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Jewish Groups Assail Nazi Comparisons Made by Conservatives in Health Care Debate

by: Jake Tapper  |  ABC News

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Rush Limbaugh speaks with former secretary of defense Donald Rumsfeld at the White House in the last days of the Bush administration. (Photo: AP)

    "Regardless of the political differences and the substantive differences in the debate over health care, the use of Nazi symbolism is outrageous, offensive and inappropriate," said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director and a Holocaust survivor. "Americans should be able to disagree on the issues without coloring it with Nazi imagery and comparisons to Hitler. This is not where the debate should be at all."

    In this week’s protests at town hall forums, some conservatives have used Nazi imagery to compare President Obama to Adolf Hitler and congressional Democrats to Nazis.

    In an interview this week House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said of the town hall protestors loudly assailing President Obama’s health care reform push, "I think they are AstroTurf - you be the judge, carrying swastikas and symbols like that to a town meeting on health care. This initiative is funded by the high end. We call it ‘Astroturf,’ it's not really a grass roots movement. It's AstroTurf by some of the wealthiest people of America."

    That some of the protestors are comparing President Obama and congressional Democrats to Adolph Hitler and Nazis is unquestionably true.

    That they’re "carrying swastikas and symbols like that" because the protestors themselves are supportive of Hitler and the Nazis, does not seem to be true at all.

    Pelosi’s office says she meant the former, not the latter.

    Conservatives seized upon the latter.

    Yesterday, conservative talk radio giant Rush Limbaugh said that "the Speaker of the House accusing people showing up at these town hall meetings of wearing Swastikas - that is not insignificant folks. This woman is deranged. They are unraveling. But that is not insignificant. You have the Democrat Speaker of the House saying that people - citizens - who are concerned about health care are now wearing Swastikas. She’s basically saying that we are Nazis. She is saying that the people who oppose this are Nazis."

    Limbaugh said it’s liberals, not conservatives, who are the ones who invite the comparison.

    "Obama's got a health care logo that's right out of Adolf Hitler's playbook. Now, what are the similarities between the Democrat Party of today and the Nazi Party in Germany? Well, the Nazis were against big business - they hated big business. And of course we all know that they were opposed to Jewish capitalism. They were insanely, irrationally against pollution. They were for two years mandatory voluntary service to Germany. They had a whole bunch of make-work projects to keep people working, one of which was the Autobahn. They were against cruelty and vivisection of animals, but in the radical sense of devaluing human life, they banned smoking. They were totally against that. They were for abortion and euthanasia of the undesirables, as we all know, and they were for cradle-to-grave nationalized healthcare."

    Limbaugh said that "this is why I have always bristled when I hear people claim conservativism gets close to Nazism. It is liberalism that's the closest you can get to Nazism and socialism. It's all bundled up under the socialist banner. There are far more similarities between Nancy Pelosi and Adolf Hitler than between these people showing up at town halls to protest a Hitler-like policy that's being heralded like a Hitler-like logo."

    Limbaugh said, "Oh, another similarity. Obama is asking citizens to rat each other out like Hitler did. Obama's the one that's got the snitch website right out of the White House, flag@whitehouse.com, asking citizens to report people who are saying weird, odd things. You know the White House responded, ‘No, no, no, we're not taking names here. We're not taking names. We're just taking people who are putting up faulty arguments and refuting them.’ Well, that's not the intention. Ted Kennedy's dad, by the way, Joe Kennedy, sympathetic to Hitler, sympathetic to the Nazis....[Obama] is sending out his brownshirts to head up opposition to genuine American citizens who want no part of what Barack Obama stands for and is trying to stuff down our throats....Adolf Hitler, like Barack Obama, also ruled by dictate. His Cabinet only met once. One day. That was it. Hitler said he didn't need to meet with his Cabinet; he represented the will of the people. He was called the messiah. He said the people spoke through him."

    The ADL’s Foxman specifically said cited Limbaugh’s comparison as offensive, saying "comparisons to the Nazis are deeply offensive and only serve to diminish and trivialize the extent of the Nazi regime’s crimes against humanity and the murder of six million Jews and millions of others in the Holocaust. I don’t see any comparison here. It’s off-center, off-issue and completely inappropriate."

    The American Jewish Congress issued a statement, "The Limbaugh comments comparing Obama (and Pelosi) to Hitler and the Nazis are grossly offensive and intolerable. They reflect a nasty and hyperbolic tendency on our political culture, one which makes reasoned discourse impossible, confuses disagreement with evil, and which makes it impossible to distinguish evil from ordinary politics. ... It behooves all participants in the political process to unequivocally disavow the comparison and to make it plain that peddlers of such noxious comparison have no place in our politics, no matter how large their audiences. And all Americans should make plain their disgust at the comparisons by talk show hosts by a prompt use of the off button."

    Another such comparison was made in Pueblo, Colorado, shot by an employee of the Democratic-allied Service Employees International Union, as first reported at Talking Points Memo.

    In the video, a spokesman for the groups "Patients First" - part of the conservative group "Americans for Prosperity" - describing the health care reform bill as pushing euthanasia for the elderly, which he compares to Hitler’s Final Solution for the Jews.

    "When you reach 65 and every five years thereafter you’re going to have to have counseling session with some, um, some federal airhead," he says.

    "Part of this process is called End of Life counseling." He says, a section of House Bill 3200. "And part of End of Life counseling can be an End of Life order. ’End of Life,’ what’s another word for that? ‘Death.’ ‘Order,’ what’s another word for that? A ‘sentence.’"

    He says Josef Stalin, Pol Pot, and Robert Mugabe issued "End of Life" orders - in their respective genocides.

    "Adolf Hitler issued six million end of life orders," the speaker says. "He called his program the Final Solution. I kind of wonder what we're going to call ours."

    In House Resolution 3200, page 425 refers to "advance care planning consultation," defined as a senior and a medical practitioner discussing "advance care planning, if…the individual involved has not had such a consultation within the last 5 years." This includes an "explanation by the practitioner of advance care planning, including key questions and considerations, important steps, and suggested people to talk to," an "explanation by the practitioner of advance directives, including living wills and durable powers of attorney, and their uses," and an "explanation by the practitioner of the role and responsibilities of a health care proxy."

    It directs the medical provider to give the patients "a list of national and State-specific resources to assist consumers and their families with advance care planning," and an explanation "of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available under this title," as well as "an explanation of orders regarding life sustaining treatment or similar orders."

    Factcheck.org says the "accepted definition of end-of-life planning means thinking ahead about the care you would like to receive at the end of your life - which may include the choice to reject extraordinary measures of life support, or the choice to embrace them….the bill would not make these sessions mandatory."

    Liberal Salon columnist Glenn Greenwald, pointing out how many conservatives and Jewish groups condemned MoveOn.org in 2004 for two video ad submissions that compared President George W. Bush to Hitler, has challenged the same groups and individuals to condemn Limbaugh.

  

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The ADL and those of a

The ADL and those of a similar cast seem to consider the use of Nazi references to be proprietary. Maybe they should sue MoveOn and Limbaugh for copyright infringement. The perpetual employment of the Nazis as the standard yardstick of evil by all sides, despite serious competition in the Unholy Villain category, says a lot.

They call US Nazis? Right

They call US Nazis? Right Wing extremists are using classic Nazi / Fascist tactics against the healthcare reform legislation while pre-emptively accusing Democrats of being Nazis. Unfortunately Dems fail to point out opponents to healthcare reform ARE actually using classic Nazis propaganda techniques like the Big Lie. It was used by the Nazi propagandists so effectively that it was especially noted by scholars studying how they took over Germany. (Google: Big Lie) Concurrent with the Big Lie was news media silence, then... even as it is now, in clarifying the truth. Short of MSNBC and Air America, and web sites such as TruthOut, what Newspaper or Network is loudly pointing out the lies in extremist GOP allegations? They even repeat them, but won't say they are lies. Look at the history of this. Now the Big Lie technique is being used here by people whose roots actually go all the way back to Nazis operating in the U.S. and in Germany in the 30's. (Google: Prescott, Nazi). More and more, it's pretty obvious who're the real Nazis.

While Limbaugh's sloppy Nazi

While Limbaugh's sloppy Nazi comparisons are insufferable and heinous (as is anything he says, really), Foxman and the AJC are wrong to issue a gag order on the use of Nazi parallels. Yes, any invocation of Nazism is inevitably inflammatory but, goodness, is it apt right now: Limbaugh's very existence demonstrates our country's proclivity to succumb to the same hatred and deception that overtook Germany and much of Europe in last century. Limbaugh is all things fascist. We need to be on alert. We need to study the history of the Nazi regime - the parallels to present day America, especially post Bush, leap off the pages. They are unmistakable. They are chilling. They are real.

It's just more nonsense from

It's just more nonsense from a bunch of people who clearly understand nothing about European political history. Many things that are labeled 'Nazi,' such as national healthcare and business/economic regulation did not originate from Nazis, they are commonly found throughout Europe. So many things are labeled 'Nazi-esque' when they should be called 'European.' What clearly separated Nazis from other European political groups was their belief in extreme and exclusive German nationalism and exceptionalism.

"To the victor go the

"To the victor go the spoils". Those include the writing of 'history'. Time will heal (eliminate) all wounds.Cain, not Seth, will eat the young.

It's a tactic, known to

It's a tactic, known to every active parent. Wear out the opposition with a nonissue, then go for what you want while the opposition is exhausted. This is the tactic of the spoiled child which, with Limbaugh's addiction history, shouldn't be a surprise to us. The real surprise is our shock that someone in public life would be so obviously amoral. We are conditioned to expect some kind of cover story.

The Nazis were socialist.

The Nazis were socialist. Right-wingers are correct to point this out. Liberals have been rewriting history by portraying the Nazis as a right-wing movement, when they were in reality a left-wing movement.

It doesn't necessarily have

It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with Nazi, but it does have to do with CORPORATE FASCISM that's creeping in today the same as it crept into the Weimar Republic of Germany and there is no more Weimar Republic. Of course corporations don't want people talking about what they are doing, but we had better not listen, because it is what they are doing, and in the long run if we don't talk about it, it will be too late. The only reason the do not want us to talk about what they are actually doing is because it is what they are actually doing; otherwise, it wouldn't matter. Maybe China will help the United States recover from terror, like the United States helped Europe, but I doubt it.

It was autocratic

It was autocratic Conservative Right-Wing EXTREME CORPORATE GOVERNANCE [fascism] that took over the Liberal Weimar Republic and installed autocratic Conservative Right-Wing EXTREMIST Adolph Hitler.

A roses by any other name is

A roses by any other name is still a rose. What the CORPORATE REPUBLICAN EXTREME are doing today doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the Nazi name, although Nazi's were fascists, but it does have to do with CORPORATE FASCISM that's creeping in today the same as it crept into the Weimar Republic of Germany and there is no more Weimar Republic. Of course corporations don't want people talking about what they are doing, but we had better not listen, because it is what they are doing, and in the long run if we don't talk about it, it will be too late. The only reason they do not want us to talk about what they are actually doing is because it is what they are actually doing; otherwise, it wouldn't matter. Maybe China will help the United States recover from terror, like the United States helped Europe, but I doubt it. It was autocratic Conservative Right-Wing EXTREME CORPORATE GOVERNANCE [fascism] that took over the Liberal Weimar Republic, and installed autocratic Conservative Right-Wing EXTREMIST, Adolph Hitler.

All you people need to do is

All you people need to do is take a long look at the visage of Mr. Limbaugh at the head of this Truthout article. What animal does this picture most closely resemble? Clue: read George Orwell's "Animal Farm" and there is the answer...(they are the ones who took over.)

Concerning Nazism and big

Concerning Nazism and big business, the ADL says: "After decades of attempting to deflect attention from corporate complicity with the Nazi government and the SS, German companies are finally beginning to acknowledge past misconduct. " I've also seen many commentaries about how Hitler was "pro-life." Hitler hated the idea of women being able to get abortions. Women owed Germany healthy young boys who would grow up to be strong young Nazis or women who would bear still more children. I'm sure there are other things Limbaugh got wrong about Nazism, but I know he was way off on those two.

German companies were

German companies were complicit in Nazism, as were churches, as were schoolchildren, but they did not start the ball rolling. AFTER the socialist Nazis took power, then everyone either went along with it or took the consequences of being an enemy of the state. The Nazis were anti-business socialists.

->post´ ...Nazis we

->post´ ...Nazis we socialist..´This is also socialist by definition:´We the People of the US, in order to form a more perfect Union, establish justice, ensure domestic Tranquility, provide of the common defence, PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE & secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves & our Posterity ordain t establish this Consititution....¨ Key socialist terms used: ´we the people´ phrase, Union, provide, promote the general welfare, secure, ourselves, posterity, constitution...At this point in time, to promote the general welfare´ includes a basic general healthcare. Those who want more care can buy more care. Healthcare should be provided to americans of all ages & not just to those in the last tier of life.

The Nazis were not

The Nazis were not socialists. Socialism cannot be a nationalistic movement. The party might have had been called Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei but that's irrelevant. We call ourselves a democracy but we're nothing more than an oligarchy. Also I'm sick and tired of the zionists going on about how six millions Jews were killed by the Nazis. They weren't the only victims, homosexuals and other minorities were.

What the article fails to

What the article fails to deal with is the actual definition of fascism, as well as what fascist tactics are. Fascism is the combining of corporate & political power to create an authoritarian, terrorist dictatorship in order to protect the corporate, capitalist class in power. Fascist movement are highly funded, as are these corporate puppets, by very right wing corporate forces. Fascist movements arise when corporate interests are threatened, as is the case now. Further, always, and at all times, fascist movements develop scapegoats, since, obviously, the folks that they are attempting to whip up are not going to be inspired by the truth ('let's go attack people interesting in health care because corporate interests are threatened')! What is required, however, is more than 'explanations.' Fascist movements, which the 'tea party' folks absolutely are, MUST be exposed and defeated. That requires a massive mobilization of org'd labor, churches, minorities, women's groups, community groups, led esp. by labor, to DEFEND DEMOCRACY! Without this major mobilization, democracy will be smothered!

To say socialists cannot

To say socialists cannot also be nationalists is baloney. That's like saying that socialists are by definition good people and so anything bad cannot be attributed to them. Head in the sand.

Comment 7 says the Nazis

Comment 7 says the Nazis were socialist. Tee-hee. Based on what evidence? The name is a lie - they were fascists. Hitler did originally campaign on 2 VWs in every garage - and that sounds good, even to me. (That was the original Bug, the one you only needed a screwdriver to repair and 3 frat rats to carry it or 1 person to push-start it.) But that wasn't truth in advertising, any more than the name. Would you believe me if I said I owned the Brooklyn Bridge and would sell it to you for a dollar? Tee-hee. (I was comment 6.) (I'm new to commenting here. It appears that, unless you reset the default, you show up as anonymous. But nicknames help to keep the comments sorted, to present a cohesive view... Still, it's another approach.)

I'm getting the idea that we

I'm getting the idea that we are the minions in a true struggle between who controls our lives and property. The Fascist Republicans or the Socialist Democrats. I don't think with the continual changing of who is in the majority, I want either one of these parties making laws pertaining to my individual choices in healthcare decisions. Right now, Insurers make the call but are governed by significant regulation. If the public option prevails, small to medium employers will no doubt drop coverage on employees and let them go into the public plan by paying an annual minor fine(less than 10% of the cost they assume now) Then the power will be in a bureauracracy' hands. This whole thing needs to go away! It is extremely dangerous too our liberty. Most won't see through this.