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Is Health Care Reform on Life Support?

by: Dr. Wilmer J. Leon III, t r u t h o u t | Perspective

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Protesters attempted to drown out Democratic Congresswoman Kathy Castor's speech at a health care town hall meeting in Ybor City, Florida. (Photo: Chris Zuppa / Times)

    According to 2008 US Census Bureau data, approximately 47 million, or 15.8 percent of the US population, were without health insurance during 2006 - a 4.9 percent increase. In 2005, census figures showed that 44.8 million people, or about 15.3 percent of the population, lacked health insurance coverage. According to a report released by the Institute on Medicine, the average cost of family health care coverage more than doubled from 1999 to 2008, from $1,543 to $3,354.

    Based upon these realities, presidential candidate Obama made health care reform a central theme of his campaign. He promised to achieve universal health care in his first term and to cut the average family's health care health care costs by $2,500. In the on-going health care reform debate, it is very important to remember that as a result of this and other campaign promises, President Obama won the 2008 presidential election with 53 percent of the popular vote to Senator McCain's 46 percent and 68 percent of the Electoral College vote to McCain's 36 percent.

    According to a New York Times/CBS News poll taken in June, 85 percent of respondents said the health care system needed to be fundamentally changed or completely rebuilt. According to a June poll conducted by the Employee Benefit Research Institute, 83 percent of respondents favored and only 14 percent opposed "creating a new public health insurance plan that anyone can purchase." These numbers indicate that health care reform is very important to the American people.

    In spite of these numbers indicating overwhelming support for reform, recent Rasmussen polls indicate that only 42 percent of Americans support the health care reform plan spearheaded by President Obama and the Democratic Party. A record 53 percent of Americans are opposed to the plan.

    What is at the heart of this disconnect? How is the Obama administration's message and health care reform plan seemingly so out of sync with the public's perception of reality? Is health care reform on life support?

    The opponents to health care reform, particularly those opposed to the Obama administrations plan, are taking control of the public debate by force, distortions and partisan politics. They are changing the debate on health care into a debate on health care for illegal immigrants, abortion, and other wedge issues.

    According to The Associated Press, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin called President Barack Obama's health plan "downright evil". She posted on her Facebook page that he would create a "death panel" that would deny care to the neediest Americans.

    "The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care ... Such a system is downright evil."

    According to McClatchy newspapers, Sen. Jim DeMint (R-South Carolina) has vowed to make health care Obama's "Waterloo," and urged conservative activists to help "break him." DeMint has compared the United States under Obama to the 1930's Nazi Germany under Hitler; and cast the heated health care fight as "a real showdown between socialism and freedom ... This is a battle I've been waiting for and hoping for, for years ... We've got to stop the socialization of medicine.... We've stirred up a fight."

    Recently, conservative talk show host and Republican spokesman and operative Rush Limbaugh compared President Obama to Hitler: "Adolf Hitler, like Barack Obama, ruled by dictate." This serves no positive interests and has no place in intelligent and informed public discourse.

    The public debate on health care reform is becoming contentious at best. At many town hall meetings, people are doing more shouting than listening. In Tampa, Florida, a crowd began to loudly chant and scuffle with organizers posted at doorways after the auditorium filled to capacity. In Mehlville, Missouri, St. Louis police arrested six people, some on assault charges, outside another forum that was billed as a meeting on aging, but was attended by activists on both sides of the health care debate. In another incident, protesters surrounded Rep. Tim Bishop (D-New York) and forced police officers to have to escort him to his car for safety.

    A lot of the outbursts at the health care reform town hall meetings appear to be coordinated. PolitiCo.com reports that much of the dissent "... is being encouraged by Washington-based groups that are devoting considerable online resources to encouraging turnout. Some of the groups even supply supporters with scripts and 'talking points.'" This is one reason why so much of their rhetoric sounds the same. They are reading from the same talking points. This tactic is similar to what was used by Enron Corp. in 2000 when the "Brooks Brothers Rioters" were paid and flown into Florida to protest and disrupt the vote recount.

    These types of distortions, rhetoric and diatribes are counterproductive to bringing about real reform and do the American people and democracy a great disservice. Democracy works best when individuals with opposing views engage in open and honest debate in the public square, not contrived debate based on lies and distortions.

    Is health care reform on life support? Right now, yes. The Democrats are losing the patient because they have allowed the opposition to control the debate. To move health care reform from the ICU, Democrats will need more voices than that of the president - STAT!

  

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Dr. Wilmer Leon is the producer/host of the nationally broadcast call-in talk radio program "On With Leon" and a Teaching Associate in the Department of Political Science at Howard University in Washington, DC. Go to www.wilmerleon.com or email wjl3us@yahoo.com.

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The Democratic party is also

The Democratic party is also helping to screw this up. Stupid provisions like "mandatory" insurance are turning off a lot of people. Not to mention this will be a windfall for insurance companies. Besides this, they seem to have given up the public option. Yes the right wing is creating problems; but Obama and company need to clean up their act also.

I'm an X pat yank living in

I'm an X pat yank living in Scotland and can not say enough about the National Health Service. A mother in law at 94 has a stroke and spends 3 months in hosp, With out the NHS we would be finished. I can see a doctor within a matter of hours, what a relief not to pay ins. company's. Good luck America, sounds like your gonna need it !!

The left is continually

The left is continually portraying opposition to health care reform as dishonest, irrational, violent, and created by special interests. The truth is that there is some of that on both sides. By ignoring the honest, rational, calm and heart-felt message of the opposition, the left seems to be intent on ramming an unwanted plan down the throats of the rest of us. I do not defend those of the opposition who drown out other voices, but I do point out that there are also those who are presenting very reasonable arguments. These arguments are being ignored entirely by the left, who prefer to demonize those who disagree with them.

Pure Capitalism Part of the

Pure Capitalism Part of the Problem "Malcolm X said show me a capitalist and I will show you a bloodsucker." Health care when viewed as a commodity in capitalism cannot be provided to citizens without someone making a profit. This is a primary weakness of capitalism driving a democracy. Citizens will never be able to compete with or outflank the corporate greed and avarice. Democratic government is supposed to serve the people, but money has made the legislators commodities of the system as well. How much does a legislator cost? I am sure any corporate lobbyist can tell you down to the dollar and cents. Fiction has become fact, while the harsh fact that millions do not have health care and millions more are held hostage to greedy medical, insurance and pharmaceutical moneymakers remains invisible. Manipulating the facts works as well or better than telling the truth in our society. We have loud uninformed voices predicting "socialism" if we actually dare provide health care for all Americans. It is very strange who is yelling the loudest about health care. The people who have it and don't want others to have it. Health care is not a privilege for only ones who have money or insurance cards. Where are the voices of the millions who have no health care?

This is our future, Dr.

This is our future, Dr. Leon. Whenever something comes up that threatens profits, such as single-payer health care, the legions of the corporate faithful will be called upon to prevent it's occurrence, in any way possible. Thuggery is best, because it scares many of the "undecided" into joining the Thugs to avoid becoming targets themselves. It's a tried-and-true technique that has been perfected for centuries by religions all over the world. Now, however, the mechanisms of manipulation have become exponentially more powerful than ever before. Just look at the breathtaking beauty of the new HDTVs and you can easily see how they take over the minds of those watching. That power has been harnessed by our Fascist Masters for their own use, and weak-minded Americans, by far the majority, cannot resist. Any lie can be passed off as truth with this media, and is. I have to conclude that it is the end of the country I once knew as a young man, and I morn the loss deeply.

Its pathetic. In order for

Its pathetic. In order for Obama to get "bi-partisan" support for this bill, which he doesn't need, the bill now only caters to special groups. People who have blue eyes and are left handed with a stutter. People who have a mole on their cheek and can recite the alphabet backwards. People who don't like broccoli. The bill was supposed to help all Americans with their health care but now falls so far short its laughable. In his misguided attempt to not anger the right, (which they always are anyway), Obama has given away the farm on this one. It will be the last chance for a very long time for any healthcare reform and this pathetic bill will be held up as a "victory" f0r reform for a decade. Shame on you Obama and all the Dems who caved in to the brown shirts on the right. Shame.

Health care reform is not a

Health care reform is not a political issue....it is a HUMAN issue. When this fact sinks finally sinks in to the American people, I believe that support will be forthcoming.

"PolitiCo.com reports that

"PolitiCo.com reports that much of the decent..." There may be new lows achieved here but it is "dissent"

It seems that the major

It seems that the major problems with our heath care system can be fixed if "our" politicians would just make a bill or bills to address these issues. I don't feel we need a complete overhaul with government takeover and at a huge expense. Why can't "our" politicians listen to what we are saying, instead of calling us names and pretending that our voice isn't legitimate.

Many of us are not in

Many of us are not in lockstep with Obama on "health insurance reform" because his "treatment" is lacking! First, he farmed out the details to Congress and took a backseat, hoping that he could cruise along, adding rhetorical flourishes on as as-needed basis. Well, his lack of leadership is the main cause of this brouhaha. Single payer. Or go back to the drawing board!

Reasonable debate is at the

Reasonable debate is at the heart of a strong democracy. Bullying, death threats, lies, silencing by screaming and ranting - they are not. If the First Amendment gives nut cases the right to shout and yell, it also gives thoughtful people the right to present their messages. The First Amendment, even the Second Amendment, do NOT give the right to threaten the President of the United States, and the elected Senators and Representatives. Where is the Secret Service? Where are the Police? And where is the GOP going next with their anarchist, fascist behavior. Josef Geobbels was right - "Throw enough mud and some will stick." We must speak against this insanity.

To the commenter who asserts

To the commenter who asserts that the left is ignoring the "honest, rational, calm and heart-felt message of the opposition," where is the evidence of that? What specifically are we ignoring? Can you define for us the oppositions truly legitimate concerns? If anything, the left's legitimate concerns are being drown out by both the crazed right-wing and the corporate media. We will not be bullied by those who assert unsubstantiated rumors, distortions or lies.

To Anon: 1432, there is no

To Anon: 1432, there is no mandatory clause in the bill. That was scrapped long ago. The Public Option is the only thing good still in the bill and its not mandatory. It would turn the government into an inexpensive insurance company that would compete against major insurance corporations. The hope is that this competition will bring down prices.

It is extremely sad that

It is extremely sad that such an important reform will likely be scuttled by Democratic timidity, the media blackout of single payer style plans, and the lies and thuggish behavior of the insurance industry's proxies. 20,000 people will continue to die every year for lack of affordable care, untold suffering will ensue, but at least we will be free from the tyranny of guaranteed health care!

Simply put government is too

Simply put government is too corrupt and incompetent to run healthcare. Those of us who oppose a government system see it for what it is, turning our healthcare over to politicians who are bought and paid for by Lobbyists. I do not choose to have those responsible for Wall Street, The Banking Failure nor the Iraq War running my healthcare. Reality People!

Who could have predicted the

Who could have predicted the "drill baby drill!" chants of the '08 Republican Convention? When checking the motives of the instant "outrage" industry, look for "Mr. Who Pay" and most of the mystery evaporates. Transparency may, in fact, be the last best hope for patriots. The health care fiasco is not a sporting event, it's a battle for the hearts, minds and health of this country. A 'for-profit' medical system has swallowed up the local hospitals, regional health care insurers, and community health services, while making certain the safety net is retracted. It's hard to make progress when you're treating the wounded, carrying the lame, and providing care for your families. There are no lifeboats or lifelines if you aren't traveling first class on the US Titanic.

"This serves no positive

"This serves no positive interests and has no place in intelligent and informed public discourse." The Republicans are niether intelligent nor informed, nor do they wish to be. They are simply goons for the plutocracy.

Had the President started

Had the President started out with an honest full-court press for single payer, we probably would have had it by now. Unfortunately, the Democrats tried to accommodate both the insurance companies and the Republicans in their first move which doomed the effort. You can't put a band-aid on cancer.

Will we get real healthcare

Will we get real healthcare reform? Not if the insurance industry is writing the legislation. They agree to cover "pre-existing conditions", as long as there is a mandate to purchase their product without a public option. What is not addressed is age discrimination - the premiums paid by older Americans who do not yet qualify for Medicare will likely skyrocket, which could lead to massive government subsidies. The insurance industry is gaming the system to support their obscene profits. Without single-payer or, at minimum, a vigorus public option, there will be no cost controls.

To 15:44: according to the

To 15:44: according to the latest reports, every draft bill in Congress requires people to purchase coverage. The insurance industry has pushed this. This "offsets" agreeing to accept everybody who has preexisting conditions. The hell with personal liberties, apparently. The "Massachusetts model": created by one of the stupidest, most corrupt legislatures in the country.

How interesting that the

How interesting that the right wing ideologues are insisting that universal health care for all Americans is being "pushed down our throats", but those of us so called lefties who opposed the wars that were "stuffed down our throats" with false pretenses were referred to as unpatriotic and unAmerican. My spouse is active duty, deployed. I have social medicine through the military insurance. If we were to stop spending money on wars that appear to serve only the profits of the war mongers (read Cheney, Blackwater, and related for profit war mongers), we would have plenty of funding to provide health care for all Americans.

"Is Health Care Refore on

"Is Health Care Refore on Life Support?" - Nope. The plug was pulled already pulled as soon as single payer was taken off the table. Now what we are left with is pandering to right-wing astroturf fake outrage at the possibility that the insurance industry might not get everything in its list of demands. All of the disingenuous industry driven right-wing spin in the world won't change the fact that until we have single payer, we won't have any health care reform at all - plain and simple.

My suggestions for universal

My suggestions for universal health care plan: β€’ Provide everyone a basic government plan providing coverage for hospital stays and expensive tests when ordered by a doctor. Increase income tax for everyone by about 5% (?) to pay for this coverage. This would place a larger burden on those best able to afford it, and by design, cover more catastrophic costs. β€’ Continue to provide Medicare / Medicaid with individuals encouraged to supplement the benefits with private insurance, but they would also pay 5% of taxable income. β€’ This plan would take some pressure off of businesses but allow them to provide supplemental benefits as part of the pay package and would address the Medicare funding issues as now seniors would be contributing more. β€’ If individuals are responsible to select their own private insurance, require the companies to print policies so that it can be understood by someone with an 8th grade education. No one should find that the fine print on a policy disqualifies them from a benefit they thought was included.

To 14:56 it is nor an issue

To 14:56 it is nor an issue of left, right, liberal, conservative, democrat, republican socialist and whatever. Agree with 15:15.”it is a HUMAN issue”, we are dealing with an elemental human right. Almost 50 million without health coverage and more millions scare to death with the perspective of getting ill and more millions facing the skyrocketing increases in their insurance policy and praying that the health industry will pay the bills. Doesn’t this human drama deserve some consideration? Aren’t this people our own countrymen/women? This is a national shame, a tragedy. How would somebody react to the neglect of a human being? A child, a mother and elderly and a sick. If these million do not deserve any attention. Then there is no reason to debate. Otherwise, we need a rational and respectful debate, a civilized approach. When someone appeals to violence and aggressiveness to deal with an issue it means that there is no rationale behind his/her position. Those who propose to give universal health coverage have the right and moral commitment and should be listened. The brutal suppression of this noble action is not justified. The only message which percolates from this noisy, unarticulated protest is that there should be NO HEALTH COVERAGE AT ALL, PERIOD! Well defend this position in a rational, peaceful and civilized manner. It’s a right also.

I have heard more than

I have heard more than enough talk about "turning healthcare over to politicians". This is an absurdly simplistic lie and canned sound-bite. Sarah Palin should be ashamed, but evidently is not. Politicians approve a plan developed by experts on healthcare, those who have backgrounds in the private sector, the non-profit sector, and those who work in academia in areas of health research. Medicare is the model, and it works better than the private sector does at delivering quality care with a low overhead ratio. And it doesn't operate on the basis of profit, which in the world of healthcare just plain sucks! The notion that healthcare needs to be a free market-driven enterprise is misguided and misleading, and the evidence is plain for all to see. Just because you have private healthcare and are happy with it means nothing. What happens when you need major surgery, or a transplant, and are denied by an insurance company? An insurance company has much more incentive to deny treatment than a non-profit organization. When will people making $30K a year understand that? The ideology and mythology of rugged independence is getting in the way, big-time, when it comes to understanding a few basic facts about our broken private healthcare system. Skepticism of government is a good thing which requires diligent awareness of what Washington is doing, but the rhetoric around healthcare reform is promoted mostly by health insurance lobbyists and hired guns to derail real reform. Can the people get together on this?

Tim McHugh is right. The

Tim McHugh is right. The basic premise in "Negotiations 101" is that you NEVER state the minimum you will accept. in this case, The Public Option should have been Obama's "fallback position" if it became clear that Single Payer was truly impossible to achieve, as he and others claim. Now his "fallback" is to abandon the Public Option that he rightly says will "Keep (make) the Ins. Cos honest. The whole Health Care Reform effort has been badly mismanaged, or quite possibly, intentionally torpedoed by the anti-Progressive Rahm Emanuel who has been quietly telling the players that the Public Option wss "negotiable" since January, the beginning of Obama's term. Does anyone believe he would have done that against his boss's wishes? Obama's passion for bipartisanship and failure to lead by saying what he expected from any bill he would sign will likely result in his signing anything that comes from Congress with the words "Health Care Reform" in the title. Howard Dean was right this morning to say that, if there is to be no robust Public Option in the final bill, Congress should simply do "Insurance Reform" and prohibit exclusions for pre-existing conditions, or cancellation of policies for those with serious, expensive illnesses, etc. and try again for real health care. Without a Public Option, any bill should be named "The Insurance Co Profit Protection Act". My disappointment in Obama the Non-Leader is painful "Change We Can Believe In" was a myth.

Just had to weigh in from

Just had to weigh in from the north,,,eh. Keep calm my friends you will get single payer soon. You will also find it works beautifully once the ones paid to scream and yell experience the empowerment and true freedom of this appropriate method of delivering health care they too will silence themselves and look upon the corporate masters with a jaded eye. Just like the Iraq debacle. Stay strong.

re Realist, do you really

re Realist, do you really think that instead of health care funding run by government (which you rightly condemn as being dominated by lobbyists), that health care funding would be better run by those who pay the lobbyists?

We had a healthcare debate

We had a healthcare debate during the elections. That is, Kucinich tried to talk about healthcare and he was locked out by the mainstream media. Ron Paul's alternative system (go back to the good old days when most people got zero care if they couldn't pay all cash) also was blacked out. We were left with choosing between two barely different choices. Both the GOP and DNC whine about how Medicare and Medicaid will destroy our budget and economy. But then shut up when doing this faux healthcare debate!!! What both parties plan to do is cut fees to doctors. Then, doctors will cease seeing the elderly and poor. Who will then die. This is the beloved 'if you have no cash, you die' method used in the good old days! The fearful people at these meetings are scared that they will lose their present coverage. But they never ever hear anything about how these cuts in coverage are inevitable. Instead, they are lured into imagining, they will have choices. And if the present system continues, their choices will grow...IF they have either insurance or lots of cash! Presently, our entire system is enjoying a free ride. China is paying for it. The Chinese are already ordering our 'President' to start cutting back on this free ride. By 2014, the Chinese WILL stop this free ride, no ifs, ands or buts. We will suddenly be paying for healthcare with dollars rapidly losing value as the Chinese clean out their dollar hoards and cease buying our debts. So reforms are vital and we are no way ready for this because too many Americans don't know, the Chinese are our insurance holders (they are our bankers).

We need to have a voice in

We need to have a voice in the debate and speak up with respect. It is lifegiving to have just and fair health care coverage with a universal plan and a public option. It is the people empowerment choice . As President Obama has said ," we should not stop what is working." We do not have to be like Europe . We do need to fix what is not working. America, do not let angry people dictate our future. Look at the issues for equitable care for every American regardless of income , job or age. President Obama's health care reform is lifegiving by helping all Americans have an option that is affordable. His plan supports the same life giving options that are being currently done with medicare yet making a similar buy in option for those 18 to 65. Wake up America. It is time we had to stop struggling with crisis after crisis with people dying too young and not getting the care they need due to cost and affordability!!!! Listen, watch, make up your own mind.

"These arguments are being

"These arguments are being ignored entirely by the left, who prefer to demonize those who disagree with them." The problem is that the "opposition" has not put forward a plan that works, much less a plan at all! And saying that Liberals are the ones demonizing the opposition is just plain laughable. You want to talk about demonization, then please explain to me how it is acceptable to liken Liberals to Nazi's, Socialists, Communists and the plethora of other ridiculous accustations that have been thrown out there. Again... without any other plan put forward except to stick with the status quo. So... if you'd like to talk about "demonization" then you need to look no further than the Republican Party.

Get real, "Realist." re:

Get real, "Realist." re: Thu, 08/13/2009 - 15:52 β€” Realist (not verified) I would agree if you said a contemporary Republican lead "government is too corrupt and incompetent to run healthcare." Instead of "turning our healthcare over to politicians who are bought and paid for by Lobbyists," do you propose simply taking out the middlemen (the lobbyists) and leaving everything in the corporations' hands? Campaign finance reform could effectively remove both players from the political arena. I, also, do not "choose to have those [primarily] responsible for Wall Street, The Banking Failure nor the Iraq War running my healthcare" which can only be prevented by neutering the GOP and keeping them as far from the levers of power as possible. Otherwise, they will govern for the profit of their corporate benefactors as they have done in the past.

First, I lived in Canada for

First, I lived in Canada for 7 years and had a number of health issues for which I had to be hospitalized. Never was I billed; not once. My parents spend most of the year in Canada, and I can't count the number of times my parents have praised the Canadian health delivery system. My mother always says how wonderful that it's "free". Of course, I remind her it's not really "free" but it is an incredibly painless way to pay for very decent health care for so many people. Second, my husband is an attorney who works in the health care industry. He has been saying for years that health care as it's delivered in the USA is not sustainable, and he predicts there will be complete collapse by 2012 if things are not changed. We are talking about people paying 40-50% of their income on premiums. We know that employers will continue to cut any and all subsidies they provide because health care costs are so astronomical. We have heard individuals praise the British NHS; I have my own experience with the Canadian health care system. The fact that Pharma/Insurance companies are willing to raise the heat in the rhetoric, risking harm and even death to individuals who propose serious and deep changes to health care in this country is insupportable. This country desperately needs a single payer system, and that its citizens are being disallowed this sensible form of health care delivery is appalling and completely insane.

This open letter details

This open letter details concisely a distinction which has not been strongly enough made in the health care "debate": Dear Mr. President, As you have been emphasizing, health care reform is one of the most important and far reaching policy issues of the last 100 years. The current situation is perilous because we face the prospect of a hodge-podge botched "compromise" (read capitulation to conservatives). Passing a bill and a policy which constitute a political arrangement, but not a comprehensive, efficacious solution to our health insurance problems would be a monumental disaster. Mr. President, please draw a proverbial line in the sand: we must have a comprehensive, efficacious health care reformation, not a political accommodation.

Hello annon 19:05: They

Hello annon 19:05: They will understand only one thing: massive people power in the streets, nothing else. I have said around ten times in these pages so far, let me say it again: Raise ten million patients NOW and march on Washington led by 100,000 patients in wheel chairs. Short of that Limbaugh and Palin will administer your health care under direction from Ailes and Murdoch.

Its not an accident that all

Its not an accident that all of the industrial nations have a better health care system than America does. Their citizens are more educated, intelligent and have more common sense. What we are seeing in America now is the result of the dumbing down of our educational system. I've traveled around the world to many countries and I've been shocked at how much more people in these countries are educated and know so much more about the world we live in. I've been to Asia, Mexico and Central America, Europe and Africa and find the people hands down much smarter than in the US. I'm reminded of the Jay Leno street question posed to a woman asking her who lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. She had no idea, but when asked who lives in a pineapple under the sea she shouts out Sponge Bob. There you have it.

I was at my senator's office

I was at my senator's office today when I learned that our state's biggest (one of only two in the whole state) health insurer wants to raise premiums this year by 30%. For the last several years, it has increased by 15% annually. How many Republicans, let alone the rest of us, want to pay 30% more? Single payer is the ONLY answer to the death grip the insurance industry has on us. It is the solution that would provide peace of mind to everyone. Now, that would be a relief! As for the currently disloyal opposition, there is no reasoning with people who are utterly unreasonable. The Republicans are not disagreeing ABOUT policy; they are disagreeing AS policy. Only a fool would try to reason with people like that. I agree. Take to the streets en masse. It is simply the only thing any of them understand. This issue is too important, and too much of a financial drag on individuals and the country, to wait any longer.

I'm saddened by the way in

I'm saddened by the way in which the U.S. Right is trumpeting a single case as evidence of a supposedly bad Canadian system. I owe my life to the Canadian health system. Once I had appendicitus and might not have gone in time had I not known it was free. As soon as I was diagnosed I drove to the hospital, was operated on, and left in two or three days, not even having to pay for parking. The second time I had a bike accident, a ruptured spleen, and was in intensive care for six days. Fortunately, I got to hospital, by taxi, within half an hour of the accident. After my blood pressure reading was taken I was rushed ahead of all other patients seeking treatment. At one time my heart was going at 200 beats a minute (I suffer from atrial fibrillation and was on blood thinners). There was a consultation of doctors and they decided not to operate, so I was given six bags of blood instead and had to cope with the effects, which included heart failure. I pulled through and have been fine for eight years now. All of this cost me nothing. How much would I have had to pay in the U.S.?

Iatrogenic incidents are a

Iatrogenic incidents are a leading cause of death in the U.S., and the monetary costs are great as well. People who laud Medicare and Medicaid don't seem to me to be counting this. If a government option would allow people to choose an acupuncturist or a naturpathic doctor as gatekeepers, there would be hope of having less expense and more voluntary inclusion. I do not want to be in the same plan with people who want to buy every drug advertised on TV. I don't object to people having that kind of plan if they choose it and pay for it. They may die sooner and cost Social Security less, but that would be their chosen risk. I like my medicine to have thousands of years of research behind it, not just a hundred or so. What's more, the present system forces taxpayers to support medicine that enables self-harm through lifestyle choice. This is not best practice. Ways to change it ought to be considered. So, how about Life Panels? With over 200,000 deaths by the present system in a year, truly, can't we consider plans with less harmful remedies than what is now the vanilla standard?

This is a tragedy of

This is a tragedy of Biblical proportions for the Dems (Who are a majority) to keep dancing around the Far Right and the Exremists who are determined to stop single pay healthcare. The fact that these people (GOP and corporate paid protesters--Shades of Florida) must attack Canadian and UK NHS is pathetic and outrageous. Everyone should be in the streets angry at these lies and further fearmongering Palinist BS. The Dems are a majority and they still act like a minority. Where is an LBJ? That is the man we need in the WH for he knew how to use a pen and sign into legislation what he wanted. As I see it, he was the last Man of the People and all others after him got into bed with the lobbyists and corporate payoffs. Obama is no LBJ. He is university bred and no street fighter.

@ Bob F. and cheaptalker

@ Bob F. and cheaptalker along with anyone else who supports government provided healthcare. Please provide any logic that shows government run healthcare isn't run by Politicians in the pockets of Lobbyists. Please get a reality check will you? As to blaming all on the Repug's, Obama and the DNC sure hasn't embraced the Bush Doctrine of indefinite detention and warrantless wire taps have they? They sure have went after the crimes of the Bush Administration haven't they? They sure aren't forking over Billions/Trillions over to Wall Street and the International Banks are they? I suggest you get a clue, the Federal Government is Corrupt and I will not support turning over my health to them.

You Americans don't have any

You Americans don't have any problem with turning over to politicians, the security of your nation, with the most devastatingly powerful economic and military might in the world at their complete disposal, but you don't trust them to create a publicly funded health care plan for the benefit of all citizens, equally? You actually allow your leaders to have access to free health care at the same time as you demand that it NOT be made available to all of you, equally. And that Sarah Palin, now there's a piece of work. Some people will say anything that they are paid to say. Some people will just say anything to make the papers. And to think that I actually felt sorry for her during the election. Boy was I wrong! She must be Rush Limbaugh's secretary or something. Will her descendants ever have have a set of red ears after reading that biography!

I love the idea of taking to

I love the idea of taking to the streets. After all, they can't ignore our numbers, can they? Yes They Can! I was in a march on Washington with over 10,000 people against the Iraq occupation. It was not reported in the news. Repeat: It was not reported in the news. Not the MSM in any case. I grew disheartened and haven't marched since. I don't know how to win this one, guys.

The main message I keep

The main message I keep hearing from the anti-reform protesters is "I don't care so long as I'm all right." The true legacy of the Nixon-Reagan-Bush regimes.

The first commenter

The first commenter complains about mandatory participation, a refrain I've heard all too often from those who don't want to buy health insurance. Universal coverage cannot be achieved efficiently without mandatory participation. The young and healthy cannot be allowed to game the system, to participate only when they consider their personal risk justifies the cost to them. In effect, they receive free coverage of the most expensive ER form, and it has been estimated that this costs the rest of us $1000 extra per year. Sorry, everyone has to pay. We don't refuse treatment to seriously ill or injured people in this country. It's not fair, to say the least, that they shift the cost of their care, when they finally need it, to the rest of us.

Obama's intent is to give

Obama's intent is to give corporations an opportunity to willingly cooperate with changes that are more socially responsible. If this actually happens it will be less traumatic to society than putting them out of business. Many health insurance companies, as they currently exist, are not productive members of a health care system, they are speculators on "health futures" bent on extracting profits, not improving the health of America. Like Wall Street speculators they will inevitably collapse because they take more than they give. That will be no more fun than what we have experienced already. Change is going to happen. It will be easy or hard. Let's strive for easy. To big to fail could turn out to be too big to succeed because the corporations are too unwieldy to change. If they do change in a more socially responsible direction there will indeed be further pressure put on them to change even more. Demonizing this as "socialism" misses the point. The point is - corporations have to become responsible institutions. If they remain social parasites they will perish because they have killed their host.

The moment for framing the

The moment for framing the argument for the need for universal health care, which is just as much of a human "right", as is the right to clean air, water, and education, has long since past--an opportunity has been irretrievably lost. The only question now, without a change of tactics, is how bad the slaughter will become. Is it possible that ground could actually be lost? What needs to be done now is to retreat to a defensible position--one in which the parameters are known, and which cannot be redefined by the opposition. By making the age at which Medicare should become available (now 65) the ONLY ISSUE, and advocating change of this to age 50 (55 as fallback), a great improvement over the current situation can be achieved without jeopardizing the hope for even more universal coverage in the future. Rather than trying to win the "entire war" with one bill, we should instead set up a situation where "a battle is won", with possibilities for gaining even more ground in the future.

Dear realist, I have a

Dear realist, I have a question for you. Will you be participating in our government provided Medicare Program(who'd a thunk it-govt run healthcare) when you are old enough? Perhaps you are wealthy and healthy enough to afford the insurance premiums that the elderly get charged by private insurers. Those two options along with medicaid are the only options in most of these United States, unless you pay cash for your healthcare. Sir or madam, you missed the point of my previous post. Lobbyists are not at the root of this problem. In this case, the people who employ them are(that was why I mentioned campaign finance reform). Those are the same people you, I assume, would prefer to rely on for your health insurance. If you do that, you will help them pay for their lobbying campaigns. I have neither the time, space, nor patience to school you in the panoply of issues you raised. Given that you have time, a computer, and an internet connection you can learn about reality on your own. P.S. A moniker change might be in order...

In the years prior to WWII

In the years prior to WWII European newspaper and radio was feeding lies and misdirection...just like the US today. Those misinformed Europeans, e.g. Germany, Italy, etc., were thus easily led into a disastrous war, all to benefit war profiteers.

To Realist : Government run

To Realist : Government run health care would have no lobbyists. Don't you get it. The lobbyists are hired by corporations to influence politicians with money for their reelection campaigns. Health care lobbyists will be out of a job if single payer is passed because the government won't hire lobbyists to influence themselves. Health care lobbyists don't influence government in England, France, Canada and the rest of the industrialized world that has a single payer system. That's kind of the point, to get rid of the influence of overcharging by big Pharma and insurance companies.