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"Drop Dead" Is Not an Option

by: Bob Herbert  |  The New York Times

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    The famous Daily News headline, "Ford to City: Drop Dead," ran on Oct. 30, 1975.

    New York was on the verge of bankruptcy, and President Ford (who never actually said "drop dead") had made it clear, after listening to conservative hard-liners both inside and outside of his administration, that he planned to veto any federal rescue plan.

    It was yet another case of the worshippers of abstract economic notions (let the markets run their infallible courses) ignoring the potential consequences of their smug certainties.

    Felix Rohatyn, the financier who played such a large role in the city's economic recovery, has told me many times of the economic summit near Paris in November 1975 in which President ValΓ©ry Giscard d'Estaing of France and Chancellor Helmut Schmidt of West Germany explained to Mr. Ford that allowing New York to go bankrupt might well light the fuse to an international financial crisis and would foster the idea that America itself was no longer creditworthy.

    Mr. Ford was persuaded that the cascading effects of a bankruptcy were potentially catastrophic and could not be risked. He relented. Loan guarantees were made; the city went through the long ordeal of getting its financial house in order; the loans were repaid; and New York not only recovered but thrived.

    The city's fiscal crisis of the 1970s was in no way comparable in scale to the myriad crises facing the country right now. But it's still instructive. The ideological hard-liners have now cast their collectively jaundiced eye on Detroit's automakers. Their response to the very real danger that General Motors might crumble into bankruptcy is: C'est la vie.

    Unlike President Ford, Senator Richard Shelby, a Republican of Alabama - to cite just one example - is not troubled by thoughts of cascading effects, such as the toll of domino-like business failures and swelling unemployment moving like a toxic virus through an economy that is already ill.

    "The financial situation facing the Big Three is not a national problem, but their own problem," he said.

    Whoa!

    I can agree that it's impossible to make a positive case for the backward, self-destructive practices of the auto industry over many years. (Just as it was difficult to defend the practices that led to New York's fiscal crisis.) But in the current environment, allowing one or more of the Big Three to go bankrupt would be like offering up your nose to Sweeney Todd to spite your face.

    It's not just General Motors or Chrysler or Ford. The U.S. auto industry is the cornerstone of American manufacturing. It supports millions of jobs, directly or indirectly, in a vast array of businesses.

    Start with the thousands of parts in each vehicle. They are produced by suppliers across the country, from one coast to the other. Those supplies have to be manufactured, packaged and transported. Truck drivers, railway systems and shipping companies are involved.

    And, of course, there are dealers everywhere. And the auto repair industry. And the insurance industry. And vast systems of advertising supporting every kind of job you can imagine, from messengers to accountants to filmmakers and beyond. All of that advertising funnels absolutely crucial revenues to television, magazines, newspapers - you name it.

    If G.M., which is on life support, or Ford or Chrysler were to go bankrupt, the reverberations would kill the jobs of entire armies of American workers. It would undermine the standard of living of hundreds of thousands of families and shutter the entrances of untold numbers of small and intermediate businesses.

    Senator Shelby might want to do some homework before embarrassing himself again with the absurd comment that the crisis facing the Big Three is not a national problem.

    Gov. Jennifer Granholm of Michigan, a state that is already writhing in pain from the auto industry's troubles, would tell Mr. Shelby that the industry "supports 1 in every 10 jobs in the country."

    It's easy to demonize the American auto industry. It has behaved with the foresight of a crack addict for years. But even when people set their own houses on fire, we still dial 9-1-1, hoping to save lives, salvage what we can and protect the rest of the neighborhood.

    This whole matter needs some intensive thought. At the moment, Washington has tremendous leverage over the failing auto industry. The government should craft a rescue plan that is both tough and very, very smart. That means dragging the industry (kicking and screaming, no doubt) into the 21st century by insisting on ironclad commitments to design and develop vehicles that make sense economically and that serve the nation's long-term energy security requirements.

    What I would like to see is creative thinking on both ends of the bargain. Let the smartest minds design a bailout that sparks a creative revolution in the industry. Think of it as project synergy.

    

  

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Well, I am no fan of

Well, I am no fan of corporate welfare. Especially after this election and the compounding Financial Crisis at the same time watching various US industries go abroad for their labor needs to satisfy the stock holders. More and more the Libertarians, Neo-liberals and Modern Liberals justify more and more to go to the corporations and less to go to the people. Are we saving jobs or are we saving companies only to sell products which consumer/tax-payers in the end pay for twice. First through the bailouts and then when they go and buy a product, in this case a car. Any time a regular citizen goes wrong with a payment or has problem with credit the car companies, the insurance and banks are not slow about going after them with no sign of sympathy. But once they go down the tubes they scare the public in giving them more and more money. Hmmm. Can we really make sure that our government will place appropriate and strong restrictions and regulations on the car manufacturers so that they produce more environmentally friendly cars that get at least 50 miles per gallon or even re-develop and market an electric car which will not be killed? I am a skeptic. I say we have a problem when one of the major political parties, during an election, says that spending tax money on social welfare and other programs such as education and health care is "one step closer to socialism/communism" and not even the other party makes any objection corporate welfare. You make a argument, but assuming the government will make the car industry accountable and be accountable themselves is dubious, just look at the money being used to bailout the banks and AIG etc...

Let them sink. The US is

Let them sink. The US is pouring billions into bailing out crooks while honest, working people can't pay their mortgages. Now the car companies want billions more because they refused -- utterly refused -- to see the writing on the wall. And while refusing, actively lobbied against any and all efforts to improve mileage and reduce carbon emissions. The melting polar ice caps represents the receding future of your children. Thank the car companies that now want your tax dollars -- your tax dollars because all the tax cuts have benefited the shareholders and executives at the big three. Let the greedy oil companies bail them out. No more dollars for pigs! Turn them into bacon.

There's a reason I bought a

There's a reason I bought a Toyota Prius: good gasoline mileage and the car doesn't waste gas at red lights! So, the American auto industry has had plenty of time, and actually thirty-five years, to stop selling gas-guzzlers at the behest of Texaco/Chevron, Mobil/Exxon, and Conoco/Phillips, and make cars that don't pollute and run on either alternative fuel, electricity, or hybrids. Instead they shoved SUVs down America's throat, and with a president that in eight years never put the words public and transportation together in a sentence, there was no encouragement from political leaders to make autos like a Prius. Consider that GM made electric cars for a short time about eight or ten years ago, leased them to people in the LA area, and after five years took them back and then crushed them! Talk about a wrong business model! So what to do? Give them the money with one stipulation: retool and start making only electric cars and hybrids! Oh, one other thing: Medicare for all, and stop the war and occupation of both Iraq and Afghanistan, as that money could be our national health care money, and big companies like GM and Ford wouldn't have to pay for employees health costs!

Every living system has its

Every living system has its run, birthing, growing, leveling off and dying. I think we should be willing to honor this, honor change, see how nature adapts to variations in abundance and lack. I think we should be willing to own up to the risks we take and accept losses gracefully and be open to next opportunities. The whole auto industry and all the smaller companies supporting it and being supported by it are resourceful people who are a great diversified resource that can move toward more viable ventures. Yes, there may be down times. Yes, there may be discomforts in adjusting and doing without all the thus far accrued creature comforts. But scaling back to a simpler lifestyle for a while isn't such a horrible thing, is it? Call it an adventure. Call it life going through its ups and downs. Expecting that economic growth should only be ever expanding and increasing is too rigid and expectation, too fear based, too lazy, to falsely entitlement oriented. Let dinosaurs die their natural death, and let us all resurrect toward the present and future opportunities that call out to us. And through the transition, let us support each other best we can to make do, and not grumble about it, but be grateful for life even at bare subsistence levels if that must be for a while. The universe is a grand opportunity for relationships and gratitude which are both abundant at every turn. Remember, Jesus didn't have health insurance, or company benefits or a retirement plan. He didn't even own a house, but went forward seeking and expressing his truths and sharing his gifts even as others shared their gifts with him. He lived. He enjoyed life. He didn't fret material loss. He was poised and centered through the tumult, trusting God within and without.

Neo-con thinking insists on

Neo-con thinking insists on a boundary between corporate interests and the interests of the general public. Corporate welfare is fine: welfare to working people is bad because somehow having money corrupts ordinary people. Yet back in the 1920s Henry Ford knew enough to say that he needed to pay his workers enough so they could buy a Ford. Now we're beginning to re-learn that lesson: if the working public is working harder and producing more for a lowering standard of living then eventually it's going to max out its credit and the whole system's going to crash--as it has, though it will probably crash further before it gets any better. The problem is that for the next few months we'll still have a neo-con goveernment which means that AIG et al. will throw themselves a gigantic party until Obama's inauguration and after that it will kick and scream and use all its propaganda clout to counter all attempts at reform. It's not "socialism" or "Marxism," it's the realization of the inter-dependency of capital and labor.

"More and more the

"More and more the Libertarians, Neo-liberals and Modern Liberals justify more and more to go to the corporations and less to go to the people?" I suggest this statement should more accurately read,"More and more the Bushes, Cheneys and Gramms justify more and more to go to the corporations and less to go to the people." Radical right-wing extremists have brought us to the current economic crisis in the form of consistent policies of deregulation, naked greed, and the absurd thought that the "markets will regulate themselves." Even Alan Greenspan himself has admitted, "I was wrong." The spin doctors also try to blame the "democratic" Congress for this mess when even the most uninformed realize that 60 votes are needed in the Senate to break a Republican filibuster and change disastrous policies. In reality, the auto industry cannot be allowed to go bankrupt. However, one precondition to any fiscal rescue package should require the immediate termination of GM's senior management. After all, they are directly responsible for running this company into the ground via years of mismanagement.

People aren't buying enough

People aren't buying enough of their cars. How is bailout money going to change that?

I'd have a lot more respect

I'd have a lot more respect for the author of this article if there had been any talk of the PEOPLE who have been out of work for years, the hundreds of thousands laid off and downsized in the reckless pursuit of every higher profit margins and the rest. -- I don't get it. Detroit which has been wearing blinders for decades and has been playing catch up for almost that long is to be forgiven for its lack of basic economic understanding while the rest of us, with no power, no war chest and no friends on Capitol Hill are informed over and over that our failure to find work speaks to character defect. -- What a load of unmitigated tripe. -- I've just marked by first YEAR of unemployment following the outsourcing of my job to India. I've been off unemployment for almost a month now, can't pay the rent and have about $50 to my name. -- Help Detroit? Help ME then we'll talk about more bailouts for the wealthy and connected. Otherwise, shut the hell up already.

I hate the auto management &

I hate the auto management & their failed plans, BUT they employ hundreds of thousands of Americans at very good wages & benefits. And these are union workers, many of whom just worked their asses off to elect Obama and a Democratic Congress. A "bailout" must include no more job shifts to Mexico, China, and South Korea - cuts to management salaries & no more stock dividends until the loans are paid back. AND no more industry opposition to improved fuel economy, safety improvements, and alternative fuel requirements.

I hate Prius'! They are the

I hate Prius'! They are the nastiest cars that buzz around. In their bonnet fastidiousness the drivers go fast and dangerous. These cars are really just a fake tin can. Let GM and Ford compete by being forced to come to grips with their lies. If you look past autos to which this bailout supposedly applies you will find GMAC sub prime exposure of $150 billion dollars. Fire that noisome CEO who is but an extension of Bush/Greenspan collusion and let them build the next American fleet of energy efficient cars or else there will be no machine manufacturing base left in the United States. We will loose all autonomy with the rest of the world and sink into a deep depression with no jobs, more foreclosures and higher deficits. Fire all responsible parties to the problem and hire fresh points of views!

Lets end racism now and

Lets end racism now and start importing millions of Chinese workers. They will save America from economic disaster.Domestic consumption alone cannot swallow our gigantic U.S. productive capacity. We are now dependent on only 300 million American customers to buy our products. But it is not enough to meet the demands of industry. That is the reason why large corporations are starting to go bankrupt. Growing foreign competition have made it almost impossible for the The U.S. to increase its exports. We are now dependent on domestic demand to feed our economy. But unless the U.S. imports another 300 million Chinese consumers quickly we are going to have a deep and permanent depression. China has the most productive workforce in the world because of its work ethic. Almost no Chinese-Americans are unemployed. Importing millions of Chinese will add to the quality of our workforce and double domestic demand. But we have to hope that China allows millions of its most valuable assets to come to America.Electra

CARS. The automakers have

CARS. The automakers have been sleeping with the big oil guys and cutting deals. Now, GM has the VOLT up supposedly for availability in 2010. It should not take them that long because they have the science/technology from previous efforts. However, what they are doing is assuring they have revenue producing plug in stations around the US. I'll bet the gas stations are fighting against this because revenue will be too low. And God forbid that the GM would simply get SMART and get a partnership damn fast like yesterday with United Nuclear in Michigan which is poised to sell simple little hydrogen generators to work on any car. GM and FORDs execs/engineers are plain stupid. Or are they just totally enamored with their harlot, the Big Oil corps and can't think beyond their little heads!! They wont read this. The public already has an idea.. but United Nuclear has the real idea and anyone with a lick of sense who could mentor their launch fully into the US economy should do it now. Where are the smart folks with the money? They sure as hell are not in automaker land or they would already be beating a path to the door of hydrogen generators. I guess I wish for a miracle, that ONE CEO in the big auto group had at least a double digit IQ. I dream too much!!

I hate to see more tax

I hate to see more tax generated money go to big corporations but I do not believe in this instance that all the blame should be placed on the upper management of the big three. I find it hard to believe that all three were mismanaged at the same time. If it were one of them then it would be easier to believe that it was a management issue but it is effecting all three at the same time. I think we need to revisit N.F.T.A. (National Fair Trade Agreement) and redefine the words β€œFair Trade” it is only fair to the imports and not the exports from this country. The taxation on our export products is anything but fair in comparison to import taxation. So the solution is for the government to loan or bail out the auto makers and change the governmental policies that allow other countries to flood our market with untaxed products.

What is needed is controlled

What is needed is controlled decline and rebirth. This is done by LENDING the Big Three money in increments; demanding control of their operations for the short-term; closing TEMPORARILY those facilities that make the gas guzzlers (protecting workers with a union agreement that allows the unions to help them financially with assurances of government backing) while the factories are re-tooled to make the gas/hybrid/alternative vehicles; keep OPEN those divisions that are already making these hybrid vehicles, but insist on greater efficiencies in manufacturing (s0 that suppliers can keep open and advertising can work); and finally, fire the management that got them into this mess (or insist that they do what Iaccoca did-$1 per year until they are in the black again) and put in green CEO's who understand the challenges. This will create some disruptions and some economic hard times, but not the total collapse of the industry, and it will preserve jobs, businesses, and supply well into the future. The proper management of a controlled collapse can preserve more than it loses, but only if the government is firm and the industry understands that the alternative is complete destruction. If the industry does not agree, then let them face the public in courts of law for their financial irresponsibility and willful negligence in putting the country at risk of economic ruin.

I'd say let them sink,

I'd say let them sink, except for the issue of the jobs lost. But I hate the bailout idea - that's protectionism, and a free handout benefits nobody. So make it a loan - a loan with some very strict terms - like CEO and Board of Directors' TOTAL compensations not to exceed five times that of the lowest-paid worker on the floor, and the money to go towards retooling and retraining for energy-efficient cars. The wage section needs to go hand-in-hand with a livable minimum wage floor. Further terms necessary, I'm trying to keep it brief. If they abide by those terms, then payments could have a 20-30 year deferment (not to extend past 2040), and a modest interest rate when they start, but as incentive to keep them honest and use the money properly, if the terms are broken the loans come due immediately at a 30% interest rate. I think it's a solution that will help to a) keep the workers employed, b) further Obama's goal of retooling the auto industry for green jobs and c) raising the living wage around the country that is killing everyone. Because *that's* why everyone is hurting - not because they can't get credit, but because the have no disposable income.

Very well said, tight

Very well said, tight government regulations are our best hope to save the American automobile industry, American worker jobs and force the auto-industry in this Nation into utilizing technology that will put us on an even playing field with other countries. Only through strict government regulations will we finally see technological advances, reduce our impact on the environment and remove the need to go to war for oil. I would go one step further though. We must reinstate appropriate tariffs on imported cars to make the American auto industry competitive again.

The big three have made

The big three have made themselves obsolete. The reason they make gas guzzlers is to keep these giant dinosaurs alive, and that is not free market capitalism, it's subsidization of an industry of the past. The big three are unsustainable because no one wants their guzzlers any more. Saturn was supposed to be this new modern car company, but it only produced gas guzzlers and clunkers. They need to go bankrupt and change management and produce cars and trucks that don't endanger national security. Maybe they should go into the windmill business.

drop dead IS the only

drop dead IS the only option. let a new world be born!!!

Too big to fail is the basic

Too big to fail is the basic argument here, again, isn't it? Too incompetently managed and too greedy to succeed means the taxpayers should foot the bill so said taxpayers can keep working to pay for said bailout? About, what, $600 per family to save badly run auto producers who deliver crappy products? IOW, we just sign those "stimulus" checks over to the big three and get back to work? And all this makes sense how again?

Many, many years ago, before

Many, many years ago, before Medicare, before Medicaid, welfare, and all the hand-out programs, when most people offered service in direct proportion to their pay, we went through a lot of autoworker strikes against the big automakers. At that time you rarely saw a foreign car on our roads. My father (who worked long hours to earn a living for our family) said, "If those autoworkers don't watch out, they are going to price American-made cars out of business. There will come a day when the American public will find a way to import foreign cars, and the American auto industry will collapse." Well, the autoworkers continued striking and got higher wages. Foreign automakers identified the shortcomings of the American auto industry, and built dependable cars which out-ranked those made in America. I grew up in a Ford-driving family. BUT ten years ago I discovered the superior attributes of Toyota cars and trucks. Toyota offers mileage and dependability you just do not get in American-made vehicles today. There are various opinions as to why this is the case, but the numbers stand as proof that Toyota and other foreign made vehicles offer what a great number of Americans want in a car or truck. I hate to see the collapse of our auto industry, but it appears to me that greed and lack of foresight on the part of the workers AND management have brought us to this perilous point. Can we gain wisdom from this? I just don't know. I hate to view this in a negative light, but it appears to me we are paying the price for our shortcomings and recycling ignorance. Too bad.

Old technology, old economy.

Old technology, old economy. They have resisted every effort to drag them into this century. They have squandered the money they could have spent retooling by fighting against regulation that would have ultimately made them more competitive with the more efficient vehicles being built by their competitors. They have outsourced manufacturing and assembly jobs, to the detriment of our workers. Let 'em die. Good riddance to them.

I think we can say the same

I think we can say the same to the government, who is always looking for a bailout with tax payer's money. They allowed/created their own problems, too. If there is any bailouts, they should be by the same system that working folks have to adhere to. Collateral is what banks want when we apply for a loan. This system should apply to everyone and business alike. If they don't have tangible collateral, no loan/bailout. Why do we continue to support crap in this country?

Let them sink and we all

Let them sink and we all sink with them. We bailed out the fat cats in suits. Now it's time to bail out the workers. But get control. See the comments from Sun, 11/16/2008 - 17:30 β€” Devon Noll, MPA. Let them pay us back. No industry, no pay back. Already retail is plunging. Watch this roll through the country if we don't keep people working. Think your job is safe because you're not in Detroit? Think again.

During WWII the auto

During WWII the auto companies rapidly retooled to build airplanes and tanks. They were urged to develop fuel efficient cars long ago, and Toyota and Honda beat them to the punch by more than a decade. The big 3 auto companies have offered bigger and more luxurious gas guzzlers at a time when they knew what they were doing was immoral, from the standpoint of global warming and dependence upon foreign oil. They do not deserve any handouts. Look at their back yard-- the City of Detroit! It is a most horrifying sight, having the appearance of a neutron bomb blast. Not a human anywhere for blocks and blocks, and abandoned buildings and wrecks everywhere. A poverty rate that rivals all. But, to go back a bit to history again: recall that it was the auto companies and the oil interests that systematically purchased and dismantled the rapid transit systems in cities large and small all around the nation. Again, immoral at best. And we have paid with our isolation into separated dwellings, atomized and alone, dependent upon our gas gulping machines to perform the simplest task of daily living. Our society owes only heartache and alienation to the car companies; that is what they have dealt to us.

Richard Shelby WANTS the

Richard Shelby WANTS the economy to tank. If the economy went belly up then he and his fellow conservatives would be able to finally change the subject, from their failed policies to trying to rouse up the rabble in a mad-max like world of good versus evil where everything is black and white and the good guys are obviously the good guys and the bad guys are obviously bad; a world where a guy like Richard Shelby could flourish, a world post-catastrophe.

"Wealth unaccompanied by

"Wealth unaccompanied by virtue is never an innocuous neighbor". Sappho If we do not change the direction we're going, we will wind up where we're headed. Chinese proverb My concern is for the workers-who aren't included in this largess. The people who made buggy whips had to get new jobs. Fortunately, Henry Ford understood enlightened self interest. We can watch right now how "bailout" money is being used in the financial markets. Hello? Is there anybody in there? "We do not inherit from our ancestors, we borrow from our children". First Nations proverb. The best European Americans like me can boast is George Washington's wise pronouncement, "The United States is in no sense founded on the Christian doctrine". article 11 Treaty of Tripoli passed by congress.

Back in the Fifties, my

Back in the Fifties, my father opened a Volkswagen dealership in Pasadena, California. By the end of 1953, his first year in business, he had sold so many VWs that he had the cash to buy a large commercial lot on the outskirts of downtown, erect a modern dealership building and buy us a house. His waiting list for a new cars was six months - customers waited half a year to take delivery! By the end of the 1956 business year, the dealership with over 30 employees was debt free, although he had begun with no capital except a loan from family members of $20.000. That was the year Detroit automakers revised their "Buy American" ad campaign that had called imports "death traps" and their buyers "anti-American" to include "small" US-made cars, which immediately grew longer, wider, more powerful with each model year. It's been almost sixty years, and they are still the same stupid sons of bitches they were then. Go ahead and bail them out. It wont last.

Don't forget - without the

Don't forget - without the union money & the union volunteers, Obama might not have been elected. I live in a still union county of PA and Obama won here - the first Democrat since LBJ - and our unions had phone banks & door-to-door volunteers out there during the entire fall campaign. They made a difference in a key state for Obama. Without unions & union jobs, much of the grunt work will be done by whom?

Sometimes it takes a

Sometimes it takes a different kind of a thinker to possibly have a solution. Neil Young, yes the rock musician, wrote and article that makes some great points. Below is the link. http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/reverb/2008/11/neil_young_offers_advice_to_au.php

Many jobs could be retained

Many jobs could be retained to produce parts for the already designed, developed and functional electric car and the Smart Car, both "disappeared" by the American auto industry in its determination to resist the needs of the planet. With the well-deserved financial crisis now being claimed by the industry, we have the ability to retool to accommodate the development and production of several very efficient vehicles that would now be on the market if anyone had been willing to mass produce them. It's all good. Let the management fold. Keep the workers working on something worthwhile.

Can not beleive that the

Can not beleive that the auto industries are so dense that they are doom to failure no more bail outs,it is time to try something new give our.younger generation achance fresh blood is needed to build new economical cars let the old Dynosaurs go back to the ice age and die. I refuse to waste my grandchildren and great grandchildrens moneys in these so called bailoutsI Say Noo.

There's an assumption, made

There's an assumption, made by Herbert, that we scorched-Earthers don't understand that the failure of the big three will mean a widespread economic catastrophe. He's wrong. We do. The point here is that we should cut the auto industry loose on principle, and damn the consequences. The auto industry has been bailed out before, and still they are at a precipice. Only bankruptcy will fix their ailments.

To Mr. Herbert - You should

To Mr. Herbert - You should do your homework and check to see where most of the "parts" in American autos come from. It ain't the USA.

If the Reality of 1 in 10

If the Reality of 1 in 10 jobs depend on the survival of our American Auto Industry isn't compelling, then those in opposition aren't looking at the entire picture. The Dodge bailout wasn't too popular either but they got back on their feet with some help. Deregulation has proven to be a disaster so new rules with tighter oversight is necessary. Quit calling it a Bailout...it must be a prop up loan that is paid back with interest. Also the future cars need to be built with the needs of the country getting off this oil dependency has to be the #1 priority. It's nice that some folks here can afford to go out and buy a new hybrid. Bravo! I could have when I was making a very good living too...before disability. But sometimes life changes and we can't always buy what we want or even need. I cannot and never will be able to buy a new car. My disability is made easier to get around thanks to my Buick Century. Just take a look in the handicap parking spots and you will find this is a very popular car for the disabled. Lay-offs in the millions is not an option, as this will trickle down into all aspects of the economy and it will have a direct affect on everyone. Think back to the major cutbacks of Firestone and John Deere in 1986, which contributed to empty hospital beds. As a nurse I ended up a casualty of the lay-offs too. So many people cannot see how this 'just say no' attitude could severely hurt their financial situation too.

First the management has to

First the management has to go. Second the management has to go, then we can find the people who are willing to produce quality, small, and very fuel efficient or electric cars. The car industry can be a very integral part of a green economy by producing for example wind mills. Any rescue should involve a substantial equity stake and stock options. Bond holders should take a hit also trough a debt restructure.

The Phoenix cannot rise from

The Phoenix cannot rise from its own ashes until it has first been utterly destroyed. We cannot read the next page until we turn the present page. The old must make way for the new. We either adapt or we die. The demises of ill-performing businesses is key to global competitiveness. The deaths of these businesses cannot be bypassed or prevented, and delaying them can only make things worse. Yes, death is painful, but it makes the future possible. We should be investing in that future; it is unwise to spend our resources in preserving the systems and institutions of the past. On the other hand, maybe the Phoenix, here, is America itself, and these ill-considered impulses to preserve the old are part of the dying process of obsolete American economic institutions. It's all a question of how much destruction of the old is needed before the new can be born, and of how long and painful the destruction process will be. These bailouts only prolong the death agony of the old economy and delay the birth of the new.

The GOP sees this as an

The GOP sees this as an opportunity to bust up the unions. That's all.

ROSE: Any idea why the

ROSE: Any idea why the Japanese and European auto companies aren't in the cesspool with the (formerly) Big Three? It ain't the unions: European makers must deal with much stronger unions than the UAW ever was even in its wildest dreams. The Japanese pre-empt unions by paying well, providing real grievance procedures and job security, and including workers in decision making, as many US small businesses used to do. One reason is that both listen respectfully to what the workers from engineers and designers on down to the folks on the line have to say and reward them for their useful suggestions. Another is that the top execs earn about 50 instead of 500 times what the line workers do, so they have fewer delusions about their omnipotence and invulnerability. Another is that they never suffered under the illusion of the endless frontier that would prevent crowding. Another is that they welcomed new ways of doing things and new technology instead of burying innovation along with their competitors. People are amazed at the 500 page book of UAW work rules, but how about the 100,000 pages of memos about how to get around them and the 1 page about how to benefit from them barely completed before the author was fired? No, it was management, management, management. Fire the suckers, confiscate their stock and options, give it to workers from engineers and designers down along with a healthy loan. In a couple years, you could be back in a Ford, albeit a smaller eco-friendly one built by folks who could afford to buy one themselves.

In 1988, I pulled the fan

In 1988, I pulled the fan controller out of a buick that had failed to save my brother some money. I yanked the primary component, a transistor, out of it and looked up the specs. Then noticed the surge current (when turned on) of the fan's electric motor. The transistor was not spec'd to handle the surge current though it was okay for continuous current. I replaced it with $1.75 replacement that handled 10 times the surge current of the electric motor. No engineer did a design that was so poor and elementary, I can only determine the auto maker wanted failures to keep their replacement parts business 'going strong'. In the volumes they buy these parts, the cost is minimal, it cost me $1.75 for 1. For them it was much less. The replacement motor controller from the dealer was $300. Managment at these companies is totally corrupt and short sighted. I have felt for years that they wanted to fail all along, they have succeeded wildly.

America's financial house is

America's financial house is in order, according to the discreditable Keynesian statist model, when public funds are used to bolster national industries, allowing the corporations to profit by the use of the people's money. And while ultimate control is kept within the hands of the bankers deciding interest rates and money supply, there will (they tell us) be enough crumbs to sate we lower orders. That there is plenty of wealth is understood. The question of how to use it must not be allowed to become a matter of public debate. That's Democratic rule, and sends the wrong message. The Statists would prefer to maintain the current system of socialism for the rich, convinced, (mostly because their salaries depend upon it) that this is the only method which can be allowed, the Trickle-Down method. They press their own logic, allowing no other alternatives. But the undiscussed alternatives exist. They simply involve a more democratic solution, and while socialism for the corporates they deem fair, spending the peoples' money on programs of social uplift would invite the public into the realm of decisions about the way in which money is spent. That would set a very bad precedent for the people to actually become involved in the REAL decisions...Decisions about how their money is spent on them, instead of on and within the private (secretive) tyrannies called Corporations. Have we so lost our spirit of independence that we now lay our lives, fate and earnings into the hands of private capital tyrannies? That we do not trust that with all the work that needs to be done to better this country of ours, that we cannot find ways to spend it other than propping up failing industries? Are they to be trusted NOW to do the right thing, or is past performance any indication of future results? Why are Americans falling over themselves to support the already wealthy for the jobs they probably won't create in the US? Government is not a business, and needs not be run like one, folks. Decisions about where and how those tax dollars are spent are democracy's most important decisions, and those least likely to be democratically decided. Free men are not wage slaves.

The fairy tale that free

The fairy tale that free market and unregulated capitalism are the same is a myth. Some day we may accept that as fact and then begin the pro- cess of living in a healthy world of reason and truth !

JPOVEREEDS: Exceptionally

JPOVEREEDS: Exceptionally well-expressed explanation of what has happened to create the downfall of the Big Three! TO needs to feature your comment as a article in itself! Bailouts, higher tariffs and govt regulations are not the answer! You have said it all and our Congressmen need to listen! I applaud your eloquence!

After years of going on a

After years of going on a mindless spree big spenders are waking up to the fact that they are broke. So are those that supplied the credit. All the kings horses and all the kings men cannot pick them up again. That is the story of the busted global economy. A new world order has to be established where there is a balance between production and consumption. until that happens we will be mired down in a never ending depression

The industry will receive

The industry will receive bridge loans. My main objection is that the company heads who made unjustifiable profits running these companies, aren't required to contribute a lot of "their" money to solve a problem that they helped create. The situation devolves into taxpayers subsidizing past managements' profits, if the companies fail. As expected, most GOP leaders would rather whine about the UAW, instead of talking about the money at the top.

It's time for a great

It's time for a great realignment in American industry. During WWII the auto industry retooled and built only military hardware. They didn't disappear or go broke, they did respond and cooperate to meet a national emergency. We're in another, different type of emergency. We don't need another single new vehicle on our roads. There are nearly as many vehicles in the US as there are people. The auto industry uses vast amounts of energy, water and other resources--all of which are dwindling--just to keep churning out vehicles. The carbon dioxide they spew into the atmosphere is already having dire effects on climate and poses an existential threat to humankind. It's time to force these manufacturing giants to build what we really need to survive. We need hybrid vehicles, electric vehicles and mass transit. We need to scale up these efforts NOW. I'm OK with a bailout if certain changes are mandated. No more luxury SUVS and giant pickups. Convert one of the Big Three over to manufacture light rail and inter-city rail transit. Convert another one to recycle all vehicles-- either refurbish with the latest technology or dismantle and recycle all components. Look at how long Cubans have kept 50-year-old vehicles running. Now imagine what a modern high-tech industrial nation such as the US could do to maintain existing vehicles. These are drastic changes to our manufacturing base but it's been done before. Also, the economy will flourish as we pioneer new technologies and save resources at the same time. It requires imagination, something that's been in very short supply for way too long. --JR

Great work Bob. Basic

Great work Bob. Basic economics 101. 5% of American workforce unemployed is no way to save a country from a recession. This bailout is more necessary than the billionaire club 700 billion Christmas bonus check from Bush to his BFFs! We need more jobs that give middle class revenues, a more eco friendly, eco-responsible economy and more efficient and clean cars. If we do this right, we could kill many bird with one stone and preserve the country from the worst. But, yes, sack the auto execs. Let them retire with their inevitable golden parachutes to some Bora Bora island. And then tax them as they should.