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You Do Not Have Health Insurance

by: James Kwak  |  The Baseline Scenario

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At a free clinic in Denver, Colorado, Timothy Taylor - who is unemployed and without health insurance - speaks to his son. (Photo: Getty Images)

    Right now, it appears that the biggest barrier to health care reform is people who think that it will hurt them. According to a New York Times poll, "69 percent of respondents in the poll said they were concerned that the quality of their own care would decline if the government created a program that covers everyone." Since most Americans currently have health insurance, they see reform as a poverty program - something that helps poor people and hurts them. If that's what you think, then this post is for you.

    You do not have health insurance. Let me repeat that. You do not have health insurance. (Unless you are over 65, in which case you do have health insurance. I'll come back to that later.)

    The point of insurance is to protect you against unlikely but damaging events. You are generally happy to pay premiums in all the years that nothing goes wrong (your house doesn't burn down), because in exchange your insurer promises to be there in the one year that things do go wrong (your house burns down). That's why, when shopping for insurance, you are supposed to look for a company that is financially sound - so they will be there when you need them.

    If, like most people, your health coverage is through your employer or your spouse's employer, that is not what you have. At some point in the future, you will get sick and need expensive health care. What are some of the things that could happen between now and then?

  • Your company could drop its health plan. According to the U.S. Census Bureau (see Table HIA-1), the percentage of the population covered by employer-based health insurance has fallen every year since 2000, from 64.2% to 59.3%. *
  • You could lose your job. I don't think I need to tell anyone what the unemployment rate is these days.**
  • You could voluntarily leave your job, for example because you have to move to take care of an elderly relative.
  • You could get divorced from the spouse you depend on for health coverage.
  •     For all of these reasons, you can't count on your health insurer being there when you need it. That's not insurance; that's employer-subsidized health care for the duration of your employment.

        Once you lose your employer-based coverage, for whatever reason, you're in the individual market, where, you may be surprised to find, you have no right to affordable health insurance. An insurer can refuse to insure you or can charge you a premium you can't afford because of your medical history. That's the way a free market works: an insurer would be crazy to charge you less than the expected cost of your medical care (unless they can make it up on their healthy customers, which they can't in the individual market).

        In honor of the financial crisis, let's also point out that all of these risks are correlated: being sick increases your chances of losing your job (and, probably, getting divorced); losing your job reduces your ability to afford health insurance, either through COBRA or in the individual market; if your employer drops its health plan, that's either because health care is getting more expensive (meaning harder for you to afford individually) or the economy is in bad shape (making it harder for you to get a job that does offer health coverage).

        In addition, there is the problem that even if you are nominally covered when you do get sick, your insurer could rescind your policy, or you may find out, as Karen Tumulty's brother did, that your insurance doesn't cover the treatment you need. But while important, this is a second-order problem. The first-order problem is that as long as your health insurance depends on your job, your health is only insured insofar as your job is insured - and your job isn't insured.

        The basic solution is very simple. In Paul Krugman's words: "regulation of insurers, so that they can't cherry-pick only the healthy, and subsidies, so that all Americans can afford insurance." I know that there are lots of details that consume people who know health care better than I do, and I know those details are important. But as an individual who is worried about his or her own health insurance (and that is the point of this post), that's what you want. You want to know that if you lose your job, you won't be shut out because you're too sick,*** and you won't be shut out because you're too poor.

        But we won't get there as long as people remain convinced that health care reform is for poor people. It's for everyone - everyone, that is, who isn't independently wealthy or over the age of 65. Because all of us could lose our jobs. (Have I repeated that point enough?)

        Now, I admit that if you are over 65, health care reform is not for you, because you are in the one group in our society that enjoys true health insurance - insurance that you cannot lose, that is paid for by taxes, and that is effectively guaranteed by the government. So maybe there's nothing in it for you, except perhaps an improvement to the prescription drug component of Medicare. But I cannot believe that, as the only people who have reliable health insurance, you would oppose health care reform that would provide reliable insurance for the rest of us.

        * This doesn't necessarily mean that all those people lost employer-based health coverage because their employers dropped their plans; some of it could be that the employee contributions were increased to the point where they couldn't afford it anymore. 1.1 percentage points of the shift is due to people becoming eligible for Medicare or military health plans.

        ** If you lose your job, or you get divorced from a spouse through whom you get health coverage, you are eligible for continued coverage under COBRA. However: (a) this only necessarily applies if your employer has 20 or more employees; (b) you have to pay the full, unsubsidized cost of your health plan, which can be particularly difficult after losing your job; and (c) it only lasts for eighteen months.

        *** I said earlier that insurers can't charge premiums that are less than the expected cost of your care unless they can make it up on the healthy customers, and they can't in the individual market. But if all insurers are prohibited from doing medical underwriting (pricing based on healthiness), then they will all have to overcharge the healthy customers, and the system could work. This is still a tricky issue - and single-payer (like Medicare) would be much simpler - but it can be made to work even in a competitive market.

        Update: A couple of small things. and one big thing:

        First, I called rescission a "second-order" problem, which was probably surprising, given that my post on it got over 100,000 page views (thanks to the Huffington Post). I meant "second-order" not to mean that it isn't important, but that it is logically subsequent to the question of whether you have health insurance in the first place, and this post is about whether you can count on having health insurance in the first place.

        Second, J.D. points out in the comments that there is a problem with COBRA I didn't mention: If you relocate to an area where your employer doesn't have a plan, then you can't count on it at all.

        Third, a few people said that it was the fault of the administration (or the Democrats generally) that health care reform is framed as a "poverty program." There's something to that point, but I don't think it's quite right (and I didn't put it right in the first paragraph above). I think it is a poverty program - but the vast majority of us are, actually, poor. The combination of job loss and serious illness could wipe out almost anyone (under the age of 65 - actually, anyone over 65 as well, since Medicare doesn't cover extended nursing home care), and we all suffer serious economic insecurity because of it. The political problem is that the median American doesn't identify as poor (although he probably thinks he needs more money) and thinks that poverty programs are for "other people." I think that middle-class and upper-class people should support poverty programs for other people, but that's an unnecessary discussion. My point here is that the vast majority of us are poor, when it comes to health care, and therefore we should get behind reform out of self-interest.

      

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    For anyone who thinks that

    For anyone who thinks that they are safe with their current health care arrangement, they should read this nice litter tid bid of information. Unconscionable Math July 28, 2009 by Taunter http://tauntermedia.com/2009/07/28/unconscionable-math/ It is incredible that so many Americans could be so ignorant and naive. It just baffles the mind. I've been watching these town hall meetings with all the emotional impulses and it makes me so sad to see this. In general, these are good decent people, they're just angry and they don't know who to direct their anger at. It's a tragic story. My best regards, Econolicious

    Succint and eloquent, thank

    Succint and eloquent, thank you. One thing: under the recently passed American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, recently unemployed (laid off) citizens only have to pay 33% of their COBRA premiums, while the previous employer pays 66%, who will then be reimbursed by the US Government. Otherwise, thank you for putting it so plainly and clearly, this is exactly how the argument should be framed.

    Amen to that!

    Amen to that!

    I'm in complete agreement

    I'm in complete agreement with this point of view. However, everyone seems to be under the misconception that Medicare is free. Medicare is not free; it's subsidized. Seniors contribute $1200 to $2500 (or so) each year toward Medicare, depending upon the program. This does not include the prescription drug coverage. As a self-employed person in good health, I was paying close to $5000 a year for individual insurance. I imagine that the Medicare contribution made by each senior might be similar to the contribution people make to employer based plans. Insurance companies seem to get by somehow selling supplemental policies to seniors. It's difficult to understand (outside of the profit motive) why a similar system wouldn't work for the entire country.

    I live in a country with

    I live in a country with excellent universal health care paid out of our taxes - a system that is considerably cheaper and clearly far more effective than the American one. Certainly we live without fear - if we get sick we know we're going to get what we need (sooner or later, depending on what's wrong with us). What is there not to like about it? Watching the American political system tear itself apart over the possibility of universal healthcare leaves me with an open mouthed sense of wonder. Are these people really that stupid, or is this more about the power of big business to manipulate its political lackeys to protect its profits?

    Frankly, we don't need more

    Frankly, we don't need more Health Insurance. We need Health Assurance. which is, yes, what Medicare is about. Insurance Company's profit by establishing "risk pools", as in an under-eighteen male driver, and thus more likely to have an accident, will pay a higher premium. (If not, his likelyhood of "Costing" your insurance company will be spread throughout all the insured in the from of higher premiums) So if you have a prexisting condition, or are overweight, etc. you are, if not denied coverage, charged a premium. As our population becomes older and fatter and diabetic, the cost of your "high risk" must be assigned somewhere. As the costs of treatment go up, so do the Insurance Company premiums, so as to cover increased insurance "settlements." The question is not just whether your "insurer" will physically be there, but whether he will "be there with what you need when you need it". The first thing an Insurance Adjuster is taught is "first find a reason not to pay the claim." Healthcare should not be about having to prove-a-claim, or about being triaged in a "pool" in advance of the disaster. Single Payer health care is Health Assurance. being about assurance of health whether well or sick. We are universes away from that now.

    Good article. But you

    Good article. But you overlook another essential point: Even if you maintain your job, and your company still provides "health care coverage", you won't really know how adequate that "coverage" is until you become seriously ill or injured. A lot of us walk around thinking, "No problem. I have health insurance. I'm protected." Nonsense. Did you know that insurance companies frequently cancel policies as soon as they hear someone gets very sick? Did you know that insurance companies will usually refuse to pay for the treatment or surgery your doctor recommends? And, did you know that because of insurance industry-invented terms like “co pay” and “yearly limit” and “lifetime limit” and “procedure limit”, even if you “have insurance” you could still end up paying tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars? I seriously hope that you or no one in your family ever gets seriously ill or injured. The worst thing about it is the illness or the injury—but the next worst thing is the fact that you can often watch your life savings be stolen overnight. All for the profit of these insurance companies that don’t produce one single thing for our economy.

    this is the consequence of

    this is the consequence of taking single payer-universal coverage off the table from the get go. The discussion was then focused on the uninsured, the people who can't afford the extortion racket. Take a look at history. The only way we got a national retirement plan (Social Security) was in one fell swoop. It was not the result of incremental reform. The reason we STILL HAVE Social security despite 70 plus years of psuedo-conservative attempts to gut it is that EVERYONE had a stake in it. It was in no way a poverty program. This is another example of Democratic leaders, the President included, not being nearly as smart as they claim to be. The alternative interpretation is-- the want health care reform to fail.

    "we've got the best health

    "we've got the best health care system in the world" - except that it is totally broken, expensive, unfair, and is not even health care. It is sickness care. After 50 years of an insurance run system, everyone says we need "reform". So why are we considering keeping the same system? It's time to consider using the system that other countries use. SINGLE PAYER

    Thanks for the article.

    Thanks for the article. AMAZING that regular folks haven't gotten the point that this article makes by now. I would add that our current system of allowing corporate special interests such as the health insurance and pharmaceutical industries to use their millions to shape national laws and policies SHOULD be the place where angered Americans focus their ire. Corporations have effectively purchased the right of the individual to petition Congress, despite their outsized influence (read: huge amounts of money). Lastly, Americans cannot allow the prospect of healthcare reform, which is so important for our economy as well as our health, to be hijacked by ignorant thugs. We must take action.

    Any one who does not

    Any one who does not understand the thinking of the mobs and dissadents at the Congressional Open Houses should invest in Eric Hoffer's "The true Believer" which was republished in2002. The mobs, as were the Brownshirts in 1933, have various unifying factors but one over-rides all, Hoffer notes:"Hatred is the most accessible and comprehensive of all unifying agents. It pulls and whirls the individual away from his own self, makes him oblivious of his weal and his future, frees him of jealousies and self seeking. He becomes an anonymous particle quivvering with a craving to fuse and coalesce with his like in a flaming mass. Heine suggests bthat what Christian love cannot do is rffected by a common hatred."

    This is the best article I

    This is the best article I have seen on the subject. As one who has been on government-run Medicare for several years. Two yrs. ago I broke my ankle in 3 places and my leg, also. The bills came to more than $20K and all I paid out-or-pocket was $34! Most was paid by Medicare, but some came from the supplemental plan I have through my former employer that provides a monthly allowance toward it. The "catch" is that while they've provided it to retirees for 30 yrs. it could be stopped any time by the Board of Supervisors because it isn't a guaranteed benefit. I wish Obama had gone all-out for Medicare for All from the beginning. If that proved to be impossible to pass, then a REAL PUBLIC OPTION, could have been a fallback position. You NEVER tell the "other side" what your rock-bottom minimum is whether you're negotiating a labor contract or selling a house. Now he calls what used to be "health care reform" "health insurance reform", as though he's preparing to back away from a real public option. Please go to Whitehouse.gov and tell Pres.Obama we must AT LEAST have a strong public option, available on "day one" to anyone who wants to sign up for it. If that leads to Medicare for All, so much the better!

    This is excellent. In

    This is excellent. In addition, as I wrote in this post: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/7/1/748975/-Were-From-the-Health-Insurance-Industry-and-Were-Here-to-Help-You Not only am I paying 23 times as much for health insurance premiums as I did 29 years ago, I’m also paying (or trying to pay) an enormous amount more in co-pays, deductibles and other non-covered fees. And most years I pay for all of my medical care out of pocket because my deductibles are not met. And while there are more high tech tests and treatments, there is also an assembly line quality to health care that was not there 20 years ago. The health insurance industry has managed to contort any concept of rational health care funding beyond recognition. We don’t really have an “insurance” system, in which you pay regular premiums but when you get sick you get taken care of. We don’t really have a “savings” system in which you pay into an account that you can use to pay your bills. It’s not that it’s a hybrid, but that it’s neither. We pay regular premiums, maybe for years on end that we don’t see a dime back, and we are still subject to bankrupting bills when we get sick.

    I was covered by a "good"

    I was covered by a "good" insurance play at the place of my employment. Then I had to have a serious operation. Apparently the insurance company gets to decide what rate the doctor should be paid. (The same rate as a doctor in Zaire, I should think). I was left with over $10,000 in medical bills to be paid out of pocket, despite being "insured". The only way to go is to follow the example of more enlightened countries and have universal health care. Cut out the strictly for-profit insurance companies who are only the middlemen and who do not contribute to the quality of your health care.

    If Universal Health Care is

    If Universal Health Care is all that great and wonderful, why do the Canadians come here to get ours? Wake up people its more government control over every aspect of your life from cradle to grave.

    I came to work today to find

    I came to work today to find out that our Employer based health insurance is DROPPING all spousal benefits. If your spouse is currently unemployed and on your plan at work. They will be dropped as of Oct 1st.. job or lack of insurance option regardless.. So.. no.. there is NO insurance you OR your family will be covered even at work! The next thing I expect to see is that they are dropping the children from the employee plan... I wouldn't doubt it...

    If this program is so

    If this program is so wonderful then how come our esteemed politicians are not part of this plan? For that matter how come any government employee is not part of the plan?Also if Medicare or Medicaid programs are bankrupt what makes this a slam dunk? Some has to pay for the program.

    This article really hits

    This article really hits home to me and my husband. After 23 years with the same company and two years from retirement, they fired him for poor health. He lost all of his insurance. It's the same old story: we had worked hard all of our lives, saved for retirement, and lost everything in a single swoop. I was uninsurable because I have diabetes although I have it under control, do not need insulin and have lost 50 lbs. My husband was finally accepted into the VA system and eventually Medicare. I am not eligible for Medicare for seven years. For most of my life I have worked in the healthcare provider industry. I was asked to work for one of the major health insurance companies. For a year I watched this company cancel people's policies-people who needed transplants, people who had cancer. I saw how they do business and that's what they do-run a business-with enough left over to pay their CEO multiple-millions in bonuses, cheating their employees and clients. As middle management, one of our duties was jump in the car and lobby at the state legislature for the health insurers laws that benefit THEM, not their clients. After a year, I couldn't conscionably work for them any longer and went back to the provider side. America needs healthcare reform! These companies do not have your interest in mind. I wish that the people of America could see the truth. I wouldn't be surprised if my former coworkers are the ones at these town meetings, booing representatives.

    Hooray for you! Excellent

    Hooray for you! Excellent article and right to the point. My husband and I are recent enrollees in Medicare, and can finally breathe a little sigh of relief that we won't go bankrupt (hopefully) if one or both of us should become seriously ill. However, we do pay a monthly fee of $135 each into Medicare part B, plus $154 each for an additional supplement, of course through a private insurance company, plus co-pays determined by Medicare and the insurance company. Plus we pay $50 per month into the drug plan with additional co-pays. So it is not free, but better than what we would pay a private insurance company. Let's get Medicare for all!!! Or at least a public plan that will cover anyone who wants it!

    We have to be as aggressive

    We have to be as aggressive as the other side. We have to keep asking, "Do you want greedy rich people getting between you and your doctor? do you want insurance that can drop you when you get sick? do you want to keep waiting for appointments?" When they say that the government can't run a good program, ask, " Do you really think that Americans are uniformly less competent than Europeans or Canadians? Why do you hate America?"

    "That's the way a free

    "That's the way a free market works: an insurer would be crazy to charge you less than the expected cost of your medical care (unless they can make it up on their healthy customers, which they can't in the individual market)." - I wish the people who regularly post comments that the "free" market is the solution to all the world's problems would get this bit of reality into their heads. Some things are more important the private profiteering of a few individuals. Assuring health care for everyone in this country is not only in our best interests as individuals but is in the best interests of our nation as a whole.

    I don't think ,necessarily,

    I don't think ,necessarily, that so many people are angry about paying for the poor as they are about EXACTLY what is in this bill! This bill is over one thousand pages huge (about a stack of paper two feet high) and contains some very scary wording! To simply suggest that people are "afraid" that they will lose their quality of coverage (those who ARE currently covered) IS a real issue with this bill! Not to mention problems with HIPA, invasion of personal financial privacy by the govt., wording regarding Euthansia in the elderly, etc.! And keeping the profiteering insurance companies in on it all GUARANTEES loss of benefits! PLEASE, stop talking down to all of us!! And, just to let you know, I AM UNINSURED! I WOULD NOT vote for this particular bill. Health reform, YES, but THIS lopsided scary bill is not the reform that we need!

    Like many people, I actually

    Like many people, I actually have "disaster" health insurance - a very high deductible plan so my employer can afford to provide it. Because I work for a small firm, I know how ridiculously high the premiums are even with a high deductible. But many people don't have a clue (unless they are self-employed or run a business) how much money is going into the pockets of the insurance companies. My husband will always have "floaters" in one eye because he waited too long to have a cataract operation - and why did he wait? Till he got old enough to be on Medicare. Sometimes it feels like a race - I've got to hope to stay healthy until I get on Medicare too... otherwise, my daughter can kiss goodbye to her college education... the high deductible would wipe out our savings.

    Getting dropped by your

    Getting dropped by your health insurance company is not hypothetical. It happened to my Dad, who voted Republican for decades. He retired from Caterpillar Tractor Co thinking he has health care for life, but reached his lifetime cap in June. Two weeks ago, Shirley in Fredericksburg, VA was in the waiting room of a liver specialist at the VCU Medical Center in Richmond when she learned her insurance had been canceled. She's not old enough for Medicare, so now what? This is not a rhetorical question or a fictitious American citizen, NOW WHAT DOES SHE DO?

    Okay as far as it goes but

    Okay as far as it goes but it continues the myth that people have insurance when they really have health benefit plans - most of which are through managed care. SOOOOOOO, the only insurers in the picture are hospitals and doctors who sign capitation contracts and accept the insurance risks from managed care companies. So there isn't an evil insurer limiting access to care - it is the capitated health care provider standing in front of you that is doing it. I call it "Professional Caregiver Insurance Risk." Small insurers are much less efficient than large insurers and risk assuming health care providers are tiny insurers - so they have to cut back services to below those anticipated in capitation payments. Too bad Michael Moore didn't listen to me before he completed Sicko - he could have done so much more with a little intelligent discussion of health insurance vs managed care... http://drtcbear.servebbs.net:81/~PCIR Oh yeah - Medicare uses managed care too...

    I think it is time to live

    I think it is time to live without fear. Obviously the insurance industry is not concerned about people's health so people need to take health into their own matters. The money they could save by not paying premiums could be put toward their own health needs. Wake up people, drop your insurance en masse, get regular exercise, eat wisely, do without insurance and lets all see what happens. For those of you with life threatening diseases due to unhealthy lifetime habits please take responsibility and change your ways. Form health co-operatives, find doctors who will not charge you an arm and a leg for a visit, lets give each other access to health care and lets say no to insurance as individuals.

    Uh...none of the

    Uh...none of the disqualifiers you listed are exclusive to health insurance. Your home insurance coverage is dependent on your ability to pay, just like your auto and life insurance. Any number of things can get you dropped from insurance; late payments, accidents, tobacco use, mold claims. Most often, your rates for these policies is based on parameters that dump you in a risk groups. Your employer based program is the same. I don't think your definition of insurance exists anywhere.

    Do we not find it

    Do we not find it fascinating that so many human animals are perfectly willing to allow their weak and injured to be left behind to be devoured by predators? That one and only monotheistic God who supposedly created Rush and O'Reilly and Beck to be his chosen mouthpieces must be sad today. The video clips from the disrupted "town hall" meetings illustrate just which humans ARE insisting that the weak and injured be sacrificed to predators, so that the strong and whole can forge on in their wars to destroy the neighboring tribes. Yea for God's chosen folks!

    Single-payer national health

    Single-payer national health insurance is what we need, Architect2. Do not be afraid to say the words national health insurance, because that is exactly what we need. While Americans were taught to fear it, the remaining free-market high-income continued to implement it. The history of this is dismal and shocking, as Andrew of New Zealand wrote. I spoke to a young Australian, a middle-age Englishman within the last year or so. And I've spoken to many others who did the same thing: their eyes go open wide and their jaw drops. Just go here, everyone, and sign up, because if we don't do what is indicated at the home page, then we will be letting the U.S. Congress make things worse: much, much worse. I know some of the details. It is scary. http://www.medicareforall.org Bob the Health and Health Care Advocate

    The Democrats have done a

    The Democrats have done a very poor job of framing the issue. It's baffling. The most important aspect of reform is that it provides every American with an ironclad guarantee of access to health care throughout their lives. No one can take it away from them. Not when they lose their jobs, not when their state of health changes, and not when they become seriously ill, when they need it the most. Nobody has that guarantee today except seniors. Repeat, as this article says, no one. The private sector, private insurers, employers cannot make such a guarantee, even if they wanted to, and they don't. Only government can establish health care as a fundamental right. Only we the people can do that. Why we are fighting so hard to deny ourselves that right is a sign that something is seriously wrong with our society. We are one sick people, pardon the pun. It starts with the Republicans, who don't represent people, and ends with Democrats, who supposedly do, but seem to be ashamed of that fact. Thus, they won't come out straight-up and tell the people that health care is a right, that they should be marching in the streets demanding that right. This point was made on television last night on a cable show, I think Olbermann's. Why are the Democrats so reluctant to frame health care as one of our societal rights? So instead of marching for it, we have mobs rioting against it, because they don't know how to express their frustration, and only the Republicans are giving them direction - ironically to destroy that which they need most.

    www.medicareforall.org has a

    www.medicareforall.org has a "Real Life Stories" link that you may want to see. But, most of all, link from the homepage to "Benefits" and "Two Choices" and the Obama "mandate" and, for heaven's sake get moving by selecting "Sign up" and then "Invite Your Friends". We do NOT have much time. Thanks from Bob the Health and Health Care Advocate. (Sorry, everyone, if I did not enter my name and e-mail address on my last post. "Single-payer national health insurance is what we need.")

    Good luck and all our

    Good luck and all our support to our friends from the south on achieving total medical coverage for all. It is plainly obvious to me this is a class argument being played out the rich against the poor as usual in a society obsessed with capital wealth fooling the citizens into thinking everything they have is the BEST because they pay through the nose for it. We all welcome you to the real reality being this is not the case. The more you pay does not mean the better it is it just means the more you pay because you told as such. Go with it fellow humans and you will find social policy is not such a bad thing it just means you may find yourself a little happier and much more secure in your own existence,,,,

    One fact about Medicare that

    One fact about Medicare that everyone has ignored is that it is not only for those 65 and older. It is also provide for the permanently disabled. Once someone is disabled and starts to receive Social Security Disability payment, after two years they receive their Medicare card. I know this because of my own personal experience. I am quite grateful to have government-provided health care. Now if only they can negotiate bulk prices for Part D beneficiaries and include Dental and Vision coverage under Part B, it would be a truly wonderful program worth expanding to the general public as a Single Payer program.

    Wow - I see such great and

    Wow - I see such great and informed comments here (for the most part). Folks take your email and send it to your local or regional paper. Get the facts out and counter the insurance company-funded, misled, misinformed, fearmongering "grass roots" disrupting attacks on the public hearings being fomented by Rush, Glenn and the rest of their ilk...

    Not true. "If Universal

    Not true. "If Universal Health Care is all that great and wonderful, why do the Canadians come here to get ours? Wake up people its more government control over every aspect of your life from cradle to grave." I recently saw a program where visiting Canadians were shocked over not having access to affordable health care when getting sick. They usually travel back to Canada for their own care. The propaganda shoved down American's throats about poor Canadian health care is nothing but...a LIE!

    "They usually travel back to

    "They usually travel back to Canada for their own care. The propaganda shoved down American's throats about poor Canadian health care is nothing but...a LIE!" That is what I am concluding about these health insurance industry proponents. They are just a bunch of liars. They will say anything to keep their sorry ship afloat. A Canadian friend of mine had a terrible accident in the U.S., and was forced to fly back without injuries being treated because of the bills they would have incurred in the U.S. Once back in Canada, they were treated right away and without cost through the Canadian system from which they received excellent care. Too bad, Americans can't just fly to Canada when the same thing happens to them! Wonderfully succinct article. I agree with the poster who mentioned that the Democrats have done a very poor job with the P.R. aspect of this campaign. The reason for that, IMO, is because they are so divided within themselves -- or really, not at all divided on this subject. That is, most of our representatives, Republicans and Democrats -- Max Baucus being the late, great example -- are bought out by the health insurance industry. I am beginning to think that the decision engineered by Richard Nixon about 50 years ago, we are basically being run by them, as a nation. It appalls and revolts me, as an American. I would not be surprised if the protestors we're seeing are closely connected to the industry in one form or another. I don't agree with the poster who says they are basically "good but ignorant" people. I don't think they're good at all, whether it's due to ignorance or their own involvement in the health care corruption that pervades the very soul of this country.

    Cindy Gunn, Your plan won't

    Cindy Gunn, Your plan won't work for those who have chronic illnesses that have absolutely nothing to do with their "personal habits." Your comment reveals a remarkable degree of ignorance about the human body as well as a 80's/New Age/lack of empathy towards a significant portion of the national population. Take the time out from your "healthy" life and do a few searches on: Crohn's disease, cystic fibrosis, RA, psorasis, MS, and many other illnesses that are not "curable" by eating in a "healthy" way & exercising more. Exercising in a healthy way, of course. I think Kwak's article is an excellent one. And I too wonder how it is that so many people in the US continue to so blindly believe in the "private sector does it better" model after all this time and all the evidence to the contrary.

    Cindy Gunn, I'm going in for

    Cindy Gunn, I'm going in for surgery IF they can clear it with the health insurance company. I wait with bated breath to see if the powers that be shall say it's o.k. for me to keep on keeping on alive. This has nothing to do with healthy living, but a condition (I don't care to discuss on the internet) that is hereditary. It is a great idea if we could organize a massive boycott and shut-down of the health insurance industry, but what about those of us who would have to give our lives? I realize it's better than "taking up arms" to "take back" our government, but besides the 20,000 who die already every year, I'm not sure I want to be the next guy at the western front.

    OK, well I *do* think, .so

    OK, well I *do* think, .so maybe I can help. "invasion of personal financial privacy by the govt.," What does the IRS not already know about you? Or maybe you are talking about something else. "wording regarding Euthansia in the elderly, etc." The confusion on this is *entirely* due to lies and BS spun up by those who love all the money they make charging Americans more, for worse coverage, than any other prosperous country.

    "Like many people, I

    "Like many people, I actually Fri, 08/07/2009 - 22:53 — Anonymous (not verified) Like many people, I actually have "disaster" health insurance - a very high deductible plan so my employer can afford to provide it. Because I work for a small firm, I know how ridiculously high the premiums are even with a high deductible. But many people don't have a clue (unless they are self-employed or run a business) how much money is going into the pockets of the insurance companies. My husband will always have "floaters" in one eye because he waited too long to have a cataract operation - and why did he wait? Till he got old enough to be on Medicare. Sometimes it feels like a race - I've got to hope to stay healthy until I get on Medicare too... otherwise, my daughter can kiss goodbye to her college education... the high deductible would wipe out our savings." Dear anonymous floater, My brother and his wife were also floaters, with only catastrophic health insurance which they counted on for anything, well, catastrophic. Then my sister-in-law was diagnosed with CLL, a form of leukemia, but their health insurance would not pay for my sister-in-law's treatment. So, I find the title of this article "You Do Not Have Health Care" to be very apt. I've been saying the same thing for some time now.

    Cindy Gunn, I agree with

    Cindy Gunn, I agree with you. If we all stopped paying these people to rob us blind, they would wither up and blow away. When my premium went up to nearly $500, that was it for me. Even though I have diabetes and just turned 60, I am better off without the bloodsucking Blue Cross Blue Shield running my life. There must be enough people in reasonably good health to make an impact if they dropped their health insurance. Yes, catastrophic illnesses and accidents can hit anybody at any time, but we can't live in fear. Boycott health insurance companies! People like me are already being forced out of the system by insanely high costs. It's only a matter of time until the health insurance vampires find there is no blood left to suck.

    When I needed my employer

    When I needed my employer based health insurance coverage I had to pay a lawyer to fight for my benefits. My insurance was part of my wages and stated as such. I had to quit work and was paying for a plan that included acupuncture and massage therapy coverage. Regence refused to pay. A class action suit was won in Washington state- but Regence still refused to pay.

    Is it possible that everyone

    Is it possible that everyone is truly missing the point regarding why anyone is "opposing" the new Health Care initiative? If you listen to what people are really upset about is: A) How can the same government that has mismanaged trillions of tax payer dollars possibly get this right? B) How can an essentially a bankrupt country contemplate this at this stage of our economic "downturn"? and probably the most important of all of the possible points, C) why does it take 1000 pages to simply say: Every US Citizen will receive full medical/dental/health coverage for their entire life????? One sentence, one page. It would pass tomorrow. Nothing major would have to change. You provide a SS number to any provider, they bill the government. DONE. The bigger problem is the most obvious though, in my humble opinion. Go to the CIA website and look up to see which country is more in debt than any other country in the world. It's the US. You wish to bet that will never fail, like the job analogies? That there is no risk in having the entire countries population covered by one entity, that is on the brink of collapse? Hmmm! Let's talk about the success of recent history for the same organization you wish to turn everything over to for your health: Fannie Mae; Freddie Mac; Federal Reserve/Treasury, Social Security, AIG... Do you remember what happened on September 10th, 2001? At a press conference, held at the Pentagon, Mr. Rumsfield calmly stood at a podium and reported that there was literally BILLIONS of dollars unaccounted for within the Pentagon. Now we are into the trillions, with more being added at every opportunity, without hesitation, or thought of the consequence on us, the tax payers. We ultimately pay for everything, everything. And we can question or complain about it? Hmmm.

    We can accomplish all our

    We can accomplish all our health care reform objectives without having a government option offered. It is ridiculous to have another over budget government program when the private market can accomplish the same objectives with better quality care and at an affordable rates with fair regulation. Like President Obama's example, UPS and FedEx are thriving but the US Post office is consistently over budget and draining away our tax dollars. Have we forgotten that we don't have any money?

    Don't fear the free market.

    Don't fear the free market. You get all your other needs met on the free market, why not health care? Have you ever wondered why doctors and hospitals don't post their prices? It's because the market is NOT FREE. Health Insurance would actually work if everyone bought it individually. The competition would actually keep insurers honest, while the vast majority of expenses would be paid out of pocket, which would keep doctors and hospitals honest. It's not hard to figure out, people.

    How many poor uninsured

    How many poor uninsured victims of swine flu (which the World Health Organization has called "unstoppable") will pass it on to the insured? Our local paper quoted a prediction of 40% coming down with it in the fall. Insuring everyone, particularly with preventive tactics, helps us all stay well! If we can pay the billions, running into trillions, for death, maiming and destruction, we surely can afford the REAL security of our citizens' healthy lives--a matter of the utmost priority.

    Every day that real health

    Every day that real health care reform that provides true universal coverage is being postponed: • 500 million dollars are wasted on unnecessary administrative expenses • Close to 100,000 people are denied coverage from their insurance for pre-existing conditions • Tens of thousands of people are dropped by their insurance because o They have a catastrophic illness o They lost their job and cannot afford COBRA – which only last 18 months anyway o They were covered by their spouses and got divorced o They have reached their yearly limits or their lifetime limits o Any other reason fomented by the very creative minds of the health insurance industry • 1,836 people file for bankruptcy because of health bills they cannot afford; out of these, 1432 actually have so called health insurance • 50 people actually die, put to death by health’s insurance death panels It’s all in your hands. Do you want to be a statistic? Are you gone fall for the health insurance propaganda and be a proxy fighter for their executives and shareholders? Or are you use your best judgment and stand up to defend your best interests?

    The major point of the

    The major point of the article should not be lost on anyone: People who think they have health insurance haven't used it--yet. The last blog helps reinforce the article. For the government takeover conspiracy theorists: would that you would read all the blogs here. And which do you prefer? Taxpayer supported healthcare for all or the continuance of corporation takeover? Point 2: No one is saying "no" to individual insurance holders. How many times must the President repeat that you can keep it if you have it? Point 3: What's with the Pres talking about "limiting" the operation of Medicare supplemental insurance? Get rid of it altogether! These insurance companies override Medicare approval often. (My private experience) Who's running the show? Expand Medicare into single payer. Forget those guys! They charge premiums for very little service. Point 4: Write your Congressman or woman and spend less time on blogs. They don't accomplish much if you are past talking about it and ready to do something.

    Not having health care can

    Not having health care can be dangerous to people imgaine it being ur kid and ur kid not being insured and it dying because u didnt have insurancenot a happy thought

    I think as a ( not so well

    I think as a ( not so well off person with money ) that our health care problem is going to get worst if we don"t all come together on this issue, and the insurance people are going to get more of our money, and put in more small print in there contracts that most of use do not read ,if you know what I mean!!! oops' we dont cover that !!!!!!!!!! wish I had the perfict answer, but don't, so the problem starts with greed and goes on . we mite get some where closer to the problemif we would start over . no~profit !!!! Seams like us Americans put the BIG Issues a-side when the chips are up, and then wam !!!! it hits us like a rock in the head. bottom line is corruption in this country has taken over, and its a hard battle we American 's are going to have to fight!!!! its going to be an enteresting trip 1!!!!!!!!!!!