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DOJ Reveals Details About Cheney's Interview With Patrick Fitzgerald

by: Jason Leopold, t r u t h o u t | Report

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Former Vice President Dick Cheney. (Photo: Getty Images)

    In early fall 2003, as the scandal over leaking a covert CIA officer's identity was exploding, President George W. Bush claimed not to know anything about the leak and called on anyone in his administration who had knowledge to come "forward with the information so we can find out whether or not these allegations are true."

    How disingenuous the president's appeal was has been underscored again by a new Justice Department court filing sketching out the contents of the 2004 interview between special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald and Vice President Dick Cheney.

    Though the Obama administration continues to balk at releasing the full contents of the Cheney interview, it did reveal that Bush and Cheney were in contact about the scandal, including what is described as "a confidential conversation" and "an apparent communication between the Vice President and the President."

    The filing in a federal court case also makes clear that Cheney was at the center of White House machinations rebutting criticism from former US Ambassador Joseph Wilson, who charged in summer 2003 that the Bush administration had "twisted" intelligence to justify invading Iraq in March 2003. While seeking to discredit Wilson, administration officials disclosed to reporters that Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, worked for the CIA.

    Bush and his subordinates then sought to deny a White House hand in the leak. White House press secretary Scott McClellan later apologized for his role in the deception in his 2008 book, "What Happened," saying that Bush and four other high-ranking officials caused him to lie to the public in clearing Bush's political adviser Karl Rove and Cheney's chief of staff I. Lewis Libby of any responsibility for the Plame leak.

    "I had unknowingly passed along false information," McClellan wrote. "And five of the highest ranking officials in the administration were involved in my doing so: Rove, Libby, Vice President Cheney, the president's chief of staff [Andrew Card], and the president himself."

    Eventually, the cover-up led to the prosecution of Libby, who was found guilty in 2007 of four counts of perjury and obstruction of justice, but Bush commuted Libby's 30-month prison sentence.

    When Fitzgerald's investigation came to a close with only that one prosecution, questions were raised about his reasoning for not bringing legal action against Bush, Cheney, or other senior officials implicated in the leak and cover-up. Those questions led to Congressional requests for the Bush-Cheney interviews and to the current Freedom of Information court case.

    In its new court filing, the Obama administration opposed release of the Cheney interview, but described the topics discussed. Besides the contacts with Bush, the filing referenced Cheney's questions to the CIA about its decision to send Wilson to Africa in 2002 to investigate - and ultimately refute - suspicions that Iraq was seeking yellowcake uranium from the African country of Niger.

    Cheney also was asked about his role in arranging a statement by then-CIA Director George Tenet taking responsibility for including a misleading claim about the African uranium in Bush's 2003 State of the Union address, and Cheney's discussions with Libby and other White House officials about how to respond to inquiries regarding the leak of Plame's identity, the court filing said.

    Fitzgerald also questioned Cheney about his participation in the decision to declassify parts of a 2002 National Intelligence Estimate regarding Iraq's alleged WMD. It ultimately fell to Bush to clear selected parts of the NIE so they could be leaked as part of the White House campaign to disparage Wilson.

    Obama's Resistance

    A public interest group, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, is seeking access to Fitzgerald's interview with Cheney under the Freedom of Information Act and now has confronted refusals from both the Bush administration and the Obama administration.

    Though President Obama declared a new era of openness when he entered the White House in January, he has recently had his administration's lawyers resist releasing information about the secret dealings of the Bush administration.

    In the CIA leak case, Justice Department lawyers claimed that disclosing Cheney's interview might discourage future government officials from cooperating with criminal inquiries.

    "In any such investigation, it will be important that White House officials be able to provide law enforcement officials with a full account of relevant events," said Lanny Breuer, assistant attorney general for the criminal division.

    "Baseless, partisan allegations that easily could be investigated and dismissed through voluntary interviews now may have to be investigated through the specter of the grand jury process. In addition, if law enforcement interviews are routinely subject to public disclosure, there could be a significant risk of politicization of law enforcement files and investigations, which could undermine the integrity and effectiveness of, and public confidence in, those investigations."

    Last month, during a court hearing on the case, Justice Department attorney Jeffrey Smith told the judge that release of the transcript might open Cheney to ridicule from late-night comics and thus could discourage other White House officials from cooperating with government prosecutors.

    "If we become a fact-finder for political enemies, they aren't going to cooperate," Smith said during a court hearing. "I don't want a future Vice President to say, 'I'm not going to cooperate with you because I don't want to be fodder for The Daily Show.'"

    When asked by US District Court Judge Emmet Sullivan whether the Obama administration was standing behind the refusal of Bush's Justice Department to release the transcript, Smith answered, "This has been vetted by the leadership offices.... This is a department position."

    Melanie Sloan, executive director of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, said, "It is astonishing that a top Department of Justice political appointee is suggesting other high-level appointees are unlikely to cooperate with legitimate law enforcement investigations. What is wrong with this picture?"

    Fitzgerald told a Congressional committee last year that the interviews he conducted with Cheney and Bush in 2004 were not protected by grand jury secrecy rules, nor were there any prearranged agreements to keep the interview transcripts secret.

    The insistence on keeping the interviews secret arose late in the Bush administration when Congress sought the transcripts. Bush's Justice Department cited executive privilege and national security in refusing to turn them over as well as the speculation about the effect on future White House cooperation with investigations.

    The Obama administration has now taken up that banner while also adding concerns about possible comic use of the transcripts.

    More CIA Delays

    The CIA leak case was only one of two examples this week of the Obama administration going back on its word about government transparency.

    On Thursday, the Justice Department said it would not release until the end of the summer a CIA inspector general's report that was believed to have been sharply critical of the Bush administration's torture program. Even then, the Justice Department said there is no guarantee that any part of the report would be declassified.

    The announcement was made following several previous delays in the long-running court case between the CIA and the American Civil Liberties Union. The ACLU filed a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit to gain access to the report and other documents related to the treatment of prisoners.

    The Justice Department, acting on behalf of the CIA, previously told US District Court Judge Alvin Hellerstein that the agency would re-evaluate whether the report's contents could be at least partially released by June 19. The CIA then requested two extensions - to June 26 and then July 1.

    "The Report poses unique processing issues," the Justice Department said in a letter on Thursday. "It is over 200 pages long and contains a comprehensive summary and review of the CIA's detention and interrogation program.

    "The Report touches upon the information contained in virtually all of the remaining 318 documents remanded for further review. Although the Government has endeavored in good faith to complete the review of the Special Review Report first, as we have gone through the process, we have determined that prioritizing the Report is simply untenable....

    "We have determined that the only practicable approach is to first complete the review of the remaining 318 documents, and then apply the withholding determinations made with respect to the information in those documents to the Special Review Report....One month into that process, we have concluded that we must review all of the documents together, and that the review will take until August 31, 2009."

    ACLU Objections

    The ACLU, in a letter to Hellerstein, said it "strenuously" opposes the two-month delay, which would amount to "a fourth extension" of the original deadline.

    Jameel Jaffer, director of the ACLU's National Security Project, said the CIA "has already had more than five months to review the inspector general's report, and the report is only about two hundred pages long."

    "We're increasingly troubled that the Obama administration is suppressing documents that would provide more evidence that the CIA's interrogation program was both ineffective and illegal," Jaffer said. "President Obama should not allow the CIA to determine whether evidence of its own unlawful conduct should be made available to the public. The public has a right to know what took place in the CIA's secret prisons and on whose authority."

    Amrit Singh, an ACLU staff attorney who has been working on the case, said it's "apparent that the CIA report is not being delayed for legitimate reasons, but to cover up evidence of the agency's illegal and ineffective interrogation practices....

    "It is time for the President to hold true to his promise of transparency and once and for all quash the forces of secrecy within the agency. The American public has a right to know the full truth about the torture that was committed in its name."

  

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Jason Leopold is the Deputy Managing Editor at Truthout. He is the author of the Los Angeles Times bestseller, News Junkie, a memoir. Visit www.newsjunkiebook.com for a preview.

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Perhaps this is naive, but

Perhaps this is naive, but I'd say POTUS promised that HIS administration would be transparent. He is not bound to make the PREVIOUS one retrospectively transparent... It was their responsibility. And it remains their responsibility whenever questions are asked THEM. POTUS' word and integrity are hardly at issue here.

after you read the above

after you read the above article, then look again at the picture of V.P.Dick Cheney to find out who leaked what. Trust me I'm the V.P.

I believe that Obama has to

I believe that Obama has to play a very careful game. He can't go head-to-head against the secret organizations in the government, or he will be killed. Therefore, he has to do what he can to steer this massive ship in another direction, while cleverly avoiding ruffling too many feathers in the groups that would take him out. I'm sure we citizens are clueless when it comes to the game of government.

To borrow a phrase from

To borrow a phrase from General Schwarzkopf, this excuse is a load of "Bovine Scatology". Politicians are, of necessity, the thickest-skinned people on the planet. They have to be veritable pachyderms to endure the lashings they get on a daily basis in the press and from their political opponents. So, whining about being the subject of TV comics' ridicule is pure nonsense. As to the claim that future government officials might be discouraged from cooperating with criminal inquiries, this is the reason we have sworn testimony and grand jury investigations - in which no 5th amendment shelter may be employed. Answer up or go to jail. If it's good enough for news reporters, it's good enough for the leaders of our government.

The Obama Administration,

The Obama Administration, the Bush Administration, the "Justice Department" - they are all crooks and liars so therefore don't want anything investigated. Obama's "new openness" isn't very impressive. No cleansing sunlight here. Meanwhile the young, naive men and women of America are sent to maim and murder innocents in foreign lands.

What a sad joke our country

What a sad joke our country has become. Even under a false promise of 'change,' politicians and their cronies can commit whatever crime amuses them, up to and including murder. Think about the twisted reasoning here: If public official's statements are made public, then somebody in the future might not cooperate. But I guess that doesn't matter, they aren't going to cooperate anyway, since they might be mocked by a television comedian. Remember when these feeble excuses would have been laughed out of the room? Remember when the NYT published the Pentagon Papers? Now they kill stories about war crimes at the behest of the criminals. Times have changed for the worse, and the US is a shell, a third-rate power, self-inflicted, greed-based, slow suicide.

I voted for change. Barak

I voted for change. Barak Obama campaigned on the promise of transparency. It has been quite disappointing to see the new president protecting Bush and Cheney. In this way, the new president is doing two things: not keeping his promises and not supporting open government. In a democracy people are supposed to know what's happening. They are not supposed to have a government which seeks to hide criminality. I'm extremely happy to have Mr. Obama in office. The people of this country deserved something different than Bush was offering. However, I waiting to see if the new president will redeem himself in subsequent actions.

A simple rebuttal to the

A simple rebuttal to the argument (of BOTH Administrations) that disclosure of such interviews and/or documents "might discourage future government officials from cooperating with criminal inquiries" deflects from one of the fundamental purposes of such investigation, to wit: DETERRENCE of future "misbehaviour" for fear of prosecution! Since it has now become patently obvious that the eight Bush Years have engendered a governmental "arrogance" and disregard for the Rule of Law unparalleled in our history, it has also become similarly as obvious that an ethical "re-education" of appointees AND electees is necessary. And, that re-education should begin RIGHT NOW! . . .And, what a terrific opportunity for the Obama Administration to take the lead. . .I also firmly believe that, if the Obamas are seriously looking to the 2010 and 2012 elections, that taking an aggressive position on this (and, other "ethical" issues) would virtually assure them of, to use a horse racing term, a "walkover!!!!" "You betcha!!!" as Sarah might put it!

"If we become a fact-finder

"If we become a fact-finder for political enemies, they aren't going to cooperate," Smith said during a court hearing. "I don't want a future Vice President to say, 'I'm not going to cooperate with you because I don't want to be fodder for The Daily Show.'" What a thoroughly lame excuse. Hopefully, late night comedy will run it through the mill. Meanwhile, Obama's being as transparent as a brick wall.

Scott McClellan has already

Scott McClellan has already stated publicly that Bush admitted to him that "I authorized" the leak of Valerie Plame Wilson's identity as an undercover CIA officer. /s/ Paul Andrew Mitchell Private Attorney General

Is the Cheney photo by Getty

Is the Cheney photo by Getty images affiliated with Getty Oil? Inquiring minds wish to know.

If they committed no crimes

If they committed no crimes politicians would not fear being investigated nor disclosing their interviews. Why is Obama holding back?

This excuse of not wanting

This excuse of not wanting to be fodder for late night comedy is crap. If vice presidents in the future don't want to be made fun of, the just don't break the law. Don't lie, don't cheat, don't do deals with the devil. Its pretty simple. Don't out CIA agents, don't invade other countries and don't fly planes into buildings. If you've done nothing wrong you've got nothing to be afraid of.

Get used to it the whole

Get used to it the whole world in now a comedy show comedians know how to sort through the B S as to what is actually happening instead of conducting long inter views with liars for the corporate media.

Amazing how monstrous war

Amazing how monstrous war criminals can get away with it when they serve the 'grand purpose' of establishing an US foothold on other countries' resources; these people have lied all along this murderous process; however, Mr. Obama is right in making a careful approach to this or they will kill him and whoever opposes this mob. We all hope to see them behind bars one day.

Vertually EVERY disclosure

Vertually EVERY disclosure clearly indicates criminal activity or plotting, Literally MOST are clearly illegal under any definition of numerous laws, and only RARELY can the overwelming secrecy be justified as "National Security. Byn far MOST are only intended to cover up the almost constaint criminality of the establishment leaders and their hired underlings (which includes "Our" government representatives/officials). What is DESERATELY required is for the people to establish a totally diffrerent social government OF THE PEOPLE TO BE "GOVERNED". Call it a Social Democracy if you like, or call it Hell or Peanut Butter, but it is finally becoming quite clear to mkore every day that all the blood, Sweat and Tears-LITERALY-shed by ordinary good people since day one has had little or no real effect on the theft, misery, destruction and death of untold Millions over time. The VERY SAME distortions, disimformation, twisting (and flat-out LIES) that bring us constant war, financial theft from wage earners, class superiority, corrupt legal system, has long filled us with putting down any and all appearance of "The Left", ie Democrats, liberals, progressives, labor, etc, etc", and has only elevated the "Republicans, the right, big business, financial sector, the establishment, et al, to a virtual holy level. That we must develop a people-based,social civilization has become a life-or-distinction matter. No longer can the system abuse and ravage the earth -Our Home- without payback. ~John L.

First of all the wars that

First of all the wars that we are in, partly because the so called weapons of mass destruction are proof of the failure of our "intelligence" services. Second: Our presidents and others high in the government are using "security" as an excuse to behave in a criminal manner such as hiding misbehavior in high places. This is shameful and destructive of the faith the citzens should have in their government. Maybe before we elect these guys we should expose them to some instructions in ethical behavior.

And we wonder why people

And we wonder why people don't vote. Why our voters, including me, get so jaded. How often do we have to hear that we get to pick the lessor of the evils?

Paddy wrote: " . . . POTUS

Paddy wrote: " . . . POTUS promised that HIS administration would be transparent. He is not bound to make the PREVIOUS one retrospectively transparent... POTUS' word and integrity are hardly at issue here." I'm sorry, but I think this is just wrong. He's covering up crimes committed in the precious administration, crimes that are his responsibility to investigate and prosecute. He's hiding from the people the extent of his complicity with the Bushies, the extent, severity, and authorship of the crimes he's not prosecuting. His word and integrity are at issue here. And this betrayal of the people who campaigned for him, supported him and voted for him shows that he too is another lying crook in office.

I have never thought that

I have never thought that there can be any valid reason for 'executive privilege', considering how many ugly facts it can gloss over. Nor can there surely be a good reason for preserving past 'national security' at this stage of the game - or to bolster certain practices in the future. As for 'comic use of transcripts', the administration should, I feel bound to mention, take a leaf out of British custom, which, when given the opportunity, makes great comic use, in all the media, of satire and sheer comedy - all of which simply cheers us all up, strengthens transparency and therefore does good, unless it is presented in a dishonestly vicious way. But perhaps some politicians have souls too sensitive to face such public teasing. Furthermore, considering how much worldwide speculation there now is about the 'torture program', surely the world, including the US government, should applaud the CIA member who disapproved of it and sought to bring it into the light of common knowledge. Or am I being naive to presuppose that any leader can ever bring her- or himself to living up to his declared ideals when faced with the actualities of office? But I shall, if so rudely awakened, feel devastated that Barack Obama has not found himself able to withstand the blandishments from the truth-twisting tongues of some of those around him.

Endemic corruption in high

Endemic corruption in high places seems to foul all who come into contact with it. God bless the OLCU, Fitzgerald, all those like them and all who support them with their bucks and their time in the hope of bringing the truth forward.

Am I naive to think that O

Am I naive to think that O is trying to accomplish so much that he is not prepared to allow his historic presidency to be sidetracked - right now - by these issues? Hopefully it's just for now - until he gets some big problems handled. Otherwise he will be saddled with "aiding and abetting" the criminal activities of the prior administration.

I hope the materials will be

I hope the materials will be declassified but I wonder how much good that will do. The results of the Kerry subcommittee investigating Reagan's guns for drugs program was declassified in 1998, yet the media pretend they can't find the materials although they can be read on the internet. The National Security Archive at George Washington University makes them available. nsarchive.org

Glad to see others pointing

Glad to see others pointing out the glaring foolishness of the following - "Justice Department lawyers claimed that disclosing Cheney's interview might discourage future government officials from cooperating with criminal inquiries...'In addition, if law enforcement interviews are routinely subject to public disclosure, there could be a significant risk of politicization of law enforcement files and investigations, which could undermine the integrity and effectiveness of, and public confidence in, those investigations.'" If this is the level of Justice Dept. opinions these days, then expect the ridicule to come from far more sources than just late-night talk shows.

Anonymous 21:57 wrote: ". .

Anonymous 21:57 wrote: ". . . O is trying to accomplish so much that he is not prepared to allow his historic presidency to be sidetracked - right now - by these issues? . . . Otherwise he will be saddled with "aiding and abetting" the criminal activities of the prior administration." The Republicans have been accused of going wrong by placing their party ahead of the country. From where I sit, it looks like Obama is placing bipartisanship ahead of serving the interests of the people. What's the difference between devotion to one party to the detriment of the people an devotion to the biparty to the detriment of the people? Helen Caldicott used to say, 'America is the only country in the world with one party with two right wings." Things will not change as long as we keep thinking that the Democrats are alternatives to the Republicans and vice versa. Obama seems to want to be the great peace-maker, bridging the enmity between the two halves of the great national biparty, but the Republicans don't want to party with him, or biparty with him (Goldwater's famaous statement was, 'There's no substitute for victory.'). Meanwhile, Obama's selling the people who elected him down the river trying to be that peace-maker.

Believing with James

Believing with James Douglass [JFK and the Unspeakable] that the CIA orchestrated the assassination of Kennedy, I have some sympathy with the commentators here who say Obama must try not to get assassinated. Still, Obama and everyone must appreciate how unsatisfactory it is to say, as effectively Obama does, "terrible crimes have been committed" and in the same breath "no one will be cited as a criminal." Perhaps We the People find much to approve in the criminal careers of Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, and Yoo. Rumsfeld is at Stanford; Yoo is at Berkeley; and all four of these look destined to pass into history as paragons of American behavior.

I think Obama promised that

I think Obama promised that HIS administration would be transparent. Right now the most important items on his plate are global climate change, national health care, and relations with foreign countries. I think we ought to give him a pass on some of these other problems while he works to accomplish these three most important items.

Oh my! Such BS..The Justice

Oh my! Such BS..The Justice department has already fed the comics enuff fodder to last them for years..Lets get real.Perhaps I am wishful thinking, but lets hope additional time will give Obama an opportunity to address these issues in a more direct and honest way.

Respect for the rule of law

Respect for the rule of law is a "trickle-down" phenomenon. Clearly Obama believes that Federal law does not apply to everyone, only to the non-elite and those who are not politicians. The U.S. economy was brought to its knees by a relative Wall Street handful, yet the only prosecutions you hear about are of those who have perpetrated giant Ponzi schemes. It is no surprise that Joseph Cassano (former head of AIG's Financial Products unit) and his ilk haven't been charged with their crimes. We have a President who has a "Wall Street" Cabinet, who lied to get elected, and who fooled millions of voters (ONCE) with his promises of "change." NOTHING has changed (Obama suckered us on that promise of openness and transparency). If those who think Obama should "wait" to keep his campaign promises, to respect the law, to institute real change in Washington, lest he be killed by CIA Goons, then what hope is there for this country? Unless Sarah Palin runs for President on the Republican ticket in 2012, there is no chance in hell that Obama will be reelected.

"Smith said during a court

"Smith said during a court hearing. "I don't want a future Vice President to say, 'I'm not going to cooperate with you because I don't want to be fodder for The Daily Show." Waaaaa, waaaaa...sounds like a little baby crying to me. Perhaps if even more of these brigands became "fodder" for the Daily Show, we'd have less of their bs with which to put up...oops! I forgot...they have NO SHAME and deep down don't really care how much Stewart, Letterman or Colbert et. al., skewer them; they do whatever they want anyway, including our new president, despite his campaign promises. Remember, folks, promises are made to be broken, more so if their made during an election campaign.

Isn't it sad that late night

Isn't it sad that late night comedians are doing a better job of getting the truth to us than the mainstream media.

Just a thought.. Make it

Just a thought.. Make it mandatory for any and all politicians running for office/or in office to be attached at all times to a lie detector that is displayed.

So now it can be told -- DoJ

So now it can be told -- DoJ and Dick Cheney are afraid of terrorist attacks by comedians. I'm tired of sending in the clowns to Washington -- it's time we had more comedians like Al Franken instead.

Beware of jackals that

Beware of jackals that 'manufacture' truth instead of advocating its disclosure.

"DOJ Reveals Details About

"DOJ Reveals Details About Cheney's Interview With Patrick Fitzgerald" Excuse me, but what "details" about Cheney's interview with Patrick Fitzgerald were revealed by this (excellent, albeit repetitive) review of the government's efforts to not reveal details of Cheney's interview with Fitzgerald of of the CIA's torture investigation? This article is an example of 'bait & switch" & of the recycling of old information under new titles. How about a little truth in advertising here?

Things will never

Things will never change. All politicians are crooks and liars. America is a fascist country.

The most reviled vice

The most reviled vice president in U.S. history used to be Aaron Burr, with whom Dick Cheney has other things in common. They were both traitors. Burr tried to form his own country west of the Appalachians; Cheney tried to form his inside his head. They were both handy with firearms, having each shot an acquaintance; Burr's aim was better, though.

Those people who still

Those people who still believe that Barack Obama is who he claims to be are naive at best. Obama was put in the White House by the most carefully crafted propaganda campaign in US history. The Federal Reserve, a private corporation, has seized control of our country while the vast majority of Americans snoozed in wishful thinking. Now comes Obama, protecting the most insidious traitor in US history: Dick Cheney! That in itself is treason. Obama as gone back on his word so many times already that it is hard to believe that anyone able to maintain their denial in the face of his outright fraud. Even Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has now refuted Obama. Those of you who think this is harsh must ask why Obama still has not restored Habeas Corpus. It seems that Barack Obama may have sold his soul to become the first African American President of the once proud country whose fate he now seals in disgrace.