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Brutalizing Kids: Painful Lessons in the Pedagogy of School Violence

by: Henry A. Giroux, t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed

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    On May 20, 2009, Marshawn Pitts, a 15-year-old African-American boy, who is also a special needs student, was walking down the corridor of the Academy for Learning High School in Dolton, Illinois. A police officer in the school noticed that the boy's shirt was not tucked in and started shouting and swearing at him. Pitts claims that he immediately started to tuck in his shirt, but it was too late. Within seconds, the police officer pushed him into the lockers, repeatedly punched him and then slammed him to the ground and pushed his face to the floor. The officer then applied a face down, take-down hold to the child, a maneuver that has resulted in over 20 deaths nationwide and is banned in eight states. Pitts said he was terrified and was having a hard time breathing as a result of the use of the forceful restraint. As a result of this unprovoked attack by a police officer, who is supposed to protect kids in school, the young man ended up with a broken nose and a bruised jaw. In case the reader suspects I have confused the facts, the assault was caught on school security cameras and ended up on Youtube (see below).

Indeed, a 15-year-old boy with an early childhood brain injury and a learning disorder, attending a school for special needs children, was tackled and sustained injury in the school by a police officer because of a dress code violation. Pitts was not carrying a weapon. He did not threaten anyone. He was not dealing drugs. In fact, he appears to have given an entirely new meaning to what constitutes a clear and present danger, warranting the use of force by the police - he simply did not have his shirt tucked in, and for this he was beaten by a police officer three times his size. Harmless acts of indiscretion are now elevated to the status of a dangerous crime.

    One could argue that this case is so bizarre and outrageous that the only logical explanation is to call into question the cop's (not the kid's) mental capacities. How could a reasonable adult trained as a professional police official assault so viciously a young boy for no apparent or legitimate reason? But that is too easy. The brutalizing behavior exhibited by this unhinged police officer would be better understood as symptomatic of a set of larger forces in American society that are increasingly defining kids through a youth crime complex that touches almost every aspect of their lives - extending from the streets they walk on to the schools and community centers in which they spend most of their time. This is not meant to suggest that school violence is not a real problem. Schools have an obligation to create safe environments for all of our children, environments that are welcoming rather than threatening, conducive to real learning and attentive to the problems students face. Administrators and teachers should connect to student histories, be respectful of their experiences, encourage their voices and protect their rights. At the same time, school safety must take seriously the broader educational goal of educating students "to participate in the complex and infinitely worthwhile labor of forming citizens, men and women capable of furthering what's best about us and forestalling what's worst."[1] The tragic death of 16-year-old Chicago student, Derrion Albert, captured on video recently; the 34 school age children that have been killed in Chicago this school year; the 290 wounded in 2008; and the fact that one recent study states that 61 percent of all school children are exposed to varying degrees of violence speaks to the culture of violence that young people face everyday both in and out of schools. This bears repeating: in and out of schools. School violence cannot be disconnected from the larger violence that filters through American society, nor can it be addressed by demonizing or beating kids or, increasingly, militarizing their schools. Nor can it be addressed by simply pumping money into cash-strapped schools simply to promote standardized testing. The underlying economic, social and political causes of violence are largely tied to a society in which young people, especially poor, minority youth, simply do not matter any longer and are considered disposable. Removed from the discourse of social investment, if not the social contract itself, they are destined to be unemployed, having been warehoused in schools often lacking the most basic resources, and subject to a culture of violence from which they can rarely escape and almost never transform on their own.

    In a society in which young people are increasingly the victims of adult abuse, maligned as dangerous and undeserving of investment, it is not surprising, given how little money or time is spent on them, that they are treated as a threat, and their behavior endlessly monitored, controlled and subject to harsh disciplinary measures. Schools, especially for poor kids, are largely viewed as either testing centers where young people are simply bored into passivity or submission, or they are modeled after prisons - subject to punishing zero-tolerance policies, lock-downs, constant surveillance, humiliating security measures and intimidated and sometimes assaulted by security and police who are often armed and roam the corridors. In short, if you are a poor black, brown or white kid, you are not considered a student or a productive citizen, but a potential criminal. Schools now form partnerships with the police and private security agencies. Teachers, once the heroes in this coming-of-age narrative, are now a sideshow, most are deskilled, reduced to technicians teaching for the high-stake testing machine and often forced to share their responsibilities with armed security forces. Administrators now confuse management with leadership and become the pawns of corporate and punishing forces they can no longer control. Instead of investing in disadvantaged youth, American society now punishes them, and instead of preparing them for a productive life in the larger society, too many young people are pushed and shoved into a criminal justice system. They move from the schools directly to the juvenile detention centers, if not adult prisons. And when money is pumped into the schools, it is increasingly diverted away from addressing real problems such as the need for more teachers, social workers, health workers, teaching aids and safe avenues of protection for kids traveling to and from school. Instead, the money is invested in metal detectors, surveillance cameras, security guards, high security fences and armed police with dogs.

    While all youth are now suspect, poor, minority youth have become the primary targets of modes of social regulation, crime control and disposability - now, the major prisms that define many of the public institutions and spheres that govern their lives. The model of policing that governs all kinds of social behaviors and interactions also constructs a narrow range of meaning through which young people define themselves. This rhetoric and practice of policing, surveillance and punishment has little to do with the project of youth as the social investment of the future and a great deal to do with increasingly powerful modes of disciplinary regulation, pacification and control - elements comprising a "youth control complex," whose prominence in American society points to a state of affairs in which democracy has lost its claim while the claims of democracy go unheard.

    Students being miseducated, mistreated, criminalized and arrested through a form of penal pedagogy in locked down schools that resemble prisons is a vicious and incredibly visible index of the degree to which mainstream politicians and the American public have turned their backs on young people in general and poor minority youth in particular. As schools are reconfigured to resemble prisons, crime becomes the central metaphor used to define the school environment while criminalizing the behavior of young people becomes the most valued strategy in mediating the relationship between educators and students. The consequences of these policies for young people suggest not only an egregious abdication of responsibility - as well as reason, judgment and restraint - on the part of administrators, teachers and parents, but also a new role for schools as they become more prison-like and more segregated as a consequence, eagerly adapting to their role as an adjunct of the punishing state. One wonders how many more kids have to be brutalized in their schools and killed outside of schools before the American public wakes up and takes seriously not only their responsibility to young people, but also their commitment to a mode of politics and a future that is on the side of young people rather than a vision shaped largely by the values of the corporate state and the disciplinary apparatuses of the punishing criminal justice system. What does this particular video of Marshawn Pitts being brutalized by a police officer and the equally heart breaking video of Derrion Albert being beaten to death by his peers tell us about what kids are actually learning in schools? Far too often, dominant media, school administrators, politicians, and others insist on the pathology of privatized and collective violence that runs roughshod over kids' lives in and out of schools. In the case of the police officer who brutally beat Marshawn, the comforting solution is to privatize the assault, an example of an individual pathology, the work of a "bad apple." The beating of Derrion by other kids similarly speaks to an alleged culture of depravity that has been defined for the last three decades as Black, urban and dangerous. In both cases, the systemic underlying neoliberal economic, institutional, educational and racist underpinnings of such violence disappear into the logic of individual pathology or into the always crowd-pleasing categorization of the culture of blackness as pathological. Neither answer will do, at least not in an aspiring democracy. Finally, what do these acts of violence against children tell us about what kids are learning through the pedagogical force of the larger culture? What do they tell us about a society that refuses to recognize that the issue is not what is wrong with children, but what is wrong with American society?

    Note:

    [1] Mark Slouka, "Dehumanized: When Math and Science Rule the School," Harper's Magazine (September 2009), p. 34.

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     Henry A. Giroux holds the Global TV Network chair in the Department of English and Cultural Studies at McMaster University in Canada. This article touches on a number of themes taken up in his newest book, "Youth in a Suspect Society: Democracy or Disposability?," which has just been published by Palgrave Macmillan. His homepage is www.henryagiroux.com.

  

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The notion that children

The notion that children need "discipline" (defined here by swift and certain punishment for misdeeds) in order to achieve success in school is fundamentally American. The uniforms, the "sir" in reference to teachers, the straight lines marching down the halls, the absolute silence demanded in some nonacademic environments, the military academies funded by tax dollars all reinforce an unhealthy attitude towards learning and young people: Learning is done to avoid punishment and achieve rewards (never because it has value and interest in itself) and that children are lawless and only interested in goofing off. If children are brought up from preschool age under those assumptions, they soon become what is expected of them. While they may learn to read (enough to pass the test) and do math (ditto), they will never learn to love learning, to create, to criticize, to honor intellectual life. It is too bad--they could be so much more than they often turn out to be.

Schools are prisons and

Schools are prisons and eliminators of critical thinking. The horrifying incident described at the start of this fine article is the tip of the iceberg. I taught junior and high school for 9 years. I quit when I noticed that my job was as more of a jailer, cultural brainwasher and babysitter than as an educator. The administrators were corrupt. They required that we let the DEA and police into our classrooms where they lied to students about "drugs" and encouraged students to nark on their parents. Police officers increasingly patrol the schools, doing illegal searches, sexual harassment, statutory rape, and other sick things. The entire model of most public schools is set up to resemble a factory and a prison. The books I was given to teach with were cultural myths and indoctrination. Sad to say that Montessori and Waldorf schools should be what our public schools are like. Add to that the many lazy, pathetic parents who never fed their kids healthy food, who used television as a babysitter, and whose children come to school with organic and psychological brain problems that make it virtually impossible for them to learn. Also the corrupt administrators who pocket money and made us teachers pay for chalk and other supplies out of our own pocket while trying to bust our teacher's unions. One thing missing from the article: the name of the fascist police officer who brutalized the student. We need his name, so we can make sure he is prosecuted and ostracized, never again to wear a badge, imprisoned for a long, long time.

What the hell is going on in

What the hell is going on in this country?

This cop should be put in

This cop should be put in jail for his criminal actions and never given the power of a cop again. We live in a Police state. Police abuse needs to be stopped. Too many cops think that force is the answer at times when it is not. Sure this is a crime against a youth but that is not where the problem is with our cops, rather it is what many police officers think about black folk in our country. Harvard Professor Gates was mistakenly arrested in his own house and most likely that would not have happened to a white Harvard Professor. Yes, if government is messed up in return you get a messed up police force. Look what happened to the g-20 protesters; part of the price of living in an Empire.

"... the systemic underlying

"... the systemic underlying neoliberal economic, institutional, educational and racist underpinnings of such violence disappear into the logic of individual pathology or into the always crowd-pleasing categorization of the culture of blackness as pathological." This is exactly how torture was explained by the Bush administration. As a few "bad apples", when, in fact, it was the rottenness of the entire administration. An administration that was guiding, directing and creating a vast network of torture, saying one thing publicly and then doing the opposite privately. I agree with Giroux: it is the all pervading philosophy of neoliberal economics that formulates and shapes a brutal educational system in which the young are courted as criminals. Until neoliberalism, as espoused by Friedman and all his lingering students staffing thousands of governmental and societal positions, is replaced by a socially-positive. socially-responsive philosophy, this situation will only grow worse. The giant white suburbs, effectually segregated by money and class, are still another symptom of the neoliberal, sink or swim philosophy of political conservatives (and the moderates who facilitate their horrendous agenda). We now need to begin the arduous and seemingly impossible task of swinging this country back toward the left so we can heal the ugliness that has been spawned by Reagan and all the others in his wake, mostly Republican, but Democrat as well.

I find it interesting to see

I find it interesting to see people calmly walking past with not so much as a glance as the student is being brutalized. This leads me to believe that beatings in that school are commonplace and accepted.

Not too sure about this one.

Not too sure about this one. After following the link provided, I found that the video was so chopped that it was impossible to get the fuller context promised. Try this link: http://www.nbcchicago.com/station/as-seen-on/Surveillance_Video_Captures_Struggle_Between_Cop__Student_Chicago.html This will allow you you see the whole incident. Clearly this is not just about one 'unhinged' cop. Four adults are involved in restraining this boy - no one is attempting to restrain the cop. The door at the end of the corridor is being monitored by a mature looking women, from the look of it to keep others away. While the initial beating that the boy got from the cop cannot be justified, what we don't know is what the boy actually said to the cop. There is no sound. Who knows what obscenities, what provocative statements about the cop's mother or wife, could have been uttered? Apart from the testimony of the people concerned, and so far no one except the 'victim' is talking, we don't know what really happened. What we do know is that 4 adults were complicit in physically restraining this boy, and from the look of them they weren't all white. It's easy to point the finger at those in authority. Yet, kids need to learn that unacceptable actions have consequences. We don't know for sure what really happened. It seems incredible to me to suggest that this incident was only about a boy who didn't have his shirt tucked it.

There is no excuse for

There is no excuse for violence by an official working in the schools to prevent violence. However, interestingly the article mentions not one word of what kind of individual the student was, what the student was doing at the time that the policeman was talking to him in fact it appeared that he was disrespecting the authority of the police officer when the policeman became unhinged and lit into him. A more balanced story would have mentioned some extenuating circumstances which I'm sure exist including whether or not this student was a constant discipline problem and what kind of violence led to his earlier head injury. Were the two related? There is a Zen proverb that says .... all injuries are self-inflicted. This would apply to both individuals here. A more balanced approach to this story would give it more credibility

Horrifying, absolutely

Horrifying, absolutely horrifying. In Boston last summer a young man, probably drunk but otherwise not making serious trouble was thrown to the ground face down and handcuffed by police, stopped breathing and later died. http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2008/06/30/arrest_death_bring_inquiry/?page=2 Reading this story and watching the video makes me wonder if the 22 year old in Boston wasn't also subject to a "face down, take-down hold." Police overreaction is dangerous. And in a school for special needs students someone gets brutalized for having his shirt untucked? The video shows a teacher walking by, just looking over her shoulder, not appearing alarmed, and going on her way.

we need to get the police

we need to get the police out of our schools

As a Chicago Public Schools

As a Chicago Public Schools teacher on the city's South Side in a high need school, I can all too well understand the plight of this young teen and others like him. They are at a great disadvantage when the money that is used to fund programs to help them are cut while needless administrator positions such as CAOs (Curriculum Area Officers: Isn't a teacher supposed to know what curriculum to offer? Would we put up with someone micromanaging a fireman during a blaze?!) and countless other such administrative positions that pay in the 100ks remain. I can also understand to some extent the plight of some of these security officers who day in and out have to deal with some reckless and violent student offenders. They're on edge by the time they get to the innocent ones. While this is not an excuse for such types of abuse, it is one of the reasons why such things happen. As far as I can see, it's time to overhaul the CPS administrative system. Put teachers in charge. And let the armchair bureaucrats try to go work for Barclays Capital. Let's see how far their shenanigans would get them there!

I'm sorry, Henry, but to be

I'm sorry, Henry, but to be taken seriously you have to address certain important points. Granted, the officer overreacted and was unprofessional, but please stop referring to the student as "a young boy," and saying that his infraction was "simply not having his shirt tucked in" and "harmless indiscretion." Fifteen is old enough and big enough to commit serious criminal violence. And his adaptation of the school uniform was as close as one could get with that outfit to convey the image of a gansta, which to is a tacit threat (gansta time ain't play time). Now what remains is unmentioned is the response the student made to the officer. It doesn't look like he was tucking in his shirt or showing respect for the force end of the "force of law." I think the real lesson here is that kids should be taught that the rule of law protects them, too, and they should respect the police who are there to enforce the law. The overreaction of the cop tells us that the officer is angry and afraid, and depending on how this kid spends his weekends, he may have good reason. By the way, am I the only one who noticed that Derrion Albert's last action before being clobbered was to try to help his friends beat up an adult white male who had been hiding behind a car in the parking lot? He swings a punch as the man runs for his life, then blam, cruel irony in a red jacket hits him in the back of the head.

I am British, married an

I am British, married an American and lived in USA for 12 years. Our family moved out of U.S.A. to avoid raising the children there. In part, this article articulates perfectly why we made our decision. However, I am utterly shocked to hear the extent of the culture of violence. Police state style schools must be replaced with decent learning environments, with the changes suggested. America you need to move on this!

Children, especially boys,

Children, especially boys, need fathers. The welfare state has led to the destruction of the black family, and fatherless homes have fostered a culture of black crime. In the depression, blacks married at a higher rate than whites.

The police are out of

The police are out of control in this country...whether they're in our schools, on our streets, or accosting someone in his own home for no reason. Violence is rampant, and police can no longer be counted on to protect the innocent. No doubt this general trend is a reflection of peoples' unreasonable fears--having been stoked to the breaking point over the past 8 years or more.

Too much talk, Henry. Just

Too much talk, Henry. Just post that "police officer's" name and badge number, or their home address. That's all we need.

I don't know what is more

I don't know what is more sickening, the event itself or the reaction of people who try to justify this brutal attack. This policeman reaction is so wrong on so many levels, regardless of any unproven and in any case nonviolent transgressions by the student. As a parent of a special needs kid I am horrified! And if the only saving grace is my white race, I am horrified even more.

Hello, Jack Willmore and

Hello, Jack Willmore and Anonandon. What you say DOESN'T MEAN JACK! Look at the FACTS. What P.O.DEPT ARE YOU TWO ASSOCIATED WITH? The EMPLOYERS (CITIZENS) deserve much more than that from the ones WE PAY TO PROTECT and SERVE. SIMPLE as THAT . NO BIG WORDS. Evaluation time! THE BOSSES

To the reader who says "15

To the reader who says "15 is old enough" - old enough for what? As the father of two teenage boys I can say quite comfortably that on the barometer of consiousness 15 is nowhere! Teenagers are a great mirror for adults and society in general - they act, unconsiously, on what they see and absorb - they mimick actions, not words - they see what is cool and go for it like lemmings. America has very little but violence to offer. Violence permeates every facet of American life, media, culture, religion and thought. That's how it is with you guys - you love it and you live it (and you export it). If you would like to change the focal point of your societies ambition you will have to let other concepts in - currently there is no room as violence in all its forms has the bandwidth all tied up.

I, for one (and I have a lot

I, for one (and I have a lot of good company), take Henry Giroux very seriously. His is always the voice of sanity in an increasingly insane world – one I find extremely credible. Thank you, Henry! If Jack (00:01) believes the koan that all injury is self-inflicted (and he must since he used it to bolster his blame-the-victim philosophy, i.e. the kid’s beating was self-inflicted), it therefore follows that he believes we, as a society, should abolish all forms of punishment for any acts that inflict injury (or death, the ultimate injury) on others, since victims bring it on themselves and are to blame (even when the injured is a 15-year-old special-needs kid and the perpetrator of that injury is a burly police officer who can't control his rage). Had Henry spread the blame between the attacker and the victim in this story, doing so would have been tantamount to apologizing for the truth, the telling of which was made so much more powerful by virtue of the video (if one picture is worth 1,000 words, how many more is a video worth?). The breaking of a school "law" - in this case a dress "code" requiring a student's shirt to be tucked in, does NOT warrant brute and potentially lethal force by an armed policeman! Nor would it have, even if the boy was mouthing off or not tucking in his shirt. What happened to being sent to the Principal’s office or being given detention? I see nothing remotely "gangsta" about that young man's dress (sloppy, yes, but certainly not worthy of a brutal beating). As for respecting the law, I think there are those who confuse "respect" with "fear." Respect is earned. Always. Bullies never earn respect, but they always inspire fear. A police officer who is angry, afraid of an unarmed, special-needs kid (really?!?!), and unable to control himself while armed and clearly dangerous should be feared by people of all ages. I hope he will find another line of work before he kills someone. He is far more a menace to society than the boy he beat up. At a minimum, he should be put on permanent desk duty.

I cannot believe the folks

I cannot believe the folks on here talking about "extenuating circumstances". Even if the young adult disrespected the officer, there was no justification for the officers response....NONE what so ever. He could have simply detained him and taken him to the office. Instead he brutally assaulted the individual. How can you possibly justify that?

I find these articles most

I find these articles most unsettling. Who to believe? Is the truth 100-0%, 80-20%, 60-40%? How are we to know; authors have their own "agenda", and they have a reason for writing their articles. Previous comments have raised good points pro and con. We will probably never get the whole truth. Two things however. The officer, in my opinion, had no reason to "fear for his safety", judging from the video. His reaction was most likely overblown. And two, the young man in question hasn't learned to "play the game" with authority figures. If he was innocently tucking in his shirt, he should have done that in front of the officer while chatting with him. The officer gets what he probably wanted, and the young man most likely would be able to walk away. Unless there was more to this than we will ever know...

I am absolutely disgusted by

I am absolutely disgusted by some of these comments. One commentator seems to be blaming the victim for an earlier brain injury. Another seems to think that walking while young, male, and black is a crime. In this country, people are supposed to be considered innocent until proven guilty, and there is absolutely no evidence in that video that the young man did anything violent at all before the police officer attacked him. The police officer acted like a junk yard dog behind a fence that was too short. There may be reasons that the officer's fuse was too short, but whatever those reasons are, they are no excuse for using potentially fatal force against anyone who was not already displaying potentially fatal violence-unless we want to admit that we are in the midst of a war to the death against the young and poor.

This is why we once referred

This is why we once referred to cops as "pigs."

To: 13:52. You did not

To: 13:52. You did not mention the possibility of racism. Did you see how white that fat cop was and how brown that young boy is? I take issue with your desire to please the cop. That young man suffered a kind of civil disobedience-related violence. Since when does the public militia have the right to enforce dress codes - with violence. I say that boy was brave for his persistence in not tucking in his shirt. MLK would have been proud. This was: white vs. black through and through.

Just saw the video. All the

Just saw the video. All the pertinent action is at the beginning. Looks like the kids hands over someting to a lady who also grabs the kid's arm to get that something from the kid ("disarm" him of an otherwise harmless thing), and a second later the cop puts that harmless something on the ground (which he wouldn't do if it was a real weapon). The kid pulls his arm from the lady and walks on and then pulls up his jersey in a gesture to the cop. After a second of decision, the cop slams the kid. The kids gets right up, ready to fight, which is a human response and as much the right of a civilian as of a cop (self-defense instinct). The cop continues the submission with help of other authority-aged figures presumably of the school while the kids seems to be resisting. The ONLY justification would be that the cop thought the kid was about to pull a weapon or attack him, which is paranoid but subjective and maybe understandable. Otherwise, this is total abuse for emotional lack of control on the part of the cop and the he needs to be fired and maybe punished with jail time. Still, the underlying problem here goes much deeper into our society's festering mental-emotional illness caused by a history of fundamental inequality ranging from chattel slavery to monopoly of land ownership and our system of economic peonage becoming more exacerbated in the current economic crisis.

I would like to encourage

I would like to encourage all the kids in that "school" to wear their shirts hanging fully over their pants. They should create a yearly "untucked shirts day" to remember this young man and the bullying he had to endure from the sadistic, mentally and emotionally twisted, militaristic, racist and ugly conservative community. I also agree with a previous comment: where is this cop's name in print. I want to know who he is.

Many of you, perhaps,

Many of you, perhaps, non-educators may not understand the meaning of GANGS. I used to think GANGS were on the streets. Welcome to the new classrooms, they are full of GANGS. And this is an equal opportunity situation, not just composed of minorities. Reprimand one student and you have just reprimanded most of the class. Ask the individual student for his/her name, in the case of a referral, and they will refuse to give it to you. The rest of the class remains mum. There are no second chances, either. One misunderstanding and the entire class will use you as a punching bag. I have never, ever seen anything like it. What I do see working well is when the student or students misbehave and the teacher does not react. The bad behavior continues and the teacher does not react. After some time, the student feels safe and discontinues the bad behavior.

I have two grandsons in the

I have two grandsons in the publice schools in Santa Fe. Many of our schools have dress codes. I can see some use in that. Gang colors. Gang style. They don't want them showing up in the "halls of learning". But here are a couple of examples of our educational priorities. One morning a young friend of ours put on a clean pair of dress code appropriate pants. His mother noticed that they had a small tear and suggested he change them.He didn't think they'd care so hurrying to get her kids to school and herself to work she let it ride. Sure enough, the school called her at work to come pick him up because of the tear. She was AT WORK, and told them shed'be there as soon as she could. She arrived two hours later to find that he had been sitting in the principals office - just sitting. Does that make sense. Does that encourage our kids to respect the importance of our rules and the importance of learning. My grandson went to school one day with grey instead of tan chinos. His mother was called she was at work. Grey was the only clean pair of pants he had, by the way. She said she'd' be there after her meeting. She arrived to find her son sitting in the principals office, had been for several hours). He had just sat there nothing to do. Not even a book to read. Does this make sense? Instead of engaging our students we're enraging them.

The cop in the video *has*

The cop in the video *has* been put in jail -- but not for the incident at Dolton: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-dolton-cop-09-oct09,0,527689.story Wow. Just... wow.

Apparently I'm a bit older

Apparently I'm a bit older than all of you. I graduated in 1982, during my senior year a friend of mine was suspended indefinitely for the length of his hair, a dress code violation. His mother hired a lawyer and challenged the decision and won. Everyone has a right to an education, and that education cannot be denied because of a dress code violation. Our system is completely screwed up and we need to fix it.

To Zbigniew Zancriewicz:

To Zbigniew Zancriewicz: I am not interested in playing Mr. Intellectual Composure and/or Mr. Level Headed Attorney under the circumstance of this hideous video. I also doubt that the genuineness of that video would have gone un-investigated by Mr. Giroux. You are not in a position to examine my "tone" about the fat cop and boy. My description need not be revised and my tone was perfect, perhaps not to your liking (too bad). That cop did not even stop to consider the discrepancy in bodily proportion to that young man he threw against the lockers - before slamming into the floor. I guess all of this passes through your wonderfully skeptical "intelligence" like wind through an open window. What, may I ask, does it get you to FEEL SOMETHING? I re-state my wish for civil disobedience by these students who are obviously bullied and harassed on a daily basis. Wear your shirts out, kids. If you all do it they'd have to close down that boot camp they call a school.You wrote, as though not having seen a single thing in that video: "I thought the youth were there to learn, not protest." I guess you can't see that learning is not really an option in that environment. Given the ineptness of your responses to my post(s), consider yourself lucky I took the time to respond to you.

Why do you think people call

Why do you think people call police "pigs"?

Wow! This really has

Wow! This really has generated some heat! With rage like this being expressed by the 'adult' population its hardly surprising that its acted out in schools by cops and kids.

This is outrageous. A

This is outrageous. A mentally handicapped individual beaten for not tucking in his shirt. Who cares if he called the cop the worst things. He is retarded. And if he wasn't he is 15.

As it turns out, the

As it turns out, the policeman was involved in a 24 shot shooting death, prior to this incident, and is now being held on a charge of rape. With this guy's history he never should have been hired by any police department. To read more, and see a better video of the beating go to: http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/10/dolton-cop-in-beating-case-faces-unrelated-rape-charge.html

really strange

really strange

To: 20:34 Lice-Crust Anyone

To: 20:34 Lice-Crust Anyone may dissect your posts - this is a public forum. Your handling of others seems to be just like the "fat, white cop's" approach - by bullying, only you do it verbally. Emotionalism won't solve anything; instead it will lead to more people "feeling something", and then the shooting and riots start. Enough has come out that I now side with you on the fact that that policeman should not have been there in the first place. He will be dealt with by the system now; no kangaroo courts need apply.

Such passion. Listen, I may

Such passion. Listen, I may be wrong, but it is not because I claim the student was at fault and the officer was innocent, because I clearly did not say that. The officer is unquestionably at fault here, and as one who has been on the wrong end of police brutality, I can appreciate how horrible it is. My issue is rather with how the article's author (and the journalists covering the story) tries to portray the student as utterly blameless. Clearly the student did not deserve to be hit. That said, there is a wider debate in play here: how do we respond to student violence in the schools? Should we have police in the schools? I find that those who say no adopt an antagonistic view of the police, one that this student, judging by his behaviour in the video, seems to share. I believe this view of police is a distortion that arises in part from popular culture and in part from a misconception of the role of government. Government, police and the military (the government's power of coercion) are not shop keepers tested by market principles. They are us, representatives of the citizenry, chosen by election to uphold laws made by us. We may not always like particular laws, but we should always be grateful for the law as such, and hence respect those who uphold it. In the same way, we need not like this particular officer, who has clearly broken the law, but we should demand that our children learn to respect the law and the police. After all, without the police who are you going to call to arrest bullies like the fellow who tackled this student. And with respect to the wider debate, I'd rather have schools with police who are there to uphold the law and the principles of justice that laws are built on than schools ruled by gangs, who are totally unaccountable and far more inclined to unrestrained violence than this officer.