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McNamara's Ghost

by: William Rivers Pitt, t r u t h o u t | Columnist

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Robert S. McNamara, secretary of defense under presidents Kennedy and Johnson, passed away on Monday. (Photo: "Fog Of War")

    Any military commander who is honest with himself, or with those he's speaking to, will admit that he has made mistakes in the application of military power. He's killed people unnecessarily - his own troops or other troops - through mistakes, through errors of judgment. A hundred, or thousands, or tens of thousands, maybe even a hundred thousand. But, he hasn't destroyed nations. And the conventional wisdom is don't make the same mistake twice, learn from your mistakes. And we all do. Maybe we make the same mistake three times, but hopefully not four or five.

    - Robert S. McNamara

    One of the last knights of Camelot, of the New Frontier, is gone. Robert S. McNamara, secretary of defense under presidents Kennedy and Johnson, former president of Ford Motor Co. and the World Bank, husband, father and chief architect of America's catastrophic war in Vietnam and Southeast Asia, passed away at home after years of declining health. He was 93.

    "Mr. McNamara is best remembered and in some quarters still reviled for the seven years he spent at the Pentagon and the part he played in waging the Vietnam War," read McNamara's obituary in the Boston Globe. "In 1995, he published his memoir, 'In Retrospect: The Tragedy and Lessons of Vietnam,' in which he wrote that he and other top officials were 'terribly wrong' to pursue the war. The controversy that erupted demonstrated the extent to which the nation's scars remained unhealed. Others can also be assigned responsibility for escalating the US role in the conflict during that time: Presidents John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson, National Security Adviser McGeorge Bundy, and Secretary of State Dean Rusk. To many, though, it was 'McNamara's war,' as US Senator Wayne Morse of Oregon once put it."

    The timing of his passing saw McNamara join a motley crew of notables and celebrities who have shuffled loose the mortal coil in the last two weeks. Ed McMahon, Farrah Fawcett, Michael Jackson, Billy Mays, Steve McNair; each of these luminaries got a share of media coverage - some more than others, of course - and McNamara was no different. Every major newspaper in America treated the death of McNamara as front-page news, and the only reason his passing was not part of the rotation on the cable networks on Tuesday was because they were very slowly burying Michael Jackson in Los Angeles.

    Some other people also died in the last two weeks. Two International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) soldiers were killed in Afghanistan on July 1. Three members of a family were killed by rocket fire on the same day. Two British soldiers and one American soldier were killed in Afghanistan on July 2. Another American soldier was captured. A Canadian soldier was killed by a roadside bomb in Afghanistan on July 3. Two American soldiers were killed on the Fourth of July. A US Marine and three UK troops were killed in Afghanistan on July 5. Seven US troops were killed in Afghanistan on July 6. In the last two days, five Iraqi policemen and two Iraqi soldiers were killed in Baghdad. Five more policemen were killed in Mosul. Thirty-eight Coalition troops were killed in June in Afghanistan, and 19 have been killed in the first week of July. In Afghanistan, 1,220 Coalition troops have died since 2001. Fifteen US troops were killed in June in Iraq, and 4,321 have died since 2003.

    None of these people got the same kind of ink as McMahon, Fawcett, Jackson, Mays, McNair or McNamara, but they are just as dead. The passing of McNamara and the deaths of all those soldiers belong in the same column, because they are all part of the same long, sad, blood-soaked story.

    Vietnam was an exercise in hubris, deception and profiteering that McNamara spent the latter half of his life trying to justify, live down and explain away. The soldiers who have died in Iraq and Afghanistan would recognize Robert McNamara, for they were consigned to the grave by McNamara's modern replacements. Rumsfeld, Powell, Wolfowitz, Feith, Rove, Libby and the other Bush administration officials who ginned up two wars and made abject debacles of both are the modern inheritors of McNamara's curse. As are the soldiers and civilians who have been chewed up and annihilated. As are we all.

    Robert McNamara taught us all we needed to know about the folly of war, about aftermath and about regret. Nobody listened, nobody learned, except for the dead.

  

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William Rivers Pitt is a New York Times and internationally bestselling author of two books: "War on Iraq: What Team Bush Doesn't Want You to Know" and "The Greatest Sedition Is Silence." His newest book, "House of Ill Repute: Reflections on War, Lies, and America's Ravaged Reputation," is now available from PoliPointPress.

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mcnamara may have been the

mcnamara may have been the "architect" of the war but architects operate within the dimensions of limits, objectives, a plan set forth by the one in charge. the one in charge was LBJ. mcnamara is bearing at least some of the blame for lbj's "project."

I really dislike myself when

I really dislike myself when I cannot control that primal visceral almost autonomic feeling of rage and hate that comes up when the names of certain rare individuals come up. I do not like what they make me become and feel. The name Robert Strange McNamara is one of them. Colin Powell is another. When I hear either, the parting whispers at the end of the movie "Apocalypse Now" rustle through the brain: "The horror. The horror." I must find a recording of the Kate Long tune, "McNamara's Tear" someday. It will serve as my (secretary of) defense.

Why do Barack Obama, Hillary

Why do Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Richard Holbrooke have to wait as long as Robert MacNamara did, in the case of Vietnam, to conclude that their wars in Afghanistan and Pakistan were dreadful mistakes?

In Errol Morris's film THE

In Errol Morris's film THE FOG OF WAR McNamara admits many "errors" and tries to show how future leaders might learn from them, yet remarkably he shows little genuine remorse. Even when acknowledging that he and Curtis LeMay would have been prosecuted as war criminals if the US had lost the war in Japan, even when admitting he was a war criminal for his role in the fire bombing of Japanese cities, he treats it with irony. Millions of people were killed as a result of his engineering. And to him it still was like an engineering problem. In his view his legacy in this film and his book about Vietnam is to "correct" similar errors so future leaders can do differently. But it's not about "errors" and "corrections"; it's about the horrific consequences of violence, and until that becomes the first principle, the starting point, there is no hope that McNamara's heirs could learn to be, and thus act, different.

"If you find two arms or

"If you find two arms or legs count them as two enemy soldiers..." Robert S. McNamara He and his Viet Nam War, were responsible for an entire generation of Liberals slowly drifting to vote Republican. What sealed the deal for Catholics to abandon the Democratic Party, was abortion. JFK was murdered precisely because he REFUSED to escalate beyond advisors. He had already made murderous enemies among Big Steel for his delivery of the well deserved humiliation of US Steel's CEO Roger Blough. There was no mystery and I and other's predicted exactly how and when they would assassinate JFK, and as Woody Allen said, "I am busy writing the non-fiction version of the Warren Report." I detested McNamara for his hubris and his part in killing and maiming my friends and the VietNamese. I am glad he lived long enough to whine and cry publicly begging forgiveness for his part in the war and then in the next breath rationalizing it. I have no more pity for him than for Bush, who will rue the day he started the present "war." Eventually both of them will find out if Dante' was correct about the structure of Hell. The only thing that keeps passionate, empathetic, and intelligent men from insanity or from worse is the belief in a Just God.

Only the dead have seen the

Only the dead have seen the end of war. -Plato

It is not true what William

It is not true what William Rivers Pitt says: that the death of Robert McNamara and the recent dead soldiers from Iraq and Afghanistan "belong in the same column" because they are all part of the same bloodsoaked story. Robert McNamara lived to be rich and old, to have the luxury of slow regret and hollow apology. Those soldiers were mostly kids -- maybe a few in their 30's -- and they were just living day to day, trying to be good soldiers and patriots, trying to figure out what the hell they'd signed up for. I feel sorry for McNamara's children with whom he long ago argued the rightness of his course. It is terrible to have your father die reviled.

Stop laying the Viet Nam War

Stop laying the Viet Nam War at the feet of Lyndon Johnson. Sure he prolonged it out of the need to satisfy the urges and greed of a Congress that gave the War to the original perpetrator, John F. Kennedy. Johnson would not have started down the path in the first place and it was the reason that he did not run for another term. Johnson anguished over all the decisions he had to make because Lee Harvey Oswald (sic!) put him there. He was no hero but he was not the primary villain by any means. PRF

Whatever lessons Robert

Whatever lessons Robert McNamara may have tried to teach us about the fog and folly of war have missed their window of opportunity to be told along with the announcement of his death; the entire Media was instead focused on the golden coffin of an entertainment star. Perhaps this is an indication of the true core of America: unleash your armies to destroy lives and nations and keep the people fat, dumb and happy at home with bread and circuses. We will deserve what we get.

H.L. Mencken (1902): "War is

H.L. Mencken (1902): "War is just God's way of teaching Americans geography." All those wars were are OUR wars, because we citizens are so determinedly ignorant about the world around us. The Vietnam war began as soon as the French signed the peace accords in 1954 - John Foster Dulles and Eisenhower (who seems to have never seen a covert op he didn't like) abrogated the pledge to hold elections in South Vietnam because Ho Chi Minh would have won, so that war far predates Kennedy. Could we add a small plaque to the beautiful Vietnam Vet's memorial to remind onlookers that McNamara's estimate of the Vietnamese dead was 3,400,000 (and he should know..)? As to present ignorant neocons that think we could skate the edge of nuclear disaster with 'precision' nuclear bunker-buster bombs, McNamara in his book was very clear on how stupid the though of unleashing any nuclear genie is. Reminds me of the bureaucrat who was briefing Eisenhower how in reconstituting American society after a nuclear exchange, they would have ready specific plans for new currency and postage stamps, etc... Ike told him, "Don't you realizee that after a nuclear war, we'd be eating worms? Get out!" We are lucky that in the crazy 1950s we had Ike here and Kruschchev in Moscow, two leaders who'd seen massive war close up (Kruschchev, of course, having been military commissar in the Stalingrad/Kursk battle zones (Can you say, "ultimate meatgrinder?" The next time we're told we have to send our sons and daughters (of the poor, of course, since there's no draft anymore!) somewhere to "defend American interests" - LET'S DEMAND TO BE SHOWN A LIST OF THOSE INTERESTS!! What interests? Halliburton? Exxon? Let them send their own kids...

Because we didn't absorb the

Because we didn't absorb the mistakes of Vietnam, we were bound to repeat them again. Truman started the original funding for the Vietnam war. Eisenhower raised the amount of funding and Kennedy at first sent in "advisors". But one of Kennedy's memos 6 months before he was assassinated was his intention he was going to withdraw from Vietnam. Johnson said " I'll give them their damn war, but I'm going to get my civil rights legislation." Nixon ran for his second term on the platform he was going to end the war. He didn't and the democratic congress cut all the war funds and that is what ended it. McNamara was a traitor to the American people because he gave in to the military industrial complex.

Lies written in ink can

Lies written in ink can never disguise facts written in blood. -Lu Xun 1926

Many excellent posts. When I

Many excellent posts. When I watched the "Fog of War," I could not get past the continued belief in the "justifications" for the war. From what I have read, (The Devil & John Foster Dulles) much of this began with financial support for the French occupation during Eisenhower, when John Foster Dulles made policy of not wanting to do business with non-Christians. The issues of colonialism and natural resources have continually been ignored, while we developed great fear of Communism and its spread. Like today and this so-called fear of socialism and a continued failure to connect the dots on the rationale of these current wars, Mr. McNamara went to his grave seemingly unaware of the true history of his war. This failure of retrospection caused me to look at the "Fog of War" and other repents of McNamara as not providing much valid comment for where we are today, or where we've been.

The devil always does reside

The devil always does reside in the details and Americans are so good at ignoring those pesky little things, particularly when they concern illegal wars in which we are involved. Once again Mr. Pitt has reminded us of that which should be obvious and should be at the top of every news cycle: human beings of many nationalities are dying for nothing, except the usual greed, dominance and oil interests. We are all at fault for allowing it to happen without the loud, regular, massive protests we launched during Vietnam. I think I'm ready to give up hope that we will ever, as a species, learn any lessons if we haven't learned this one. What the hell is the matter with us? Thanks WRP for being a lonely voice in a media wilderness of schlock and stupidity.

The Bard has Antony tell the

The Bard has Antony tell the citizens of Rome at the burial of Caesar: "The evil that men do lives after them; The good is oft interred with their bones " Well, perhaps there was something that went in McNamara's coffin besides his mortal remains, but the evil that lives after him is great, indeed. At the core of that legacy of evil is the establishment, to a degree not previously seen in the affairs of the US government, the practice of intentional misrepresentation and outright lying as a matter of national policy. It was the discovery of the tip of the iceberg of those lies while serving as a Marine in Viet Nam that began to turn me against a war I enlisted to fight. What we have been witness to, and millions of others victims of, these past 8 years is the penultimate result of the McNamara/Kissinger legacy of lying to the press, the Congress, each other and to us; "we the people." I say penultimate as the early days of the Obama term of office has already shown horrifying signs of a continuation of the McNamara gift that keeps on giving. Only time will tell if the costs of the new round of lies-as-policy will eclipse those incurred by LBJ, Tricky Dick, Ronnie Rayguns, George H. W. Bush, Billy Clinton and Idiot Boy. Dave Collins Texas Hill Country contact Vietnam Veterans Against the War

Yes, the torch goes from

Yes, the torch goes from McNamarra to Rumsfeld to Gates--From Kennedy to Johnson to Bush to Obama. Such violence, such terror. Why? Some have argued that we are unable to make a decent society in this country so we go abroad to take our minds off our failures and plunder and occupy the rest of the world. Obama, Gates are but the current crop of leaders who carry out our savage "manifest destiny."

"Robert McNamara taught us

"Robert McNamara taught us all we needed to know about the folly of war, about aftermath and about regret. Nobody listened, nobody learned, except for the dead." RMc didn't teach me anything... I learned about the folly of war by living 25 years with a VN veteran, stationed in DaNang as an interpreter in a supply depot. Sat in front of the hooch and drank hot beer as he and his buddies watched the bombs bursting in air. This was the last driveling melt down of VN. He never regained his sense of self, never found peace; was a wanderer. He comitted suicide after years of wandering about...went into the back yard and shot his head off. Graphic? Yes it is. Painful? yes it is. He suffered for years. We also will suffer for years. Graduations, Weddings, Birthdays. Go back to your" Nobody listened, nobody learned, except for the dead." Oh yes, we did listen. We did learn. We did care. And especially for the dead

Robert McNamara may have

Robert McNamara may have learned an incorrect lesson from the Cuban missile crisis - that the threat of American military action is sure to discourage communist adventurism. He deserves all the criticism he has gotten . But give the man credit. He probably saved the southeast United States from nuclear devastation - perhaps the whole world. Remember always that the Joint Chiefs of Staff, every one of them, recommended air attack on the Soviet missile sites. It is nearly certain that some missiles were operational at the time, ready to launch. The next time you visit Disney World, say a prayer of thanks to Robert McNamara.

The great mystery to me is

The great mystery to me is how the Vietnamese, Laotians, and even the Cambodians, who suffered so much more than the US for all those decades, have managed to preserve their culture, values, souls while the US has pretty much lost all those things. We've learned nothing from all that killing, dying, and lying. Our nation throws away the pearl of wisdom worth more than all we have. Our culture grasps for trash when honor and virtue lie at our feet waiting to be picked up. have we grown so stupid that we cannot tell the difference between worthwhile and worthless in our culture and in our own lives? I thought I'd feel better about McNamara dying than I do. Willing or not, I made McNamara's war my own and his death removes none of my responsibility.

Ike started it, Kennedy

Ike started it, Kennedy continued it, Johnson escalated it, and Nixon lost it. My friends died for it. We're still paying for it.

The political machines are

The political machines are breeding "yes men" and they have been doing it for some 50 years. People hoping to climb the political ladder simply "Go along to get along", and do not have the back-bone to question anything for fear of being labeld a trouble maker. The "yes men" gang up and destroy anyone with the stuff to question authority. This from the local town committees to the highest echelons in Congress. Obama never qustioned anything, he was a community Organizer, he never had to fight for his Senate Seat and he never raised an issue that was controversial. WE now pay the price for having picked another follower.

Mc Namara was an order of

Mc Namara was an order of magnitude superior as a human being and public servant, despite all the mistakes and horrors of the Vietnam war, to the crowd that just passed through. He was trying the best he knew how to obtain success in the unfortunate project that LBJ inherited from JFK and decided to push forward to the lasting regret of most. Compared to the current neo-con escapades in the middle east, Gitmo and rendition sites, the Vietnam war was an honest mistake in an era when imminent nuclear annihilation and the challenge of a genuine global rival was real (notwithstanding all the lies about the missile gap). Before being called to DC by LBJ McNamara was at Ford, suggesting ideas about car safety ahead of its time. He was not padding his resume and networking at neo-conservative think tanks while lining his pockets with military-industrial tax dollars biding his time for the next shot at real power as is the case with careerists like Rumsfeld, Cheny, et al. Rumsfeld in particular strikes me as a corrupt self promoter with few redeeming qualities. I can scarcely imagine any of that crowd ever publicly reconsidering their actions as McNamara does in his books and in the Fog of War. They are and were cynical operators in it for the power and the money, the rest is eyewash and propaganda.

Right Dave!..."the practice

Right Dave!..."the practice of intentional misrepresentation and outright lying as a matter of national policy" is exactly what has been going-on, ever since Truman dropped the big one! Those days were rife with the big businessmen all wanting to murder the President for ending their moneymaking massage. In the early 60's our fathers were all wondering what and how they were going to give the future to their sons. The decisions made by the Military-Industrial Complex was just what the doctor ordered! They found that they didn't have-to give their sons anything. The fix was in and the fathers got to keep all that they'd won after WWII. All of the prizes; education, property, businesses, houses, cars, clubs and all the booze they could drink, fit in to their lifestyles, and their sons didn't! Good choice, kill all of their sons and blame it on the dirty commies. Keep the money in our accounts and tell the mothers that it was a tragedy. Obama is smart, but wisdom is not part of his or any current politician's lexicon. You pointed it out - "LBJ, Tricky Dick, Ronnie Rayguns, George H. W. Bush, Billy Clinton and Idiot Boy are all part of the legacy and therefore part of the real problem. Corporate greed. They wouldn't give a nickel for any of the poor bastards that died fighting for them, or against them. We're all the same to them. The reality about the 'American Class System" is that they own it, we pay for it with everything we do. jacksprzak

tmaloney4210 post: Disney.

tmaloney4210 post: Disney. What do you know of the Disney Chair of History at Cambridge? Disney funded this Aryan Model cubed. The Aryan model of history peaked in academia in the 1920's, found popular expression in the genocide of WW2. This was followed by the "extreme Aryan model", to be succeeded by Disney's fictional history, "Ultra Europeanism". It stills means no blacks, no Jews, nohow. It has expanded to Europe from the beginning of time. Everyone else into the ovens. Thank Disney-the violently bigoted.

We would all do well to

We would all do well to reconsider the Gulf of Tonkin incident, McNamara and how that lesson still applies today. It was a fake,a falseflag operation plain and simple. Its one of the oldest tricks in the book to carry countries into war. The 9/11 commission report is not valid and the event deserves a serious second investigation. For gods sake just look at the footage of WTC 7, which wasn't even hit by a plane, and it falls straight down at freefall speed into a neat pile. Even worse, so few people are actually capable of merely considering the idea that the story force fed to us by our own government is not the honest truth.

And yet we never really

And yet we never really learn, or do we? I was some digging into Richard Holbrook's whereabouts because a CIA HUMINT agent leaked some rather interesting information. I came upon internet information placing him doing venture capital work in the biotech segment of the Soros Firm in NYC. George Soros, proponent of "depopulation" and "population control", along with many notable others. Taken in total, it appears that the Vietnam butchery is going to continue, but we're going to hide the atrocities behind a lab grown pandemic like H1N1. The public has been psychologically groomed and prepped for it.... Africa will probably be hit hardest because that is where the resources our rich and richer "leaders" see future wealth. McNamara lives on, embodied in people like the CIA HUMINT agent, who actually sabotaged his own marriage despite the devastating effect he knew it would have on his depressed and drug addicted son, and who seemed to find the whole notion of genocide for resource control to be an exciting new adventure.

Many good posts, but you are

Many good posts, but you are missing one thing. The United States has been going to war, after war, after war - at least since the nineteenth century - not to "save democracy' or any of that other claptrap, but to protect and defend corporations. Forget the presidents and secretaries of state; they are all the same, doing the bidding of the corporate-military-industrial complex. I agree with Bakken, let them send their own kids. Better yet, take to the streets to demand, DEMAND, that the present wars end. They are just more "gunboat diplomacy".

The list of current culprits

The list of current culprits should include Bush2. And note that a common theme with all these war enthusiasts is that they have never personally experienced the horrors of war. I'm afraid Obama, for whom I had high hopes, is showing ever sign of being trapped in the quicksand of war and the military-industrial complex. At his current rate we will be just as deeply immersed by the end of his first term.

From a distance (and as

From a distance (and as someone of America ancestry) it appears to me that violence of any and all kinds must be seen as the very last resort and not as it seems at present, the very first. Cheney, McNamara and their disreputable ilk merely reflect a society apparently obsessed with weaponry and avarice.