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Most Minnesota Senate "Undervotes" Are From Obama Turf

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A majority of the undervotes in Minnesota are coming from areas won by Obama. (Photo: Getty Images)

    St. Paul, Minnesota - An Associated Press analysis of votes in the tight, still-to-be decided race for a U.S. Senate seat in Minnesota shows that most ballots lacking a recorded choice in the election were cast in counties won by Democrat Barack Obama.

    The finding could have implications for Republican Sen. Norm Coleman and Democrat Al Franken, who are headed for a recount separated by the thinnest of margins - a couple of hundred votes, or about 0.01 percent.

    About 25,000 ballots statewide carried votes for president but not for the Senate race. Although some voters might have intentionally bypassed the race, others might have mismarked their ballot, or optical scanning machines might have misread them.

    A recount due to begin Nov. 19 will use manual inspection to detect such ballots.

    Meanwhile, Coleman is using the state's open records law to ask Minnesota and all 87 counties for access to voting data and other records, questioning gains Franken has made since Election Day.

    Coleman campaign manager Cullen Sheehan complained of "statistically dubious and improbable shifts that are overwhelmingly accruing to the benefit of Al Franken."

    The Coleman campaign cited a 100-vote gain that Franken picked up from Mountain Iron, in St. Louis County, on Thursday night.

    Secretary of State Mark Ritchie said it was unfortunate that the Coleman campaign was questioning the integrity of the election, noting that adjustments are a normal part of the canvassing process.

    Paul Tynjala, St. Louis County's director of elections, said the change in results from Mountain Iron was because of a human call-in error on election night that incorrectly gave Franken 406 votes, instead of 506 votes.

    Three counties - Hennepin, Ramsey and St. Louis, which contain the population centers of Minneapolis, St. Paul and Duluth - account for 10,540 votes in the dropoff between the presidential race and the Senate race. Each saw Obama win with 63 percent or more of the vote.

    Larry Jacobs, a University of Minnesota political science professor, said the AP analysis of the dropoff between the two races creates a "zone of uncertainty" that could become a focal point for the campaigns and election officials - and agreed the numbers favor Franken.

    "These numbers present a roadmap for a Franken challenge," he said. "It suggests there are about 10,000 votes in the largest Democratic counties that are potentially going to tilt in Franken's direction."

    The ballots that showed a presidential vote but no Senate vote are called the "undervote." Statewide, more than 18,000 of those ballots came from counties won by Obama. About 6,100 were in counties won by Republican John McCain.

    Some areas of the state would appear to favor Coleman in a recount based on the dropoff, but most of those were smaller counties where the undervote was in the dozens. The largest of those pro-McCain counties was Anoka, in the suburban Twin Cities, where 1,189 ballots didn't choose a Senate candidate.

    Minnesota ballots are fed into optical scanners, which depend on voters filling in ovals to make their choice.

    Kim Brace, president of the consulting firm Election Data Services Inc., said there's no reason a ballot without a vote for a particular race would be rejected.

    "Usually they're set to kick back to the voter if there is an overvote," said Brace, who has been an expert witness in court cases stemming from disputed elections. "But in most instances they're not set to kick back to the voter if there is an undervote. After all, the public has a right to not vote for somebody for a particular office."

    Recount teams will look for whether stray or light marks on ballots signaled a voter's preference.

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    Associated Press writers Frederic J. Frommer in Washington and Martiga Lohn in St. Paul contributed to this report.

  

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Hmmm - it occurs to me that,

Hmmm - it occurs to me that, if I were to want to slant an election, I might just arrange for the ballots to be marked with pencils/pens known to produce a poor reading-value on the machines... The presidential issue was likely passionate enough to make folks mark their choice heavily... Once done, they might just only mark the rest of the choices normally, resulting in high undervote. Of course, those pencils would only go to areas known to favor my opponents... Anyone going to check the poll-captains for markers taken home?

Yes, I voted just as the

Yes, I voted just as the previous commenter described- I marked the ballot oval space as heavy as possible because I was concerned that the pencil given was not indelible.It was in fact made of common soft graphite. I marked only the space for President Obama with what I felt would be hardest coverage to modify. My district is heavily Republlican, and though I have no evidence to distrust those incharge of my particular polling place,I thought how sad it is that as Americans we now have good reason to fear the loss of this our most important right. After voting, I used my ATM safely and securely and wondered why this common technology cannot be modified for voting without fear of loss.

This race was obviously

This race was obviously tampered with by Republican operatives, who just never stop trying to modify election results with one sort of scheme or another. You can't blame them, really, since they'd win so very few elections without cheating. Entire states like Georgia and Alabama continue to exist within the fierce grip of cheating Republican operatives and their conveniently hackable electronic voting machines. Look what happened to Florida once the machines were tossed - suddenly a state with a majority of Democrats. It's time for a FEDERAL bill to be passed banning electronic machines and returning to paper ballots and a manual counting of them. The Chambliss race is still another product of the Republican cheating-machine. You'd find his opponent winning by about 8-10 per cent if each ballot was on paper and hand counted.

I don't think that anyone

I don't think that anyone prominent, Democrat or Republican, is denying that many new voters registered for the first time and simply wanted to vote for Obama. Some thousands of these new voters may very well have not cared about other races and left the items blank. Personally, I think Mr. Franken compares very well with Sarah Palin. Both are unqualified, both tend to be glib and jejeune, and both are irritating. There is speculation that Gov. Palin may take Sen Hastert's seat. If so, it would be great if both would-be Senators could stay in their respective states, "pair up" on every vote, and spare the rest of us from seeing or hearing of them in Washington.

Thousands of first time

Thousands of first time voters may very well have registered just to vote for Obama and didn't care about other races, so they left those items blank. Personally, I think Mr. Franken compares very well with Sarah Palin. Both have thin resumes, both are often more glib than intelligent, and both can be irritating. If Mr. Franken wins, and Gov. Palin takes Sen. Hastert's seat, as some people speculate, I sincerely hope that both will choose to remain at home in their respective states, "pair up" on every vote, and spare the rest of us from seeing or hearing of them in Washington.

How so like Sherlock Holmes!

How so like Sherlock Holmes! Dick Shorter (Sat, 11/08/2008 - 18:15 ) you make an interesting point of conjecture. It would be interesting to hear how much of an undervote there was for some of the various other lesser positions in those key precincts! Meanwhile, that exactly 100-vote discrepancy was credited in an earlier news story to an admission by a fatigued polling place worker who admitted he'd left a digit 1 from in front of the 24 when he called in the Franken total to the next tabulation level. So they wrote down 24 instead of 124 the first time around. This was not a correction due to a counting procedure that conveniently came out to an even 100.

I voted Obama in Minnesota

I voted Obama in Minnesota but not Franken. Franken is not liked by many in Minnesota including myself. When I learned he wrote pornography for pay I decided not to vote for him. 362,000 Minnesota voters voted Obama and not Franken. 58% of Minnesota voters did not vote Franken. Franken was a very poor choice to run and Minnesota voters rejected him. Even if he wins by a small margin in a recount the 58% of voters who didn't vote Franken will not change their minds on his behavior of likeability

"I voted Obama in Minnesota

"I voted Obama in Minnesota but not Franken. Franken is not liked by many in Minnesota including myself. When I learned he wrote pornography for pay I decided not to vote for him. " Well that's just wonderful. The Coleman campaign will be pleased to know that you swallowed their BS, hook, line, and sinker. There's an adult magazine called Playboy. Many renowned writers have had their work published in it. It's not intended to be read by people who are easily offended. And most people are aware of that. "Pornography" is not an accurate description of it. If you don't like what's published in Playboy magazine, then don't buy it. And if some Republican wants to stick a copy of Playboy in your face and make you read it, tell him or her to take a hike. Now tell me, are you prepared to see Coleman win the election only to resign in disgrace when the facts come out into the open with the lawsuit in Texas? Is that what it's going to take for you to realize that he's a lying, corrupt little jerk?

Considering that Franken was

Considering that Franken was ignored by the Democratic Party machine & Coleman was aggressively supported by the Republicans, it is surprising that it is this close and not surprising that there was an under vote for him. On the other hand, given the Republicans national strategy of voter suppression and along with national trends- Obama voters followed party ticket lines in other areas and that there was a national tendency to see Democrat votes as the vote for change- there is reasonable suspicion. Let's see how the proverbial chads hang in the end. History favors Franken, seems that the Democrats nationally have much more trouble getting their votes counted.

the "undervote' in this case

the "undervote' in this case sounds a lot like what happened in the Oregon Primary, which is not "open"; in other words the ballot you get in the mail (Oregon is Vote-by-mail) is determined by what party affiliation you registered under. In the Oregon primary this year, there were about 60,000 ballots statewide,counted, on which the ballots were marked ONLY for President, completely ignoring all other elected offices, measures and initiatives. The State elections office stated that close to 3/4 of these ballots were from first time voters. This might be an indication of uneducated voters who don't realize the relative division of powers between the Executive branch and Congress, or who may not even be aware of the structure of government in the United States , and who therfore don't understand the need to vote for everyone , and everything,on the ballot reflective of the voter's own point of view on the issues.

To quote a previous well

To quote a previous well informed commenter: "Personally, I think Mr. Franken compares very well with Sarah Palin. Both have thin resumes, both are often more glib than intelligent, and both can be irritating. " I couldn't agree more: Mr. Franken's cum laude Harvard College degree is eerily similar to Sarah Palin's educational experience: From wikipedia: "In 1982, she enrolled at Hawaii Pacific College but left after her first semester. She transferred to North Idaho community college, where she spent two semesters as a general studies major. From there, she transferred to the University of Idaho for two semesters. During this time Palin won the Miss Wasilla Pageant, then finished third in the 1984 Miss Alaska pageant, at which she won a college scholarship and the "Miss Congeniality" award. Afterwards, Palin attended the Matanuska-Susitna community college in Alaska for one term. The next year she returned to the University of Idaho where she spent three semesters completing her Bachelor of Science degree in communications-journalism, graduating in 1987."

The same "well-informed"

The same "well-informed" commentator also notes:"There is speculation that Gov. Palin may take Sen Hastert's seat." Huh? Note: not only did Denny Hastert not represent Alaska, he also was not a senator. If there's so much speculation about this, I have yet another thing to shake my head about, concerning the sad intellectual and informational state of remaining Republican stalwarts....