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Putting a Face on Big Auto

by: Bob Herbert  |  Visit article original @ The New York Times

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Former restaurant worker and Detroit resident Richard Thomas, who depends on odd jobs for a living, is hoping hard for a bailout. Many workers who aren't directly connected with the auto industry would still be devastated by its downfall. (Carlos Osorio / AP)

    If we were interested in making the best possible decisions with regard to the U.S. auto industry, someone like Rich Breen would be seen as the face of the industry, not the chief executives of General Motors, Ford and Chrysler.

    Mr. Breen is a 55-year-old member of the Teamsters union, a car hauler who delivers new vehicles for the Big Three automakers. He lives in Clinton Township, a suburb of Detroit, and he is horrified by the steady erosion of the American standard of living that he sees each day as he makes his rounds.

    "I see the tool and die industry dying in the light industrial areas," he told me in an interview just before Thanksgiving. "I see the clientele decreasing in the local barbershops, the hardware stores and the restaurants. That's all happening from the first phase of the downsizing in the auto industry, the cutbacks and layoffs that have already occurred. It's not from the current crisis.

    "The community around me is deteriorating before my eyes. I hear people saying if G.M., Ford or Chrysler shuts down it wouldn't affect them. They have no idea. It would have a domino effect that we've never had before in the United States.

    "The bottom would fall out and the ripple effects would go all over the country."

    The bottom is already falling out. The question for Congress and the incoming Obama administration is whether to risk allowing the industry to collapse completely. The number of people working for the Big Three automakers has already been cut drastically, perhaps in half since 2000, and more cuts are to come, even with a government rescue effort.

    The United Automobile Workers agreed to extraordinary contract concessions in negotiations that took place in 2005 and 2007. Not only will there be no raises for the four-year life of the most recent contract, but the starting pay for new hires at the Big Three has been cut by 50 percent - to $14 to $16 an hour. Benefits have also been slashed.

    "Ripple effect" is too mild a term for the impact that a bankruptcy among the Big Three would have on other manufacturers, suppliers, dealers, insurance companies and thousands of businesses that at first glance would not seem to be related to the auto industry. The industry supports, in one way or another, one in every 10 jobs in the nation.

    A bankruptcy would be like a hurricane blowing through the U.S. economy.

    Those winds are already taking a fierce toll. Darin Gilley is a 45-year-old father of two young girls who lives in Pacific, Mo., about 30 miles southwest of St. Louis. He worked in a plant that made seats for Chrysler vehicles until he was laid off at the end of October. He's also president of a U.A.W. local that represents employees in a plant that makes dashboards for Chrysler.

    Both plants are closing.

    "You can't let this industry go down," Mr. Gilley said. "It would be catastrophic. I'll tell you an interesting fact: auto parts supply is the number one industrial employer in seven states, including Missouri. And it's a top five employer in 12 other states."

    The auto industry is embedded in the very heart and soul of the United States, a nation in which people travel by car with the natural ease of birds flying. Think of service stations, body shops, tire distributorships, car washes....

    Some analysts have suggested that even if the Big Three were to disappear, the foreign carmakers would fill the vacuum, as if the cornerstone of American manufacturing - and everything it has meant and still could mean to American life and culture - were somehow disposable, like a worn-out paper bag.

    Get real.

    Mr. Gilley mentioned a number of close friends and associates who have already succumbed to the crisis. "This one fellow and his wife lost their house," he said. "It was foreclosed on. They had to send back their truck. And they've got two kids, younger than mine. The kids don't stop growing just because you've lost your job."

    Mr. Breen, the car hauler, told me about an aunt, Lee Jones, who was the owner of Diversified Industries, a company that painted grille assemblies for the Big Three.

    "It employed about 75 people on the day and night shift," he said. "She got caught in the industry's downsizing within the last year and a half and had to close her doors. So the jobs in her shop are just gone."

    The auto industry problem is an enormous one, with implications for every American. We can rescue and reshape the industry in a way that makes sense, economically and otherwise. Or we can close our eyes to reality, as we have so many times in recent years, and suffer the inevitable devastating consequences.

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Any bailout has to come with

Any bailout has to come with a payout to us the American people and the American worker. The auto industry has to make better and more modern cars and use its persuasive advertising to promote safety and fuel efficiency. Quit fighting fuel standards and emission standards and let us buy the fuel efficient cars they already make and sell in other countries.

Why is it that people are so

Why is it that people are so much tougher on the auto industry than AIG & the investment bankers? How many trillions have already been used (to little purpose) for them--and with absolutely no negative consequences to their CEOs, etc., who had a big hand in creating this huge huge mess, yet we say, should we let the big 3 die? It seems to me, we'd be better off reorganizing the auto industry while letting Citibank, AIG, Goldman Sachs & other fail --or at the very least, firing their CEOs and breaking them up so that they're no longer "too big to fail." But of course, no mention of that, those measures would be too sensible and might hurt the very wealthy/ruling class of the US

The auto makers are being

The auto makers are being harshly dealt with because they deserve it; for years, if not decades, American have been demanding safer cars which can last as long as foreign cars, and for improved gas mileage. No matter what, the auto makers have stubbornly and stupidly refused to see the light, and they have failed to deliver the cars we want to buy! So now that the tables are turned, we the people have every right to tell the car companies to shape up and give us the quality we deserve. Otherwise, they will just waste the bailout money and fail to turn around their failing industry based on failed decisions that led them into the abyss in the first place! They can't be allowed to wast any 'bailout' in the way that Wall Street bailout has been handled, or else the American people will be made fools again, and again. GET REAL DETROIT!

Yes, it is a huge problem.

Yes, it is a huge problem. So was switching from the horse and buggy to the car... Literally 100's of millions of horses and the attendant jobs disappeared. Talk about being 'put out to pasture!' I, for one, will not buy an American made car for a simple reason- the big three's efforts to kill and circumvent fuel efficiency standards. A close second would be the creation/promotion of the SUV which has destroyed the road experience... Let's not even mention the purposeful destruction of mass transit. It will take vision to move into a better future, but perhaps we can overcome the near mindless tyranny of the car, the way over 50% of our urban landscape devoted to it, the endless death (direct & indirect) and mayhem (do you know anyone over age 10 who has NOT lost a friend, colleague, family member to death by car 'DBC'?) , the wasted time and resources, etc. Do we have the will, the vision? Just asking.

Any bailout has to be

Any bailout has to be attached to a temporary government take over of the industry, for example the government could take a 25% share of common stock as collateral and also receive seats on the board of directors. But even this would have to be just the beginning, for as Joe says "the big three" are guilty for much of what is to blame in the US today. Their neglect of investment in new technologies-batteries for example renders all talk of real alternative cars pipe dreams for the moment. Heck we don't even have the new diesels that old Europeans drive. Instead we have gas guzzling monsters whose popularity waxes and wanes with fuel prices, leaving us at the mercy of oil producers who are then thrust into adversarial positions against us setting the stage for all sorts of policy nightmares. And don't lets get started on what they did to undermine rapid transit. Still that said, we need to sure up our industrial base and soon. If not, we will be sliding into a third world situation with a society of the rich and poor. One of the first logical steps would be to nationalize health care the market be damned, but that's not likely to happen because Obama is more concerned about the people who work in the insurance industry than those people without insurance. He said so in a pre election interview in the Nation last year. Years ago John Kenneth Galbraith said that as the Second World War was ending the US was making good progress on setting up a planned economy, only the 10% boys didn't like it an that was the end of the story.

I am a UAW member. This is

I am a UAW member. This is how it is. You look at a GM truck that was run on salt covered roads for a couple years and the brake lines are about rotted through, the rotors are rusted bad enough to chew up the brakes, and the gas lines are ready to start leaking. The Frames are rusty, and the trans linkage is starting to stick. All this can be avoided very simply with some higher grade components and some coatings. The CEO's who run the company would rather put the money into bonus's, endorsements, and advertising. BMW and Honda make some of the best cars and motorcycles in the world. GM, Ford and Chrysler make none. Why? They sit on their bonus's and let the world pass them by, just as the British did in the 1960s when they built 1930's cars. It was a relief to buy a Honda bike that didn't vibrate apart and had a headlight that would light up the road.Do they know they have a rust problem? Yes, they made better bodies, remember how they rotted out in the 70's huge holes in them? They can fix their problems but they need to fire the blind CEO's that made this mess and hire someone with eyes that see.

Bailout will happen. Has

Bailout will happen. Has to. The spin on the news about the Govt being harsh with them is propaganda, they'll get their money. Just hope we don't end up like Iceland after this crap (economy) really hits home.

During WWII the auto

During WWII the auto companies retooled to make artillery, tanks, jeeps, and airplane engines in less than four years. They had help from the government. They should retool now to convert all trucks to natural gas, make all their cars hybrids, add solar to all the roof tops and hoods, and make windmills.

Any bailout should come with

Any bailout should come with removal of decades of auto industry protections and corporate welfare. These included protectionists tariffs, watered down safety and gas economy standards, and economic incentives to move jobs out of the US . And last but not least, the heavy reliance on the big three for lucrative military contracts with their guaranteed profits. Additionally the oil industry needs the same, as US taxpayers have subsidized cheap gas that makes these 10 MPG monsters usable. The country, and esepcially the GOP need to come to the realization that it was not labor who caused this problem, but poor management. Milton freedman is wrong - the goal of corproations is not to maximuze profit but to be a vehicle for the society in which they opersate. And the big 3 were not in it for America, they were it in for themselves. If 50% of the last 50 years auto advertising budget had been put into better cars as the Japanese and Europeans did, we would not be having this discussion. If 25% of these massive management salaries and bonuses had gone into manufacturing improvements, we would not be having this discussion. And if the big 3 management had not put so much time and energy into fighting change we would not be having this discussion. The biog 3 simply put lipstick on the pig and marketed it as the new improved pig, took the profits and lined their pockets, and then bought government to suppress change that might threaten them.

"Too big to fail" is

"Too big to fail" is hogwash. These cozy bank and auto oligopolies have already failed. Have no doubt that Big Pharma, Big Oil, Big Chemistry, Big Agribusiness, and a host of other Too Big To Fails are rehearsing in the wings for their bailout debuts. As most of the posts here correctly attest, the only move left if we don’t want to give management more money to continue doing what they have done so badly is to radically transform these arrogant obscene behemoths. Many of the suggestions here are helpful. One move I'd add is to cut them into smaller pieces and regulate their size so they or their descendants will never again be in a position to blackmail us for our livelihoods or our grandchildren's for that matter. Corporate charters are granted by the states and can be revoked. Poof! there goes GM and the rest. That bearded 19th century German whose name may not be spoken got it right when he warned us that any unregulated market tends towards monopoly or cozy oligopoly. The excuse for "consolidation" is usually the so-called efficiencies of scale, i.e., fewer people doing more work, i.e., screw those who make the stuff for the sake of those who make the money. If we really are concerned about the autoworkers and the suppliers and the related enterprises, we should stop voracious sociopathic corporations—all of those whose management doesn’t get dirty hands at work—from growing as big as they want to. Then, when they fail, as some inevitably will, so what? PS: ANONYMOUS 1008, despite knowing better I love these machines, especially bikes, as much as you do. Would be nice to see a mass migration to riding instead of driving. Cheaper to run and buy, can’t carry so much crap, safer when there are enough of them, and, yeah, a hell of a lot more fun. But all we got is wannabe ninja and trail bikes and actual monsters. Where to look for sensible 250-750cc models for merely human life? Er, them foreigners, I guess. Sigh.

What a great thing it would

What a great thing it would be if the CEOs put the company first instead of profits. Can you imagine the great bike GM could build. How about a 130 horsepower, sport touring bike that gets over 50 MPG, rides like you are on a cloud, handles like a jet, and is as reliable as Civic. Wait a second, Honda already builds the ST1300, and it does all that, GM's would have to be better. Have you seen Honda stock lately? No where near GM's. Yes, jessepoverseas, you saw where my heart is. If only the car companies would wake up. I do love my old Ford truck, I hope they build them forever, just downsize them, they have got too bulky and what's with all the 6 foot boxes anymore, can't even throw a sheet of plywood in them.

Question: Why is it that

Question: Why is it that people are so much tougher on the auto industry than AIG & the investment bankers? Answer: Because "the little people" might get a dime or two.

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