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Eugene Robinson | The Debate: The All-Important Grumpiness Factor

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by: Eugene Robinson, Washington Post

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John McCain revealed his "grumpy" side during the first presidential debate on Friday night. (Photo: AFP / Getty Images)

    Here's the politically incorrect way of phrasing one of the central questions about tonight's presidential debate: Did John McCain come across as too much of a grumpy old man?

    That might not be a nice question, but it's an important one. Americans like to vote for the nice guy, not the grumbling prophet of doom. Throughout the 90-minute debate, McCain seemed contemptuous of Obama. He wouldn't look at him. He tried to belittle him whenever possible -- how many times did he work "Senator Obama just doesn't understand" into his answers? His body language was closed, defensive, tense. McCain certainly succeeded in proving that he can be aggressive, but the aggression came with a smirk and a sneer.

    In terms of substance, there were no knockout blows. (I hate using the prizefight metaphor, which is the oldest cliché in the world, but unfortunately it's the only metaphor approved for journalistic use in connection with a presidential debate. I don't write the rules.) Both candidates got in numerous good lines and a couple of real zingers. McCain managed to cross the dangerous terrain of economic policy without suffering grievous harm, and Obama managed to surmount the foreign-policy toughness threshold. Voters who were leaning toward one or the other but wanted reassurance probably found it.

    But we in the commentariat tend to forget that the electorate always, and I mean always, sees a presidential debate very differently from the way we see it. If you read the papers in the fall of 2000, for example, you learned that Al Gore wiped the floor with George Bush in their encounters -- but voters thought otherwise. Demeanor and body language have been important in every debate I can think of, so I can't imagine why they wouldn't be important in this one. The candidate who projects affability and optimism is usually seen to have bettered the candidate who projects resentment and gloom. If that is the case with tonight's debate, Obama won and McCain lost.

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Did anyone else notice how

Did anyone else notice how McCain tried to get in Senator Obama's shots when he was talking? Several times, he stood behind or walked back and forth behind Senator Obama; the camera person had to reposition the camera to eliminate McCain.

Obama did not deliver the

Obama did not deliver the knockout blow - "John you said several times that I don't understand this or that, that I don't have the experience. But experience is no good without wisdom. You with your Vietnam experience voted for and backed the invasion of Iraq - the greatest error the US has made since the Vietnam war. maybe addfing: "No, John, experience does not automatically qualify you for Commander in Chief. You, VP Cheney and Rumsfeld all had experience - and you all damaged the US so badly that the next president will be hard put to it to recover our position in the world.

Obama DID win. McCain WAS

Obama DID win. McCain WAS cranky, contemptuous and obviosuly furious. Obama is going to get tougher and tougher as this debate process unfolds -- on the McCain-friendly NBC "Meet the Press" today, McCain was even allowed to return to his old rant about Barack not agreeing to McCain's favorite format, many "town hall" meetings. Give me a break. The guy is sounding (and looking) cornered and desperate.Barack Obama is so much more "presidential" in every respect -- attitude, intellect, appearance, thoughtfulness -- and he will win on November 4. But getting there is going to be excruciating, not unlike the primaries with Hillary.

Senator Obama has brought a

Senator Obama has brought a nowadays forgotten, “old-fashioned” value to the American political/cultural table – respectful manners. Now, it should go without saying that, in consequential negotiations, such attitude precludes neither decisiveness nor forcefulness. Respectful manners are, furthermore, the natural mainstay of any effective diplomacy. Only the weak see that behavior as a sign of weakness. Arrogance is the chosen mask of ignorance. And, sad to say, if senator McCain’s attitude and gesturing in the presidential debate on foreign relations is what most Americans would expect from our leader when it comes to dealing with the rest of the world, we will be in for the bumpiest of rides once that self-proclaimed “expert” on foreign affairs is seated in the oval office. Nothing good has ever come from leaders who use harsh political speak while wielding a minuscule financial stick on the world’s stage.

McCain knew POWs were left

McCain knew POWs were left behind in 1973 in Vietnam. He hindered their release. He is no man of honor.

I'm afraid that - regardless

I'm afraid that - regardless of one may feel about the issues or who 'won' the debate - John McCain showed me why he should NOT be president. While he may disagree with Obama, there is no excuse for rudeness to a man many Americans do support. How can a man bring our country together if he cannot be civil to his rival? John McCain refused to even glance at Obama let alone address him directly. When you add to this the historic importance of this event - that 40 years ago 2 people were killed in riots to keep African Americans from attending the University where we now had a debate with the first major party African American nominee - it was important for the white candidate to acknowledge history. Mr. McCain not only didn't acknowledge this historic occasion, he didn't acknowledge the presence of his African-American rival at ALL. When asked by the moderator to address his opponent directly his response was "Do you think I can't hear him?!" This is not only RUDE, it smacks of blatant racism. I, personally, was embarrassed and ashamed of McCain's behavior.

Even George W. Bush could

Even George W. Bush could not be of use to John McCain as a foil for his public presence. McCain's was worse! His stiff demeanor, his snide comments that would only find favor among old friends in a country club locker room, and his inability to speak with confidence about anything but the military. Even in speaking of things military, his level of communication was embarrassingly trite and sophomoric: I have experience, I know these people (foriegn leaders), I know what to do, you (Obama) do not understand, you (Obama) don't SAY those kinds of things (in public), referring to attack operations within Pakistan without their gov't's consent, even if you're going to do them. For his part, Obama at least got it across that he was a problem solver who did not have all the answers, but would deal with problems and crises in a more authentic manner.

It is very clear now that

It is very clear now that Jonh McCain will lead this country in the worst direction, even worst than M r bush did. This country now dose not need an angry tyrant like McCain. If McCain thought that repeatedly saying that Obama does not understandand being noticeably angry at him will get him votes, he is sorely mistaken. As voter, I like my leader to be respectful of other people's views, even when he may not agree with them. I am afraid that McCain is very likely to show lack of respect to other world leaders, and as such, I am voting now for Obama. Thank you Mr McCain FOR HELPING ME MAKE THIS DIFFICULT DECISION.

McCain's most repulsive

McCain's most repulsive assertion in the debate--and one he never gets called on--is that we can't pull our troops out of Iraq, because then those who gave their lives would have died in vain. What he means is that when our leaders make the gross blunder of sending our troops into an ill-conceived mess, those young men and women on the front lines will just have to keep sacrificing themselves until they pull the blunderers' fat from the fire. It's the eternal Republican credo--whether it's Iraq, 9/11, or Wall Street--never admit a mistake and piously heap praise on the common people (read: victims), because by the time their hard work eventually turns things around, no one will remember who created the mess in the first place.

Watching the debate I was

Watching the debate I was convinced that a vote for McCain would set the country back years on every front- economic, foreign affairs, health care etc... I feel it would get so bad that we probably would never fully recover. That's when it hit me, we are on the brink of full out disaster right now. An Obama Presidency is our only chance to move forward in a thoughtful, humane way. Of course he's not perfect but in this moment he has what it takes. I don't think if McCain or Palin gave a speech in Berlin 200,000 people would have showed up waving American flags.

What McCain did in the

What McCain did in the debate was "control his temper", But in the process he revealed to a curious intenational audience a tightness and an snide but poor attempt at condescension that might prove to be a handicap in important international negotiations with world leaders who pose a threat to his narrow, simplistic world view.

Obama won! McCain never

Obama won! McCain never mentioned the middle class, and his entire answer to the health care problem was that it is between families and doctors. Obama pointed out that McCain will raise taxes on health care benefits. McCain wallowed around in the surge has won the war, while keeping his promise he will keep troops there for a hundred years if necessary. If the surge was so successful then why can't we bring the troops home? Apparently it is not as successful as they are trumpeting. McCain needs to retire.

Sorry, but Obama could have

Sorry, but Obama could have destroyed McCain, but he was much too cerebral and intellectual. He should be repeating Phil Gramm in every speech- that McCain's economic "genius" advisor is directly responsible for this economic catastrophy- it is the silver bullet against McCain. When McCain slammed his judgement at the end, Obama should have nailed McCain on his endless support for the start of the Iraq War, his deregulation fervor, his recklessness in picking Sarah Palin, and frankly his most insane decision- to stay in a NV hellhole prison for 4 years because he was ashamed of facing his 4 star admiral father after doing a video under torture saying US was wrong in Vietnam.

Can't Republicans come up

Can't Republicans come up with something fresher than invoking Reagan? The Reagan revolution is almost 30 years old. The world has changed, our position in it has changed, and 30 years later many of Reagan's policies have proven not to have worked. The Laffer curve and trickle-down have been debunked. Though we continue deficit spending (Deficits don't matter, crowed Cheney) now that we're over $10 trillion in debt, the sad reality is that they do. Even Reagan's confrontational foreign policy seems too Cold War-y for these times. Yet there was McCain trying desperately to claim membership as one of Reagan's foot soldiers and trying to start another Cold War by his bellicosity towards Russia and seeing K-G-B in Putin's eyes. He's stuck in the 80's when many of the rest of us just want to move on. McCain really is a relic from yesterday.

To discount an argument

To discount an argument because the opponent "doesn't understand" is the Straw Man fallacy. The man may be without position, but that doesn't mean his argument has no position. That McCain used it so endlessly made it apparent that Obama was a lot more valid in his points. I still don't know for whom I'm voting, but this past debate is certainly pushing me to vote for someone younger than myself - for the first time.

The clearest result of the

The clearest result of the debate was that one participant seemed old, stuck in the past even (Eisenhowers letters on the eve of Normandy? Why not something from a stone tablet at Thermopyle), and one participant seemed young and looking toward tomorrow. The electorate had no trouble picking which was which in that regard.

The solution to the problems

The solution to the problems that face the nation and the world... one is the the old military approach, the other a diplomatic approach. I'll take the latter, we can't afford the former.

Maybe it's just me but

Maybe it's just me but Senator McCain seems mired in the world of 10 years ago, the values relative to circumstances that prevailed then. You can wish those values worked on today's circumstances all you want but much of the time they don't hold up. Senator Obama seems aware that today's circumstances are mercurial to say the least. He understands that you have to be able to think on your feet and not trot out the cliched phrases, etc. that harken back to a failed past. Last night's debate reminded me that it's not a good idea to vote for the class dunce for student body president. Enough of us did that the last two times and look where it's gotten us... I'm votin' for the smart kid.

Don't forget that Al Gore

Don't forget that Al Gore won the popular vote in 2000 and should have won the presidency. We all remember what happened. I also thought much of McCain's comments sounded desperate and tangential. It looked as if he was trying to distract us when he felt uncomfortable---such as, making a joke or very quickly saying several items unrelated to each other, some of which made no sense. No one has mentioned this on television or on various websites that I have seen today.

I submit that this essay is

I submit that this essay is below Mr. Robinson's usual standard. Though he "hates uaing the prizefight metaphor," he nevertheless does it. That is a tipoff on the low level of the essay. Mr. Robinson mentions the word "substance" only to ignore it. Instead of urging a debate grounded more on "substance," he concentrates on McCain's demeanor. Come on, Mr. Robinson! We expect more from you.

Commentators are more

Commentators are more intelligent and more educated than most ordinary viewers.. They have to be or they could not hold the jobs. That is one reason most of them vote for the Democrates.

Marching forward -- and

Marching forward -- and backward -- into the future! During the debate last night, the Senator from Arizona projected his experience and toughness. Truly, men are from Mars. The Senator from Illinois differed markedly in tone. He seemed cautious; his answers to questions were often complex and nuanced. One might conclude that his inner considerations were thoughtful. He seemed composed, well-spoken, and intelligent. Apparently, from subsequent polling, the Illinois Senator's emphasis on initially engaging rogue nations, such as Iran, through discussion and negotiation, resonated with women moreso than with men. Alternately, the Senator from Arizona came across as tough, combative, and uncompromising. His aggressive approach was augmented by and reflected in repeated personal recriminations against the Senator from Illinois. In this regard, he has now been described as disdainful, caustic, smug, and condescending. Perhaps, most revealing in the debate was the respective perspectives of the two Senators. The views of the Senator from Arizona were frequently retrospectives, often militaristic. It must be hard for many of last night's viewers not to characterize this rhetoric as just the musings of another 'cranky old man'.