living and dying syndrome in our country. Lives are on the line in the United States. Is this justice and freedom for all? Treating patient illnesses is a money maker. Not until these truths are confronted head on will changes be seen. And I did vote for Obama and have been a Democrat most of my life.

There's an old slogan that

There's an old slogan that applies to healthcare as much as any other vested interest: "Follow the money." The reason that the health insurance corporations can and do buy Congress, with their donations to Congress members' campaigns, is the simple fact that they have all that money to donate. Where do they get it? From payments by patients, and their employers or unions where those plans still exist, through both "insurance" premiums and the direct co-payments that are savings to those companies. And watch the money -- if a patient/client has a severe illness, or a "pre-existing condition." treatment is either curtailed or denied outright. After all, the companies can't let too much of that money drain out for medical care when they need it for "political maintenance." That power structure is now directed at preventing the development of a direct payer system, which would make them superfluous. There's lots of money behind it.

I don't know which is more

I don't know which is more bizarre, that a majority of the American people don't even want a public option to be available, or that nearly half of our Congressional representatives won't let us have one. I don't think the American people understand the difference between health care and health insurance, and that's part of the problem.

Single-payer reform starts

Single-payer reform starts with proposals like those of the Obama (and Clinton) administration. Obama is correct in stating that it's too radical, too soon. To attempt to put this kind of plan into action now would surely spell failure in that (a) it would never pass conservative America and (b) it would be chaotic. If single-payer reform is something in which the administration truly believes, they will slowly pick away the naysayers by working towards that system in a methodical fashion, showing why that system would work by allowing glimmers of it to appear in a national health care reform.

The U.S.A. is bankrupt .

The U.S.A. is bankrupt . Where is the money going to come from? Are all politicians stark raving mad ?

If we're truly a democracy

If we're truly a democracy (and I have my doubts relative to the power of the lobbyists over the country's citizenry) let the people decide, single payer, public option, or private. My gut feeling is most people would go for the public option simply because, like me, they've had it with the likes of CEO's like William McGuire and the whole private insurance industry!! Oh how I could go on. This country has become a minority collaboration of the greedy elite with their own self interests having taken over the the power of the people, the United States, and everything it once stood for, both at home and abroad!!!

For those of you concerned

For those of you concerned where the money will come from, well every day people like me. I'd gladly hand over my $700 monthly health insurance premium for our family of five with a $6000 deductible and be completely confident that I'll get ten times more for it. For those of you who complain about government bureaucracy, try to get through the red tape of a simple question with the private health insurance company. Go to a doctor's office, clinic, hospital and see how many staff they have just trying to work things out with the insurance companies. I've travelled all around the world over several decades, industrialized nations and the third world. None of those countries take advantage of their citizen's health like they do for profit in America. Americans deserve at a minimum what the rest of the industrialized world receives relative to health care. A healthy working population makes for a robust economy.

I can only agree with all of

I can only agree with all of those who are crying BS on Congress. Re: rationing & long waits--only those who have great health care coverage subsidized by the rest of us (via our taxes or high prices for goods) can raise that as a "reason" not to have single payer universal coverage. Because it means they haven't had the experience of most people --who HAVE HAD to wait to see specialists, who HAVE HAD to fight for claims for covered expenses to be approved and so on. I particularly agree that if members of Congress-and I would also include all appointed & elected members of the Executive Branch (i.e., the president, all members of the Cabinet, etc.)--think national single payer just can't be considered--then they can shop in the "free market" for insurance and see how they like it. All I hear Congress & Obama say is it's ok if more & more people in the US cannot afford preventative care & are bankrupted by health care expenses. I guess they figure there are plenty of people int he US, there'll be someone to work for them at low wages w/no benefits (if not, they'll just outsource or approve more HB-1s, etc.) so who cares if more people are in ill health & die at a younger age? As long as it's not them or members of their families.

If single-payer doesn't go

If single-payer doesn't go thru we then know the power of the insurance industry and also know that politicians listen to money and not to voters.

it pains me to be living in

it pains me to be living in the america that i am living in... single-payer, progressive, left, liberal...these are bad words. Right, conservative, fundemental, insurance these are the "truly" american values.

As long as governments,

As long as governments, state, local, and federal, continue to use health care as their basic tool of economic growth (with health care going from the current one sixth of the economy to 1/4 in the next 10 years, they will resist single payer because the current system makes their buddies rich and supposedly produces high paying jobs. Of course it also causes bankruptcies at an outrageous pace, but that seems to be the american way of death.

Note to Obama: Dear Mr.

Note to Obama: Dear Mr. President: Your transparency is slipping. We need to know the REASONS you are letting the CIA off the hook in Gitmo, the REASONS for the massive bailouts for failed companies, the REASONS you are leaving any trace of the long discredited Bushian administration in place (like PATRIOT), the REASONS you are not getting people like Rove, and Cheney to testify about their treasonous activities in the last eight years.

I highly recommend reading

I highly recommend reading the below before blowing off lots of steam regarding one or another way to get us covered. Universal coverage is important, but if not done smartly, we the health care system will still be sick. http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/06/01/090601fa_fact_gawande

"Obama is really the one

"Obama is really the one who is puzzling to us," said Rose Ann DeMoro, executive director of the California Nurses Association, a union that has been leading many of the single-payer protests. "We were all supporters of him... . It's hard to understand how he can expect to rally support around a plan that will leave the big insurance companies in charge and keep hurting patients." –Here is the problem in a nutshell: Obama SHOULD NOT have been "puzzling"to anyone. He was from the beginning a candidate of the American corporate plutocracy. The political oligarchy, tired of the liabilities inherent in Bush's barbarism, was desirous of a new 'stylistic' approach with more rhetorical finesse, than Republican red neck obduracy. Nothing about Obama's tepid approach to health care is remotely "hard to understand." Rose Ann Demoro and her constituency had the chance to vote for Ralph Nader or Cynthia McKinney, but gullibility, bad faith and ignorance now reap their just rewards.

I have seen the massive

I have seen the massive damage Medicare can do, with over-medication in particular. It may be that this happens with private insurers as well, but some private insurers are at more risk of being sued for side effects. Possibly this is one of the reasons that pain management is less effective and more costly in some jurisdictions than in others. I don't trust my state government much, but I trust it more than I trust the federal government, which will roll over the wishes of the local people on the phone calls of cronies, as has happened in California to unmainstream dispensaries. Without massive protection and auditing of practice and cost, enforcing a single-payer system could be counter-productive if the goal is better health and more honesty about how best to care for health. As for Grassley, he has exposed university-pharmaceutical corruption even though he gets money from the lobby. If single payer passes and the pharmaceutical companies don't have to deal with insurance companies, Pharma will have more money for corrupting congress. Persons who don't want to be drugged can harvest and clean rainwater. We just have to be careful not to get knocked out and taken to a hospital.

Americans just simply life

Americans just simply life in a virtual world also called social bubble. How is possible that in the rest of civilized world this issue has been solved many decades ago (not bankruptcies, no denying coverage for pre-existing conditions, better overall outcome in any health care parameter) and still in this country (the supposed richest in the world), has this debates. As a foreigner, temporary living in the States is simply incredible, is like travel to the past. I have never seen this kind of debates in any country where I have lived (all of them Europeans). The solutions is to pay 6 months stays in Europe (pick up any country, it doesn't matter) for all these still non-believers about single payer system, and then return to the States, that is the easiest way to convince them. Another way, create a national database of Americans living abroad where they can explain to their fellow nationals how Americans are constantly been foolish for a democracy that represents the health industry and not the people. Good point for Obama to propose to all these agains public option than drop off their government health care benefits, that it had to be automatic, tomorrow Monday.

There are two necessary and

There are two necessary and sufficient conditions that would permit a single-payer health insurance system to become reality: 1. Publicly financed election campaigns. This would eliminate the huge campaign contributions from rich special interest groups to whom candidates are slaves. 2. Term limits for all congressional seats in both houses. This would prevent politicians from making a seat in congress a lifetime career. Does either of the above have a snowball's chance of happening? Dream on.

If the right-wing

If the right-wing noisemakers continue to call everything that we Americans desire "socialist", they will finally succeed in doing what Eugene Debs failed to do in a lifetime of trying: they will make us proud to think of ourselves as "socialists".

One would think that the

One would think that the Dems would jump at the chance to add another Populist feather to their caps, as with Social Security, (extending) Medicare, etc. It's government that WORKS, obviously. But with our ONE PARTY , socialism for the rich, the best government corporate industry can buy, it's not likely. But one hopes that the denial of universal health care-single payer makes revolution more compelling, albeit "incrementally."

While watching Michael

While watching Michael Moore's "Sicko," what occurred to me was that we should have a national movement for EVERYONE STARTING IN THE SAME MONTH TO STOP PAYING THEIR PREMIUM. I still think that might be a good idea. I can't participate because anymore as I had to cancel my insurance in January as I couldn't afford it anymore after the deductible and premiums I paid in 2008.

Interesting that the poll

Interesting that the poll showing that Americans don't want a single-payer system was conducted by the Kaiser Family Foundation -- the family of Dick Kaiser, who invented the HMO as a means of increasing corporate profits by denying health care to patients. The same Dick Kaiser who convinced his friend, Tricky Dick, to make HMOs an official part of the health care landscape. The Kaiser Family should issue a formal apology to America for its decades-long treachery and should have its assets confiscated to pay for the care of people who need it.

"waste, fraud, and abuse"

"waste, fraud, and abuse" heard of them? They are the mythical strawmen used to prevent the elimination of waste, fraud, and abuse. The waste, fraud, and abuse inhering in the current medical insurance scheme in America arises at the profit centers of the health insurance industry. Want to eliminate waste, fraud, and abuse in health care Mr. Prez? Then nationalize all the health insurance companies now! seize all their worldwide assets and jail their corrupt, criminal, cartel leadership! No, of course that won't happen...unless... the American people DEMAND it!

I want to note there are

I want to note there are approximately 96 Million americans already on the single pay system of medicare and medicaid and it seems to work.

Frankly I find the so-called

Frankly I find the so-called "single payer" advocates repetitive, obnoxious and cult-like. How can you be "AGAINST" the three principles the president laid out: cutting costs, guaranteeing choice and making quality health care affordable for EVERYONE! It's like saying we are against SCHIP because the insurance companies are still around. Or being against the VA or Medicare because the insurance companies are still around. A lot of single payer supporters, myself included, see these principles/public option as a critical step to taking away the power of the insurance and for-profit health care models. And apparently they do too because they are worried about those 119 Americans ready to drop them and go public. Two of those cult-like single payer people showed up at the OFA meeting I was at. Obnoxious, disruptive and my words of wisdom: grow up. This isn't my way or the highway. People are suffering NOW.

What if...what if every

What if...what if every senator and rep had to recuse themselves from voting on any issue connected to money they received from a special interest on that issue? If it is true of judges, then why not make it true for congress, hey?

EVERY MEMBER OF THE HOUSE

EVERY MEMBER OF THE HOUSE AND SENATE SHOULD HAVE TO GIVE UP THEIR GOVERNMENT HEALTH INSURANCE UNTIL THEY FIX AMERICA'S HEALTH CRISIS.

Obama says that he would

Obama says that he would back single-payer if "we were starting from scratch". As it is, he says, switching over would be "too disruptive". Well, try to use a little imagination here, Barrack. What would our country be like if we had 'no insurance' in place at all, right now? If effect, we would have very little health-care, for the bulk of the population -- only the rich would have much of any kind of health-care. Well, then, how 'disruptive' would it be to 'suddenly institute' a national single-payer system in a condition where there currently is NO health insurance? A helluva lot more disruptive that merely 'switching over', from 'private' to 'public'. Obama is being 'disingenuous' with this argument (to put the best spin on it).

Will someone please put

Will someone please put aside ideology and biases and lay out clearly what single-payer offers and how it differs from other significant approaches? Comments on this article reflect a great deal of confusion, ignorance, attempts to sway opinion ideologically and deliberate misinformation. I am not as informed as I would like to be on this issue, but I can assure you that my experiences with the medical-insurance complex have convinced me that the least of the interests of the medical doctors or the hospitals or the insurance companies is my health. Those of you who are spouting half-baked partisan positions, please step back and consider what's good for the people, not the powers that be. Let's reason together.

the democrats wont change

the democrats wont change the status quo... they promised alot but said nothing of substance to get elected... ensure your representatives know that only a single desk solution will satisfy their voting base and supporters and if they don't deliver what they promised the voters will abandon them as fast as they abandoned the freakish republicans... in 2 years the senate and house can and probably will be back in republican hands unless they act appropriately GET LOUD GET INVOLVED AND GET SERIOUS

Email your two senators and

Email your two senators and house rep to promise that you will not vote for them if they don't support a single payer system.

I was born and raised to

I was born and raised to adulthood in the States. I moved to Canada when I was 19. I have seen first hand the effects of Governmental Medical Policies on both sides of the border. I believe that the debate in the US over health care is moronic, nay, corrupt! I live close to the border and have seen the ad's being run by your Insurance Industry using the ONE Doctor in Canada (educated in Britain I think) who believes that there is more profit in dropping the single payer system and gouging the poor. I am sixty years old and have a chronic heart problem. When I go into emergency and spend ten days in intensive care I walk out without even a signature. No charge. Nada. Zero, Zip ...Sh.. This plan is administered Nationally. It is paid by myself and my employer and the taxpayer (potential recipients of care) Health care is the right of all, not a benefit of the wealthy. This is so basic. Why haven't you got it yet?!

WE HAVE TO FIGHT FOR SINGLE

WE HAVE TO FIGHT FOR SINGLE PAYER The last 3 paragraphs from an article by Amy Goodman, which I found in the Seattle Times, discusses the exact conditions needed to give single payer a chance in congress. The article is located at: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/PrintStory.pl?document_id=2009221164&zsection_id=268883724&slug=opinc15amygoodman&date=20090514 . . .Wisconsin Sen. Russ Feingold, a single-payer advocate, said his position will not likely prevail in Washington: "I don't think there's any possibility that that will come out of this Congress." That's if things remain business as usual. Mario Savio led the Free Speech Movement on the UC Berkeley campus. In 1964, he said: "There comes a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part, you can't even passively take part, and you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop. And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all." "Unless you're free," the Baucus 13 might add, "to speak." The current official debate has locked single-payer options out of the discussion, but also escalated the movement β€” from Healthcare-NOW! to Single Payer Action β€” to shut down the orderly functioning of the debate, until single-payer gets a seat at the table. Amy Goodman is the host of "Democracy Now!," a daily international TV/radio news hour airing on more than 750 stations in North America. Denis Moynihan contributed research to this column. 2009, Amy Goodman

Roosevelt didn't campaign

Roosevelt didn't campaign for the New Deal.

The base forced him into that.

Similarly Obama is not stupid: if enough people hit the street he will see where the wind blows. Right now he only hears the lobbyists from big pharma.

Citizen! Grab your coat! Grab your sandwich and your ticket to DC and march! You can have single payer health care: this is your country, your government that you paid for.

Beware the fatal

Beware the fatal compromise. When Aid for Dependent Children and other welfare measures were begun over a half-century ago, a key compromise with Republicans was that if a father lived in the home, then mother and children would receive less. It makes a sort of naive sense: a father should support his children (if of course he can find a job). But the natural consequence was that fathers left their families in droves. Beware then the fatal compromise with Republicans that will insure rot at the core of health insurance reform. Their heart is not in it and they have nothing of use to offer. For example, the obvious logical consequence of tying health insurance to employment is that one will not, must not get sick while jobless.

In re: "I have seen the

In re: "I have seen the massive damage Medicare can do, with over-medication in particular. It may be that this happens with private insurers as well, but some private insurers are at more risk of being sued for side effects" So many Americans seem unaware of the distinction between insurers and providers. Insurers may deny care; they do not prescribe it. Doctors are the prescribers. There is nothing about a single-payer public option that requires that only certain doctors participate, or that one visit only certain doctors, unless the Congress writes the law that way. (And clearly, it would not be in the public interest to do so.) There is nothing in the way that Medicare is set up that limits one to doctors who over-prescribe. Of course, while one might choose not to take medication that has been prescribed but seems to have been so inappropriately, once you're in hospital and barely functional, refusal may be difficult or even impossible to act on. However, this is true who-ever the insurer may be.

I called both of my

I called both of my republican senators this afternoon and asked them for their position on a single payer option, or a public option at the very least, in the health care reform proposals currently being debated in the senate. I was told both times that the senator did not support a public plan, but one staffer said that he leaned toward a private approach but had not yet issued a definite position on healthcare reform. I asked why the senator did not support a public option or single payer solution and was told both times that the senator thought that the private sector was best at managing healthcare, not the government. I then asked them what evidence the senator used to come to that conclusion... and the silence was deafening. I had to restate my question before they understood what I asked. I said that I had looked into healthcare reform and could not find a single bit of evidence for the senators' position other than the influence of health insurance companies. I told them that Bill Moyer's' Journal had some excellent guests on a few weeks back who explained why only a single payer approach could dramatically cut costs while insuring everyone. I told them that I could not find a single credible expert that thought anything but single payer would solve our problems and save our economy. Neither staffer could answer my question or provide any evidence and both promised to 'get back to me.' I also asked if the senators took campaign contributions from the for-profit health industry and was eventually told they did not have that information because it was illegal for them to have anything to do with campaigns. I figured they would not tell, but thought it a good idea to ask anyway.

To any elected democrat who

To any elected democrat who thinks that he or she can stonewall and deny us a single-payer system: I hereby put you on notice, I can MAKE phone calls! Take that to the bank. Won't vote yes, you will be history!