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Rove's IT Guru Warned of Sabotage Before Fatal Plane Crash; Was Set to Testify

by: Amy Goodman  |  Democracy Now!

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Mike Connell, Karl Rove's chief IT consultant who, was set to testify in a case alleging election tampering in 2004 in Ohio, died in a plane crash last Friday. (Photo: Cleveland Plain Dealer)

Mike Connell, the chief IT consultant to Karl Rove, reportedly asked for protective custody from the government before he died.

    Amy Goodman: A top Republican internet strategist who was set to testify in a case alleging election tampering in 2004 in Ohio has died in a plane crash. Mike Connell was the chief IT consultant to Karl Rove and created websites for the Bush and McCain electoral campaigns. He also set up the official Ohio state election website reporting the 2004 presidential election returns.

    Connell was reportedly an experienced pilot. He died instantly Friday night when his private plane crashed in a residential neighborhood near Akron, Ohio.

    Michael Connell was deposed one day before the election this year by attorneys Cliff Arnebeck and Bob Fitrakis about his actions during the 2004 vote count and his access to Karl Rove's e-mail files and how they went missing.

    Velvet Revolution, a non-profit investigating Connell's activities, revealed this weekend that Connell had recently said he was afraid George Bush and Dick Cheney would "throw [him] under the bus." Cliff Arnebeck had also previously alerted Attorney General Michael Mukasey to alleged threats from Karl Rove to Connell if he refused to "take the fall."

    Well, Mark Crispin Miller joins us now, a professor of media culture and communication at New York University, the author of several books, including Loser Take All: Election Fraud and the Subversion of Democracy, 2000-2008 and Fooled Again: How the Right Stole the 2004 Election & Why They'll Steal the Next One Too. Mark Crispin Miller us now in our firehouse studio.

    Welcome to Democracy Now!

    Mark Crispin Miller: It's good to be here, Amy. Thank you.

    AG: Alright, well, we had you on right before the election, because that's when Mike Connell was being deposed. This news that came out of his death in a plane crash on Friday night, talk about what you understand has happened.

    MCM: Well, I cannot assert with perfect confidence that this was no accident, but I will say that the circumstances are so suspicious and so convenient for Rove and the White House that I think we're obliged to investigate this thing very, very thoroughly. And that means, first of all, taking a close look at some of the stories that were immediately circulated to account for what happened, that it was bad weather. That was the line they used when Wellstone's plane went down. There had been bad weather, but it had passed two hours before. And this comes from a woman at the airport information desk in Akron. We're told that his plane was running out of gas, which is a little bit odd for a highly experienced pilot like Connell, but apparently, when the plane went down, there was an explosion, a fireball that actually charred and pocked some of the house fronts in the neighborhood. People can go online and see the footage that news crews took. But beyond the, you know, dubiousness of the official story, we have to take a close look at - and a serious look at all the charges that Connell was set to make.

    AG: Now, he had asked the Attorney General Mukasey for protective custody, because of threats to him and his wife?

    MCM: He reported threats to his lawyer, Cliff Arnebeck, and Arnebeck - also, Velvet Revolution heard from tipsters, as well, tipsters who also claimed that Connell's life was at risk. Stephen Spoonamore, the whistleblower who was the first - who was the one to name Connell in the first place, also had an ear to the inside. He's also very connected. And all these people were saying Rove is making threats, the White House is very worried about this case.

    Having heard all this, Arnebeck contacted Mukasey, he contacted Nancy Rogers, who is the Ohio Attorney General, and he wrote a letter to the court, telling all of them that "This man should be in protective custody. He is an important witness in a RICO case. Please do something to look after him." And they didn't respond to this.

    AG: So, explain what this case is all about and exactly what Mike Connell has been doing over these last years. What does it mean to be Karl Rove's IT guru?

    MCM: Well, the lawyers in the case refer to him as a high-IQ Forrest Gump, by which they mean that he seems to have been present at the scene of every dubious election of the last eight years. We're talking about Florida in 2000. We're talking about Ohio in 2004. We're talking about Alabama in 2002. He seems to have been involved in the theft of Don Siegelman's re-election for governor. There's some evidence that links him with the Saxby Chambliss-Max Cleland Senate race in Georgia in 2002. To be Karl Rove's IT guru seems to have meant basically setting it up so that votes could be electronically shaved to the disadvantage of the Democrats and the advantage of Republicans.

    AG: What do you mean, "electronically shaved"? I mean, you've got all these precincts all over Ohio. They're counting up their votes. What does he have to do with this?

    MCM: Well, specifically, there's a computer architecture setup called "Man in the Middle," which involves shunting the election returns from, you know, the state in question - in this case, Ohio - shunting them to a separate computer elsewhere. All of the election returns in Ohio in 2004 went from the Secretary of State's website - this is Ken Blackwell - to a separate computer in a basement in Chattanooga, Tennessee, which was under the control of another private company called SMARTech.

    So we have now two private companies: GovTech Solutions, which is Connell's company, SMARTech, which is run by a guy named [Jeff] Averbeck. And the company - the third private company that managed the voting tabulators in Ohio was called Triad. All three of these companies worked closely together on election night in Ohio in 2004. It turns out that the state's own IT person was sent home at 9:00 p.m. They said, "Go ahead. Go home. We'll take care of this." So that this trio of highly partisan and, let me add, Christianist companies basically took over the whole -

    AG: What do you mean, "Christianist"?

    MCM: Well, they're radical theocratic activists, particularly - particularly Triad and SMARTech. You know, they are fervently anti-choice.

    AG: Well, Mike Connell was, in fact - many said that's what motivated him through all of this, his fierce anti-abortion stance.

    MCM: He told - Connell told Spoonamore that one of the primary reasons why he helped Bush-Cheney steal elections was to save the babies. I do think, though, that we have to draw a distinction between Connell, on the one hand, and the Averbeck and the Rapp family, on the other hand, because Connell was far less ferocious in his political views. He was an ardent anti-abortionist, it's true, but he wasn't quite as hardcore as the others. And in fact, you know, he was a little bit alienated from the others, and that's one of the reasons why he was inclined to talk, and so on.

    But the fact is, to answer your question, that on election night in 2004, it had been Connell, with these other two companies working with him, who had managed the computer setup, enabling Ken Blackwell to study the maps of precincts and voter turnout very carefully and figure out how many votes they need. By shunting the data to Chattanooga, they kind of slowed down the data stream.

    AG: Wasn't Karl Rove's email also there in Chattanooga on some of these servers?

    MCM: Yes, yes. The same servers were used to host a whole bunch of highly partisan websites. And also, indeed, Karl Rove's emails were on that server, too.

    AG: That have gone missing.

    MCM: That have gone missing. Incidentally, Stephen Spoonamore, again, the whistleblower who's the one who named Connell, has told us - and I've seen his own contemporary notes -

    AG: And explain again who he was. Why was he in a position to whistleblow?

    MCM: Stephen Spoonamore is a conservative Republican, a former McCain supporter and a very prominent expert at the detection of computer fraud. He's the star witness in the Ohio lawsuit, right, in which Connell was involved. He has done extensive work of this kind, involving computer security, and had therefore worked with Connell, knew Connell personally and knew a lot of the people who were involved in the sort of cyber-security end of the Bush operation.

    Despite his conservatism - or I suppose some would say because of it - he's a man of principle - I mean, believes in the Constitution. He believes elections should be honest. He's the one who came forward and named Connell.

    And I have seen his notes of a conversation in which Connell asked Spoonamore how one would go about destroying White House emails. To this, Spoonamore said, "This conversation is over. You're asking me to do something illegal." But clearly, clearly - this is the important point - Mike Connell was up past his eyeballs in the most sensitive and explosive aspects of this crime family that, you know, has been masquerading as a political party.

    AG: And what did Fitrakis, the attorney who has brought the suit with Harvey Wasserman, the Ohio lawsuit, learn in the deposition of Mike Connell in the day before the election, which hardly got attention, considering it was the day before this historic election?

    MCM: Yeah. Harvey wasn't part of it. Harvey writes articles with Bob. It's Bob Fitrakis and Cliff Arnebeck are the attorneys. They learned very little. What they learned was that Bush-Cheney lawyer who accompanied Connell to the deposition was watching the whole thing like a hawk, repeatedly objected to questions. Connell was stonewalling like crazy at this deposition.

    They only learned one thing. And that was, they got confirmation that it was Connell who brought these other private companies into the arrangement, in addition to his own GovTech Solutions. Again, there was Triad and SMARTech. It was Connell who brought those three companies into one unit, so that the three of them were, in effect, handling Ohio's election returns on election night under Connell's supervision. That's what we learned.

    We also know, Amy, that since the deposition - I want to make this clear; we said it before, I want to repeat it - that Connell has indicated very clearly a desire to talk further, to tell more, whether it's his conscience bothering him or whether it's fear of some kind of a perjury charge because of how vigorously he stonewalled at the deposition. He made it known to the lawyers, he made it known to reporter Larisa Alexandrovna of Raw Story, that he wanted to talk. He was scared. He wanted to talk. And I say that he had pretty good reason to be scared.

    AG: So why did he fly in - why did he pilot his own plane when he was so afraid?

    MCM: Well, that's a good question. We can't ask him, unfortunately. I mean, this is kind of a grisly thought, but, I mean, I think we should be asking where the body is. We're told that a trooper on the scene immediately identified Connell. But then we read elsewhere that there was nothing left but debris and that the fireball was enormous. So maybe he wasn't on the plane. I mean, who knows, when you're dealing with people as deep as these?

    But the point is - I can't stress this strongly enough - we're dealing not just with a shocking accident, if that's what it was, and a convenient one. We're dealing not even just with a particular lawsuit that, you know, really requires vigorous promotion. The important point here is that this is all about our elections. That's what this is about. This is about democratic self-government.

    The fact that Obama won so handily has caused a lot of us to sit back and relax. There's been a lot of popping of champagne corks and people drawing the conclusion that the system must work, because our guy won. Well, this is not a sports event. This is self-government.

    In fact, the evidence strongly suggests - and we haven't had a chance to talk about this since Election Day - that Obama probably won by twice as many votes as we think. Probably a good seven million votes for Obama were undone through vote suppression and fraud, because the stuff was extensive and pervasive, in places where you wouldn't expect it.

    The Illinois Ballot Integrity Project was monitoring the vote in DuPage County, right next door to Obama's, you know, backyard, Cook County. And two of them, in only two precincts on Election Day, saw with their own eyes 350 voters show up, only to be turned away, told, "You're not registered," people who were registered, who voted in the primary. All but one of these people was black. That's in Illinois.

    People at the Election Defense Alliance have discovered, from sifting through the numbers, an eleven-point red shift in New Hampshire. That means that there's a discrepancy in Obama's disfavor, primarily through use of the optical scan machines, an eleven-point discrepancy in the Republicans' favor, OK?

    You start to combine this with all the vote suppression, all the disenfranchisement, all the vote machine flipping that went on in this election, you realize, OK, Obama won, but millions of Americans, most of them African American and students, you know, were not able to participate in any civic sense, ironically, a lot of the same people, you know, who would have been disenfranchised and were disenfranchised before the civil rights movement. So the fact that a black president was elected, while cause for jubilation, see, ought not to take place at the expense of a whole lot of our fellow citizens who seem to have been disenfranchised on racial grounds. My point is very simply this: We've got to get past the victory of Obama and look seriously at what our election system is like, or else, I promise you, see, the setup that was put in place in this last election, in 2004 and in 2000, OK, will still be there in 2010, still be there in 2012. So we've got to take steps to do something about it now.

    AG: Mark Crispin Miller, I want to thank you very much for being with us, professor of media culture and communication at New York University, most recent book Loser Take All: Election Fraud and the Subversion of Democracy, 2000-2008.

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    Amy Goodman is the host of the nationally syndicated radio news program, Democracy Now!

  

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This takes on more and more

This takes on more and more aspects of a really bad movie plot. "A crime family masquerading as a political party." Probably the best description of the GOP I've ever heard. And they haul in the Christian right to give themselves some legitimacy. Bad dog, bad dog. Years from now when students are reading of the rape of the United States by the republican party in their text books, will they yawn and look at the clock like I did reading history as a teenager. This isn't new. Its happened all throughout the world as long as there has been governments. Haves, have nots. Greed, religion, political dogma. Nothing new under the sun. Its just our turn.

I've been telling people for

I've been telling people for years that John Kennedy Jr.'s plane crash wasn't an accident. He was becoming too popular and a threat to conservatives.

A surprising number of

A surprising number of people Republicans have some problem with have died in private plains over the years.

Great work. It sure would

Great work. It sure would be nice to uncover the truth about Rove and Bush. Paul Wellstone was a friend of mne since the mid-eighties. Mary McEvoy also a friend was on Wellstone's plane. I still don't believe they died because of pilot error. I applaud the people who stay on the election fixing story. Thank you.

Are we surprised? Really?

Are we surprised? Really? Just because Cheney et al. will be leaving office, so we really imagine that they will be leaving power?

As long as we're getting

As long as we're getting into crime drama territory, and since Connell was apparently scared for his safety, is there any possibility he might have left behind some kind of "for press release in the event of my demise" package of damning evidence still to be discovered? Or have the Bush/Cheney cabal tied up that loose end as well?

"The truth is out there,"

"The truth is out there," but... the incriminating emails get "lost," the hard drives on which the emails were once stored vanish, the star witness dies in a mysterious plane crash just before he is scheduled to testify... Then the closing credits roll with Mulder and Scully walking dejectedly off into the night, back at square one with no proof. Meanwhile the shadowy high level government conspiracy wins yet another round, with the witness who was scheduled to blow the whistle in Federal court conveniently dead.

With Bush/Cheney OUT of the

With Bush/Cheney OUT of the spotlight, they will naturally become more covert, and therefore MORE powerful. Most of their crimes occurred behind the scenes anyway, and their new status further serves their criminal agendas. We have never needed watchdogs more than we need them now.

The single greatest threat

The single greatest threat to Karl Rove's continued freedom from prison on a variety of criminal charges under multiple states' and federal laws including RICO laws governing criminal conspiracy is killed in a plane crash after his attorney, stating that his client has received personal threats from Karl Rove, requests that the authorities provide protection for Mr. Connell. Considering that the Bush-Cheney-Rove administration gained power after stealing an election through widespread election fraud, has actively engaged in imprisoning and torturing American citizens without the suspension of their rights under US and international law, engaged in armed invasions of multiple countries, succeeded with a coup in Haiti and most likely is responsible for the attempted coup in Venezuela, is there anyone gullible enough to believe that the plane crash was just an incredible piece of good luck for Rove, Cheney, and Bush, and their co-conspirators?

Helloooooooooo!! Why would

Helloooooooooo!! Why would the perpetrators of the 9/11 false flag attacks hesitate to add another victim to their list? After murdering 3,000 innocent persons to gin up support for their wars, what's one more person, especially if he is entertaining the notion of testifying against one of their primary conspirators with direct links to Bush and Cheney? Expect more "accidents" and "suicides" in the future, friends. Furthermore, if we Americans do not face the reality of the 9/11 event, demand a full and impartial investigation, and bring the REAL perpetrators of that atrocity to justice, it will be US that will suffer from the fascist takeover of our country.

Yes, an astounding number of

Yes, an astounding number of "convenient" deaths lately, from the alleged anthrax killer Bruce Ivins to this fellow. "Suicides" with no suicide notes or motive ... and plane accidents. If you follow the JFK Jr. story, it's clear that everything from the official "rescue attempt" to the propaganda about John being an inexperienced pilot, etc. are patently untrue. It's hardly a coincidence that he was talking about running for high office and was using his mag "George" to out the truth about his father's murder just before he died. Study the JFK assassination in Mary Ferrell Foundation archives and you'll quickly see the same pattern. Literally hundreds of eyewitnesses and journalists who discovered the truth conveniently disappeared; years later, a second wave of mysterious deaths, dozens of them key insiders, occurred just before they were to testify to the Church Committee on Assassinations. Lots of "plane accidents" there, too. And guess what, the same family was involved then and now: The Bush Family. Hmmm... coincidence?????

Missouri governor Mel

Missouri governor Mel Carnahan was killed in a p;ane crash. I'm sure the first report mentioned a mid-air explosion, nothing mentioned about that later...as far as I know, nobody has looked into this.

Let this be a lesson to

Let this be a lesson to anyone opposing or testifying against the rightwing ideologues in the US and elsewhere, stay away from chartered aircraft, a favored weapon of assassination. The GOP is just the front for the extreme right in the US; its operatives are deeply embedded in the nation's civil service, the military, the intelligence agencies, the prisons and justice system, as well as Wall Street. Wonder why all that wealth went to feed the financial services industry during the Bush years? "A crime family masquerading as a political party" is good description of the GOP. A good description of the right is "American citizens masquerading as patriots."

the most stupid thing he did

the most stupid thing he did was that he asked wrong people for protection; he should have left the country and seek protection anywhere where US corrupt government has no means to get to him and then testify but too bad

I saw the Democracy Now

I saw the Democracy Now interview of this issue a few days ago. Is the Corporate Media cable news networks: FOX, CNN, CNBC, MSNBC (Olbermann or Maddow?) covering any of this? Bush/Cheney/Rove are obviously going to try to get rid of people whose testimony to Congress, or a civil or criminal court might put the three behind bars, or in the case of Valerie Plame, facing execution for treason! Wellstone met his death in a plane crash, and so did Carnahan, so it makes one wonder! I'm also thinking of the convenient death of Bill Casey, the head of the CIA during the Reagan years, when the Iran/Contra Scandal was a hot issue. Casey also knew about the October 1980 Surprise, of Bush 41 meeting with Iranians in Paris to ruin any chances of Carter geting the hostages released before the election.

Remember Wellstone was the

Remember Wellstone was the deciding vote in the Senate. With his death, Cheney took that position. Bush's illegal invasion of Iraq and all the Constitutional subversions to substantiate it were the result. We need tribunals now to hold Bush/Cheney/Rove et al accountable.

To: Wed, 12/24/2008 - 22:25

To: Wed, 12/24/2008 - 22:25 β€” Anonymous ~ Lifespans do limit the ability of any one group staying in power for "too" long, possibly. But it really depends on what amount of time is "too" long. For example, I was convinced by Summer 2001 that the Bush Dynasty had already been in power for too long. Sure that was only about six months into W's term, but he'd already started destroying the economy and I (and many others) got laid off well before 9/11. I'm pretty sure that a single day of a coup is "too" long.

I think it highly likely

I think it highly likely that Michael Connell is hidden in the witness protection program now and will not testify because he's in some safe-house. I think they would be willing to out-and-out kill him to protect their secrets, but that they wouldn't kill him because he might still be of use to them. Also, they might have been afraid that he would have left behind some information linking them to crimes in the event of his death. If my theory is true and he is not dead then the information will never get out. The trooper in this case, would have to be in on it. That part is particularly stinky. How can a state trooper identify a body that has been consumed in a fireball? Don't you need next of kin to ID someone? The trooper would have to be a plant. Does anyone know the name of this trooper? Was the trooper actually a trooper or was he a sleeper agent type in a state-trooper costume? Was this plane crash linked to the jet crash over the same weekend? Was the jet crash manufactured, so as to become the big story in the news cycle so that this story wouldn't be ruminated over?

It is disingenuous nonsense

It is disingenuous nonsense to compare Bush W's presidency to any other. (Wed, 12/24/2008 - 22:25 β€” Anonymous) The Bush Presidency is the first anti-Constitutional Presidency. He has aimed at subversion of the legal bedrock of the Constitution and extra-legal methods throughout his terms of office. His minions brought us the suspension of habeas corpus which put everyone at risk. It was only Justice Kennedy's vote that has kept us a hairs-breadth away from martial law and a government that disappears its own citizens. The Bush government has violated every essential element of national and international law. Together these constitute High Crimes of State that include treason and War Crimes from setting acts of torture in motion and "the supreme war crime" of invasion. No previous presidency has come this close to tyranny.

the reason these people are

the reason these people are getting away with murder is because nobody gives a damn as long as their pocketbook isn't at risk . and the people in power won't do anything cause they might be next. sen. feinstein has said that prosecution is not an option because " we need to look to the future and move on. well i'm moving on and my vote is moving on to someone else. i now believe that cheney is far and away the most evil person in the world. bin laden hasn't even come close to him

What happened to the

What happened to the programmer Clint Curtis that reported on this several years ago. Is he dead yet?

Don't forget that JFK Jr was

Don't forget that JFK Jr was about to declare his candidacy for the NY senate seat that seemed destined to be Ms. Clinton's when his plane went down. If we go by the "official" body sheets, JFK Jr. is listed as a casualty of the Clinton crime syndicate, which may or may not be just a capo family in the whole scheme (the CIA's (read: Bush 39's) coke went through Arkansa in the 80s). Too many rabbit holes, and all the wolves living with crosshairs aimed at their heads... Thank you Amy, Mark, and truthout for getting this out there. And regret to the Connel family, that they had to learn the truth like this.

what about Don Spiegelman

what about Don Spiegelman sitting in jail on trumped up charges?

I remember hearing Karl Rove

I remember hearing Karl Rove say about 9:30 p.m ET on election night that an Obama victory was "in the bank" - which certainly suggests that he had access to real as well as manipulated voting information. People were saying on election night that there as many as 135 million people had voted, but the vote totals that have been reported are at least 8 million short of that. I think Mark Crispin Miller is right that a standing network of vote impeders and vote riggers remains in place and, while they may not have been able to steal the presidency (something Rove was apparently privately aware of), they may well have handed some key House and Senate contests to Republicans in order to blunt the impact of the real election. How can we get at this pernicious threat to democracy? Hmmmm. Perhaps following the Cheney doctrine, we should start by waterboarding Rove and his "clients" until they tell us what they know ....

***One of the Rescue

***One of the Rescue Personnel at the Wellsotne Crash Site reported he was Stopped during his attempt to enter the area, & told "Let it Burn! Let it Burn!" ***

***Where's Ken Star & Patric

***Where's Ken Star & Patric Fitzgerald on This? But then again, they most likely Are! Along with Scalia, Alito, Mukasey, & Gonzo! Oh my God! What an Ugly Picture!!!***

Hello, new kid. I've read

Hello, new kid. I've read through about 2/3 of the comments, and my hat's off. Smart, thoughtful, believably well documented comments. My question seems to consistently come back to, "What to do about it?" The theories and supositions are indeed interesting, while entertaining and thought provoking, I found the links to activist groups the most helpful. I've certainly had it with this crap. Time to do something. I came out of the easy chair, I'm now a precinct chairperson. Did nothing, Obama vol, chairperson; something.

Nor am I surprised at the

Nor am I surprised at the disappearance of witnesses to the high crimes perpetrated by the current "regime". I would love to know the Karmic comeuppance so well deserved. The replacement of the 9 Federal Attorneys is not unrelated to future elections, and the landslide I did not see in this latest only makes me wonder what the next election will bring. Why can't they develop direct counting, or an alarm that indicates tampering???? We must ALL be vigilant in protecting our democracy from becoming a theocracy.

The plane involved in JFK

The plane involved in JFK Jr.’ crash was reported to be a Piper Saratoga at http://boston.com/news/packages/jfkjr/plane_globe.htm The Akron Beacon Journal reported that same type for Connell at http://www.ohio.com/news/break_news/36482529.html According to the Akron Beacon Journal article the spokesperson from the Akron-Canton airport identified the plane as being a Piper Saratoga. The corporate owner of the plane was also identified by the Airport spokesperson. FlightAware a website that tracks flight plans, put it on a 3:31 p. m. departure from College Park with a 5:43 p. m. arrival at Akron-Canton Airport. That means Connell could have been identified by perhaps multiple means: by the flight plan he presumably filed, by perhaps his name being picked up by FlightAware and the Airport, and by tracing his use of the aircraft to and from College Park by the corporation that owned the airplane. I don’t know this but it seems possible and certainly worth checking out. Perhaps the investigating officer used this information too. The article on JKF Jr. mentions the plane as having two fuel tanks. But they required switching. Otherwise the plane could run out of fuel. That means that even with full fuel in one of the tanks the engine could run out if that tank weren’t connected or switched in. Then upon crash landing there could well be a fire if the impact speed were high enough -- even if the engine were completely out of fuel. Connell’s Saratoga – if that’s what it was – might have been of a different model not equipped with a fuel tank switch. But perhaps it wasn’t . It’s certainly a feature worth investigating.

Has anyone even thought

Has anyone even thought about the vote tampering during the primaries? I see here that most are Democrat, and that's okay with me. But I voted for Ron Paul in the primaries. Even then, Ron supporters were worried about vote tampering, and in my mind, we were right, since McCain was "chosen". I mean really, McCain/Palin were a JOKE. They had no chance whatsoever of winning the presidency! So this goes far deeper than just the preseidency. This is the Senate, the House, tha whole enchilada. I for one would like to see something done about it.

"It's Not a GOP Thing?"

"It's Not a GOP Thing?" They Plan this sort of thing Years before it Hits the Fan! They have Plans A-Z & all the minions to Ruthlessly Carry them Out! & Now they Eliminate their Own, should they find a shred of Conscience, or simply become an Inconvenience! Next we'll be hearing this "It was the Democrats" Crap! With the Media as Their Chess Pawn & Free Reign to Re Write History, an Entire Collapse of a Nation can be Made to Order! This One Started when bush Wore a Wire to a Presidential Debate & Got AWAY WITH IT!!! Care to Argue This? Wake UP!!!

To: EDGEOFNOWHERE: Not only

To: EDGEOFNOWHERE: Not only do you need to get on here More Often, but We Need to Force the Murderous Media to Tell the Damn Truth! All Of It! & when they refuse, Make the Good Life Ugly for Them!

The American Republican

The American Republican Party may be the greatest threat to peace in the world today, acing out even Al Quaida. Unless you believe in unrestrained numbers of coincidences, these folks stink on a par with the likes of even Hitler.

Is anyone keeping a tally of

Is anyone keeping a tally of the airplane crashes? Car crashes?

Maybe the guy's not dead.

Maybe the guy's not dead. The CIA could have put him in a "witness protection program." Especially since they leaked the idea that he was worried about his safety. News reports said he was going to talk, but he never really said anything. He could have written a deposition. He didn't have to go to court to spill the beans. Where was the black box on the plane? They said he was running out of gas, but then the plane exploded, so it must have had fuel. If America had not looked the other way at JFK's death we would not be overlooking so many murders. As long as CIA has government sanction, they have a free hand, and you give it to them. You as citizen are as guilty as any of them. We are all responsible for all of this. Even if they rig the elections, we are responsible for letting them rig them. It is time for America to take responsibility. Kids these days don't even know who JFK was, let alone what has happened to our country.

I hate to hear this but also

I hate to hear this but also reminds me of a question I asked myself a while back. Why in the heck don't private planes / pilots have parachutes and jump out!!!