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Dear Senator Obama

by: Marc Ash, t r u t h o u t | An Open Letter

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    Dear Senator Obama,

    I just slogged through a lecture by The New York Times about how it is the "far left" that is most offended by your vote to ratify retroactive immunity for the US telecommunications companies that provided aid and comfort to George W. Bush's illegal program of domestic spying. Further, The Times implied, "mainstream Democrats" take a more mature and pragmatic view. The piece seemed to read like public relations material. But that's silly - it was news, of course.

    In fairness, the political center moves around more than a set of goalposts on the White House lawn. So, the relevancy of the Times's argument has a limited shelf life regardless. The real issue is twofold.

    Trust and the Law

    Let's assume the time has come to limit the scope of your campaign signs to the word "Change." The tag line "... we can believe in" has outlived its credibility. You may indeed change some things, but there won't be much to believe in. It will pretty much be on a case-by-case basis from this point forward. The difference is trust. Before you had it, now you don't.

    The problem is that what was at stake in the FISA legislation vote was more than a political ideal; it was the rule of law. You ratified an unconstitutional and egregious degradation of the Fourth Amendment. That won't go away easily. The United States's Constitution is not merely the security blanket for "civil liberties groups." It is the birthright of all Americans. It is our national treasure.

    The thing that jumps out at me when I review the reader comments posted at the bottom of our article pages is the mounting outrage at what can only be described as lawlessness in our nation's capitol. There is a growing consensus that the consent of the governed is lacking. That may not sound like a big thing, but I assure you it is. The alternative to the rule of law is the law of rule.

    The current commander in chief has established a function of monarchy in the oval office. Would you choose to undo that, or assume it? If the decision to ratify FISA was not your own inspiration, then at whose behest did you do so? And what next will they want? These are deep questions.

    We are a nation today dying of convenience, political convenience, chiefly. In 2000, we were a nation rushing to put hanging chads behind us. Dealing with what really happened in Florida was inconvenient. Seven and a half years later, we are still paying the debt. We are in a bloody and endless quagmire in Iraq, the nation's economy is in ruins and the greatest threat to freedom and democracy comes from our own leaders.

    The New York Times and much of the nation's commercial press make defining the "center" the focal point, the principal instrument of their brand of political activism. The "center" becomes the popular thing, what everyone is thinking, what we should be thinking. But that assumes that you don't have a loved one deployed in Iraq or Afghanistan, or that you are not facing foreclosure on your home, or trying to get medical treatment your health maintenance organization says you can't have. Then you won't be fooled. Take note, that group is growing everyday.

    All things of political concern to individual citizens in this country taken into consideration, one has to wonder if the commercial press isn't really defining the center as the center point between powerful commercial interests and the interests of individuals.

    A Landslide for Change

    We already had one landslide for change in this country: the 2006 Congressional elections. In fairness, the US occupation of Iraq was the primary impetus for change there, but by no means the only. When you think about it, you really can't get a landslide out of the far left, even if you throw in civil liberties groups. The numbers just aren't there. You have to have the center. So, if the center voted to end the US occupation of Iraq, how would the center vote on retroactive immunity for the telecommunications companies, who participated in spying on the center?

    For a leader, principle is terra firma (solid earth). Pragmatism places one foot on a slippery slope. Opportunism is descent. And Machiavelli waits at the bottom.

    Choose wisely, Mr. Obama.

  

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Marc Ash has really hit

Marc Ash has really hit the nail on the head with this article. Obama, who held so much of the hopes of those of us who want to return this nation to some semblance of a tripartite system, has now reversed himself on perhaps the most central issue of executive lawlessness and illegal spying. He no longer deserves our trust, and now there is no one on the horizon who deserves our vote.

well and truly said.

well and truly said.

Your open letter reflects

Your open letter reflects perfectly my feelings about Mr. Obama. I believe he has good intentions and the intelligence to be a fine president, but he seems about ready to blow his chances at the White House. I'm still a Kucinich or Edwards voter, but I did have some hope. Barack Obama's voting record during his short stay in the Senate reflects a sort of moderation that would not be enough to lead us out of our quagmire. Thank you for so eloquently stating what I'm sure a lot of Democrats are felling now.

I agree with most of the

I agree with most of the arguments put forth in this article and admire the sentiment, however, I would like to clarify that the 2006 elections were not a land slide. They would have been had it not been for widespread election fraud and voter suppression. This is perhaps the most urgent issue facing us, as the electronic voting machines will have the power to override the will of the people and put McCain in office. I strongly urge TruthOut to start covering this matter so that there is heavy skepticism and scrutiny of the elections in November, or they will subvert the wishes of the people for the 5th time running. Evidence of election fraud is real and overwhelming. See "Loser Takes All", edited by Mark Crispin Miller.

I am rabidly ANTI-MCCAIN,

I am rabidly ANTI-MCCAIN, and was thrilled to have Obama as "my" candidate. But now the fix is in, and by his FISA vote, and his "seeking the center" (of whose ass to kiss ?) my candidate has grown the long hairs of a moldy piece of fruit. I do not want to sit at the table in front of that plate any more. Marc, I am very sad that your comments are right on. For one brief shining moment - - -

(Mark, edit first sentence!)

(Mark, edit first sentence!)

Thank you. Thank you. Have

Thank you. Thank you. Have you seen Arthur Waskow's letter to Obama,? He's from the Shalomcenter.org. Says much the same talking about means not justifying the ends. Excellent.

"Choose wisely, Mr. Obama."?

"Choose wisely, Mr. Obama."? Not in the cards, I'm afraid. Mr. Obama has not shown a hint of wisdom in all of his meager public life. We, the voters, need to choose wisely and send Mr. Obama back to the minor leagues where he belongs.

Excellent comment that will

Excellent comment that will save me from having to write a letter to Mr. Obama. Was this letter actually sent to him? I certainly hope so. Special delivery. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

I have tried to send the

I have tried to send the Obama campaign comments, at two different sites...and the 'Send" does not send. I wanted his campaign to know: am angry, disillusioned and very concerned in the change of Obama's stands, on a number of issues, lately. For a constitutional lawyer, his vote to undo our birthright, is unforgivable. This alone, is fundamental to our rule of law. You said it truly: Obama's mantra has outlived its credibility; he no longer has my trust.

It seems like it may not be

It seems like it may not be too late for the Democrats to nominate Clinton for president. At least she voted correctly on the FISA bill. Neither candidate has enough delegates to win on the first ballot. And the super delegates don't actually cast their ballots until there is a deadlock at the convention in Denver. Several hundred super delegates have pledged to vote for Obama (hence making him the "presumptive" nominee), but they -- as well as any or all of the other "pledged" delegates are free to change their vote up until the very moment it is cast.

Mark, Thanks for your

Mark, Thanks for your incisive observations. I'm an Illinois rez, so I've heard the man in person. He's quite bright, but a politician nonetheless. My take on it is that at times he seems to be a placater and a people pleaser, not wanting to make waves. But when he speaks his mind and tells the truth in a forceful, respectful and humorous manner, that's when he shows his gifts as a true leader. I'm with you in hoping that he can transcend the cesspool currently operating in D.C.

Obama betrayed us, and

Obama betrayed us, and himself, with that vote. I dared to believe Obama was a new kind politician. Now, once again, there is no one to believe in.

You articulate exactly how I

You articulate exactly how I feel about the current state of affairs with Mr. Obama. I am astounded at his lack of integrity in following through on his promises to be a different kind of leader in Washington. To me it is more egregious than something McCain would do. As you say, I trusted Obama to lead us in a direction that valued both the principles on which the constitution was written and the American people. If this is a picture of the center, we are headed for much suffering and pain.

Unfortunately, we may have

Unfortunately, we may have ended up in a desperate situation, in which Barack Obama may have sunk to the status of the lesser of two evils. John McCain is so embedded with the failures, if not the actual evils, of the Bush administration that he is absolutely unacceptable as the next president. There is no viable alternative; no matter what further misjudgments Obama may yet make, the people have no recourse. Anyone who considers voting for McCain, or even not voting at all, puts the nation at an intolerable risk. That goes for self-designated Progressives, disappointed devotees of other ex-competitors (Biden, Richardson, etc.), and dejected Hillary fans, including older women -- I am one!

Well done, Mr. Ash, Now,

Well done, Mr. Ash, Now, THAT's telling it like it is. This however is more an Open Letter wake-up call to America than to Obama who is already a piece of this puzzle and accepted long ago the "rules of the game" to get where he is. You said: "...the greatest threat to freedom and democracy comes from our own leaders." Well, well, about time to say that out loud. That should be on the lips of all of our Congress occupiers who swore Oaths to defend the Constitution. That it's not, only shows the depth of our crisis. Those who swear to uphold our security by authorizing billions, should first do it better and more economically and more patriotically by putting their OWN bodies on the line at Pennsylvania Avenue to save our nation from those who prove daily how much they hate democracy! It is well to admonish Obama, but this hellish spiral into authoritarianism, dictatorship, and "might makes right" has been going on for a long time, predating Obama, and, yes, even W. That admonishment was warranted decades ago. But now the economic downturn and obscene abuses of our own Insurgent Regime, have awaken folks beyond the limited left who saw it coming, but did precious little to face it besides justifying their support of enablers. We have few alternatives and little visionary leadership today because as a society we sanction the buying our or burying of such leadership. Even the evidence of overwhelming public support for impeachment, does little to move our Congress who absurdly say that "it would hurt Democrats' chances in November." Actually, the chances of answers for America, law and the Constitution coming out of the Democratic Party, admonishment or no, are pretty slim. There's plenty of empirical evidence for that by now: there's nothing to hold or grab onto that hasn't already been bought. It's time for the Spirit of '76, not the Spin of '08.

My response exactly (though

My response exactly (though mine was not so articulate and complete) to that horrible Times article. I sent them a letter wondering when eviscerating the Constitution became a mainstream/centrist position. I wish Obama would respond to your letter because so far I simply don't understand why he would have gone back on his word on this issue. Unless it's a payoff, a threat or something equally egregious, why would he do this? Having given a couple of small sums to the campaign, I got a fund-raising call the other day. I said I was very disappointed over the FISA vote--they said that he'd explained that in a statement on the web site (sort of in the vein of Shut up, he explained, I think). I said the explanation wasn't good enough for me and that I'd probably vote for him but wouldn't be giving any more money. No response, really, so I said goodbye. All quite disheartening.

Well said Marc! I especially

Well said Marc! I especially loved the last five lines. Appreciating you, Sheila

I agree totally with the

I agree totally with the above letter. We are hurting in this country, and we are being ignored by our Representatives in Congress. We need Senator Obama to choose very wisely. Is he for change or status quo. Will he does as he says he will?????

I would like Sen. Obama to

I would like Sen. Obama to fully explain why he voted as he did. We need to know the rationale behind his vote. Lenore R.

Marc Ash hit the nail on the

Marc Ash hit the nail on the head and the commentators are holding the nail set. I was also an Edwards fan, then an alternate delegate for Clinton. I've always felt Obama didn't have solidity or real direction that leadership needs. Flexibility and the ability to compromise are a good thing in a leader, but, that should round out the other primary qualities. I'm still waiting to see those. That said, I will still vote the Democratic ticket come November. I've been undeclared for 36 yrs. and only this year changed to Democrat. It had to be done. We have no other viable choices before us. Once we're in we'll all have to get off our couches and actively and loudly remind the Democrats in Congress and the White House where we want them to go! Passive politics just won't cut it anymore. Get your protest signs out of the closet and some good walking shoes!

Our constitution defined a

Our constitution defined a number of rights that we as human beings are entitled, merely because we are human beings. Those rights are owned by people and cannot be used as payment in any form of barter. These rights are the embodiment of humanity itself. To infringe on these rights is to dehumanize us all. To barter away that which does not belong to you is egregious behavior. Such actions do not bode well for Mr. Obama's potential service. Come November, I must again vote for the candidate who will dehumanize me the least. There are no candidates who have the tiniest shred of respect for Americans. We The People are merely life-support systems for a wallet. We, apparently, have no other value.

Disillusioned as I am, I

Disillusioned as I am, I still went to New Hampshire to canvass for Obama. If you believe there is no difference between the two candidates, go walk through a Manchester working class neigborhood that much resembles the South Side where Obama was an organizer. Do you think McCain has a clue about these peoples' lives? Can they hope for anything more than being cannon fodder for his next few wars? Yes, I'm really mad about the FISA vote. But I'm getting even madder at the folks who think they can sit this one out.

seems like Ron Paul is the

seems like Ron Paul is the man now, all except his abortion views, only women have the right to say about their bodies, but everything elkse about this guy seems righteous Ron Paul and Dennis K right on all else need to die as traitors

Obama has proven himself

Obama has proven himself part of the big money machine. He has castrated our hopes for any justice in this corrupt political nightmare.

Well done Marc. Perhaps you

Well done Marc. Perhaps you could meet with Obama in person. This Internet site represents a lot of voters that Obama needs. Also your article could be sent to Democratic "leaders". I also agree with the concern regarding election fraud. Rove is probably busy right now plotting to keep the Neocon/Corporatists in power with rigged voting machines and voter suppression techniques.

Belva says: "[Obama] no

Belva says: "[Obama] no longer deserves our trust, and now there is no one on the horizon who deserves our vote." Not so. Whether, in the end, you vote for her (them) or not, your money and moral support for the Green all-woman team of Cynthia McKinney and Rosa Clemente will amplify their voices who will be saying just what this article says, and offers organized, hopeful, people-centered solutions. As McKinney says, just 5% nationwide gives real progressives a seat at the table for the first time. Read John Nichols' blog in the Nation (thenation.com/blogs) about the history-making events of this past weekend. Think about it.

Enjoy your "change", folks.

Enjoy your "change", folks. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Obama lost some

Obama lost some creditability here, though I can understand his not feeding "Soft on Terror" talking points to Faux News. Perhaps this vote was a done deal and his vote would make no difference. There must be more Democrats involved in these criminal activities than we know. We have no choice but Obama, let us pray that he remembers the base and cause that gave him this opportunity.

I refuse to behave like the

I refuse to behave like the child or spouse of an abusive man or woman, hoping, despite repeatedly being kicked in the gut, that this time things will be different if I just give them one more chance. If you vote for a democrat other than someone named Kucinich, Feingold, Dodd, Waters, Wexler or Leahy, you're a sap. I'm not a single issue voter, except when it comes to my civil liberties and the Constitution. I'm going to vote for someone who actually stands, and speaks, for the things I believe in. Run Ralph, run!

Marc, thank you. I have now

Marc, thank you. I have now become one of the voters who will have to choose the lesser of two evils. I had hoped that this time around this would not be the case. McCain if elected will be an even greater disaster for this country and the world than has been George W. Bush, if such a thing is possible. Now it appears that Obama will only be marginally better. The wind has been taken out of my sails!

Yes, well stated. Rather

Yes, well stated. Rather than invoke anything further about Obama, let me just say that Ralph is right on policy, but wrong on electoral tactics. Ralph should have run in the Democratic primary in 2000, in 2004, and in 2008. At least we would have had *some* leverage then. Instead we had a primary campaign pitting one "centrist" against another "centrist".

I too was disappointed in

I too was disappointed in Obama's FISA capitulation. I don't really feel like voting for him anymore. I was becoing very anti-Clinton with her "obliterate Iran" schtick, but was really hoping that Obama was different. I guess not. Man, do I hate having to raise my kids in this country. What am I supposed to tell them about this kind of stuff? If we lived in the Ukraine or something we would all say "well, its the government, so of course its corrupt." I was not raised to think that way about the US government, but now I feel that in order to prepare my kids for their future, that I need to warn them that their leaders, no wait, their RULERS, are not in power in order to represent their interests, but simply to serve the moneyed corporate class. Thanks a bunch, Barack. It was easy to point at Bush and call him stupid and nasty and dangerous. You, however, had the potential to be different. What a f***ing waste. Good night and good luck.

don't believe the "hope and

don't believe the "hope and change' that Obama promises. You can see it now, Obama supports the criminal actions (FISA) of the current administration. A government which governs least is the best. We don't need to give more money to our government (Obama claims he won't raise our taxes...how many times have we heard that from the left?). And McCain is no better...if not worse. The government should fear the people, it should never be the other way around. We need to take back our liberties, not give more up like Obama and McCain believe we should do. Our economy is in shambles...watch 'the energy non-crisis' on google...really interesting info on why our economy is going to pot.

Excellent summation. Thank

Excellent summation. Thank you. Starting last year, I've been saying that choosing Democrat or Republican is like choosing chocolate or vanilla. It no longer matters, because all of them work for the corporations that have stolen our government. However at this point we the people literally cannot afford any more paid patsies to the corporate elites. This is an emergency. They're pretending it's not. We no longer can look to Washington to provide anything- not organization, not sanity, definitely not leadership. They are only there to take from us at this point, and give to their cronies in Eisenhower's famous "military industrial complex". We're facing the collapse of the Industrial Society- Peak Oil is here and now. The people who profit from that system are scrabbling to hang on to their "superiority" by refusing to face the emergency we are in. They hold the politicians and the commercial news media hostage via finances- but finances are failing as well, thanks to their machinations. The rest of us must not allow their frenzied puppeteering to distract us from the mission we face. Starting now, today, we have to find ways to remove ourselves from the economic grid. Start figuring out how to provide for your own food/ clothing/ shelter/ energy/ transportation- and your neighbors' as well. Don't count on anybody inside the Beltway to have any kind of a plan. They don't. The system is going down, the rats are leaving the ship, and we have to get the lifeboats afloat.

PS. Happy Bastille Day,

PS. Happy Bastille Day, everybody.

They say Obama is very

They say Obama is very learned about US Constitution and law. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand the document. Its time he starts showing he knows what he is talking about instead of caving in to retroactive legalizing what was illegal in the most fundamental elements of the Bill of Rights. The sucking up to foreign entities like Aipac is telling.

It sounds like everyone who

It sounds like everyone who has commented about this piece feels pretty much the same way. Obama was not my first choice, but I came to believe he had his heart in the right place and was a straight shooter. His FISA vote, however, blind-sided me, and now the quandary sets in. I have never missed voting in an election, presidential or otherwise, and don't plan to skip this one, but I feel like Progressives have been hoodwinked. Obama secured our votes and has now moved to secure the Center, whoever they may consist of. It's a sad state of affairs. Who is this man, Obama, and what does he really believe in?

This is like SCIENCE

This is like SCIENCE FICTION. Wasn't it Dodd & Grassley who acted as if they standing up for our privacy rights on FISA. But now, hidden deep in Senator Christopher Dodd's 630-page Senate housing (foreclosure) legislation (pushed by Grassley) is a sweeping provision that affects the privacy and operation of nearly all of America's small businesses. The provision, which was added by the bill's managers without debate last week, would require the nation's payment systems to Track, Aggregate, and Report information on nearly every electronic transaction to the federal government. Not only does it affect nearly every credit card transaction in America, such as Visa, MasterCard, Discover, and American Express, but the bill specifically targets payment systems like eBay's PayPal, Amazon, and Google Checkout.

Obama needs to address this

Obama needs to address this issue in much the same way as he addressed the Reverend Wright's comments if he hopes to regain any credibility. Even then he may not be able to regain the trust he once held. A weak moment or a fatal flaw? He needs to tell us.

If those of us on the “far

If those of us on the “far left”, those who admire virtue, character and integrity, honor our inheritance (i.e. constitutional rights) and demand respect for the rule of law (i.e. revere the fourth amendment) are expendable under Obama’s political calculus, then the only appropriate response is action that influences the context of that calculus. In other words, a vote for the Ron Paul’s, Ralph Nader’s and Cynthia McKinney’s of the world until the two party system that is the origin of our discontent, and the source of the gridlock paralyzing our capital, and basis for the culture of corruption infecting our body politic, is “downstroyed”. To choose the “lesser of two evils” is nevertheless a choice perpetuating evil. We cannot and must not allow the fear of another republican administration to dissuade us from doing the right thing. Many have fought and many more have made the ultimate sacrifice to win and secure our rights, now is the time to honor them through our willingness to fight and sacrifice for our “inalienable” rights.

And *this* is what I'm

And *this* is what I'm supposed to accept as my substitute for Hillary. At least she was way up front with her support for this BS - we knew what we were getting. This Obama guy changes his tune more often than a jukebox. Thank you so much, all you democrats who were so "wise" to vote for him. Is John Edwards or Al Gore still available? Honestly I don't think anyone cares at this point if the candidate were to just be different once the convention rolls around... Remember, he's still the "presumptive" nominee.

Denver is still in front of

Denver is still in front of us...

After all the madness of the

After all the madness of the primary, Barack and Hillary stayed neck and neck just about down to the end--and I'm convinced that it was because there wasn't a dime's bit of difference (to coin a phrase) between the two of them on policy. The campaigns both knew exactly where the center was. And given the overwhelmingly vast turnouts in those primaries, it's the center of a huge portion of America. The Democratic party chose Obama--narrowly. But they also voted overwhelmingly for that center.

I've read the full editorial

I've read the full editorial comment and ALL of the responses up to this point. I share the concern of many that this may represent a flaw in our HOPE. But, I'm wondering if any of those commenting have read Obama's response on his website. Go to http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/rospars/gGxsZF/commentary It doesn't answer all the questions or all the concerns, but reading it DID help me not respond "by the seat of my pants," and to keep thinking about where we go from here. (and Marc, I do value your concern.)

I am an old man who didn't

I am an old man who didn't vote for 20 years because the choices were regan/bush/clinton/bush/gore/ etc. who were part of the ruling elite and if not born into eager to join. The two parties in the u.s. are corporate controlled puppet regimes for the financial-industrial-military behemoth. There is but a rat's ass of a difference between obama and mccain. America needs a bigger change than either of these two venal men have to give. But "progressives" please disabuse your self of the notion that baby bush is the worst president in modern times. Indeed he is the most bumbling mumbling worst lier, but he is doing the same job with the same brutal means as his predecessors, while cowardly crouching behind the privilege of power. Give a vote to the Green party before avoiding the voting booths altogether, their policy of social and environmental justice woke me from my Rip Van Winkle slumber and optimistically back with the dangling chad folks. With the Green party it is about solid policy, not spindrift candidates.

There will only be two

There will only be two choices in the November presidential elections. No matter what happens between then and now, I know who I am voting for. The failed policies of the current administration and the turning of America toward evil, I have lived through 58 years of it. Nothing could change my mind. OBAMA IS AMERICA'S LAST CHANCE FOR DEMOCRACY. I do not trust any politician. I do know I will never trust the republicans again, but I trusted John Kennedy, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. When the power is in his hands, I will trust Barack to do the right thing. Right now he has to trim sails. I believe it is a smart move. I really feel he will make it up to us. PS. I want to thank Marc Ash for being director of the finest news service ever.

I'm new to this site - and

I'm new to this site - and was very excited to find out about it, however - I may not be quite left enough according to most of the comments I've read so far. I understand the anger and frustration at Obama's FISA vote. I'm one of the supporters on his site that protested. As saddened as I am, it is imperitive to keep persepective. 1. He absolutely cannot appear to be soft on terror. 2. He couldn't not vote. 3. He may be protecting higher up Dems. And more importantly, he can't do anything to overturn this bill unless he gets elected. He can't do that with only us lefties supporting him. It is a necessary evil to gravitate center. I have full trust that once sworn in - he will do the right thing.

I don't think Senator Obama

I don't think Senator Obama has faced his true test yet. Consider the the difference between a candidate and a sitting president. The ability to control a given situation is completely different. George Bush was very pragmatic as a candidate. In short, you need not bother running otherwise. No, the true test comes later when your lead determines the way of the land. We can never know for sure about a president until he is elected but nothing about Senator Obama has led me to believe he would not lead the way on truth and justice. One of the significant difference between the deeds of Nixon versus Bush is that no one has been able to demonstrate that Bush and Cheney have not had the honest defense of the country at the root of their actions. It's like they are more stupid than guility of a crime. I believe that is the reason Congress feels it should not try to fight that issue with the voters. I don't agree with this but I understand it. But there will be opportunities to set all of this straight in the future. Let us hope that Senator Obama is our man. Otherwise....well you know...

Now that Obama is wearing

Now that Obama is wearing the flag pin on his lapel, his FISA vote and the withdrawing of troops from Iraq "during his presidency" (not as early as in March '09 as he promised us in 2007) should be viewed as the continuation of Bush's policies in the Middle East. And he will be visiting Israel in the near future where he will be given the marching orders on Iran

Everyone is missing the

Everyone is missing the point. We need criminal sanctions against the individuals who made the decisions for the telecom companies. We do not need to punish the shareholders and employees of these companies. Prosecute the executives who decided to break the law.

Obama's FISA vote made me

Obama's FISA vote made me feel horrible about the direction in which the country is headed, but at least it made me feel much much better about my recent decision to never again be a"lesser-of-two-evils" voter. Ralph! Cynthia! Cindy!

I am saddened by Mr.

I am saddened by Mr. Obama’s vote on the FISA bill. I will proceed under the idea that he is the “presumptive” nominee, recognizing that, based upon what, at present, is the most likely and reasonable projection. When I look carefully at the revered historical documents, I return again and again to Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address. So very many of the clauses and phrases delivered by Lincoln leap from the page to describe the crisis we now face. In specifc, I note “…our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty…” and “…testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure…” Are we losing our liberties? One can surely look at the FISA vote in conjunction with warrantless invasions of our privacy by this administration and be legitimately concerned. In all but the violence of armed conflict, we are engaged in an immense civil stress. “…It is for us the living, rather…” to turn off the television, take the i-Pod buds from our ears, and demand our government back. The years of lying must stop. The dictatorial bent of this administration must be opposed in whatever nonviolent form is at hand – phone calls, e-mails, letters, the masses crowding the halls of power – not just inside the Beltway, but at the offices “back home” – proclaiming the fact that we want our government back! We must dedicate ourselves to do what each of us can to assure that the idea “that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.” Is the situation really this dire? You are a citizen. It is your job to decide!

I live in Hawaii. I do have

I live in Hawaii. I do have other options than this shell game. Those options might be "slim chance" , but at this point, must be seriously considered. My elected representatives have not risen to the defense of the Constitution but one. Please understand, if the US Constitution was to become a scrap of paper, as G W Bush referred to it in 2005, then the US has ceased to exist. We will have become a "rogue state" with all that implies.

TWO CHOICES . . . I am

TWO CHOICES . . . I am tired of hearing about 'the lesser of two evils.' That is old-think! Neither McCain nor Obama are 'evil.' They do have very different world views. If you have lost your job, your home, can't afford food, would you say that voting against your own interest to make a 'moral' statement makes sense? Moral statements by the (middle class) left lead to presidents on the right. Witness 2000! The planet is in intensive care. . . isn't it time we got that we don't compromise our morals by compromising on issues and continuing to work for what we think is right? That's Obama's message. Somehow we never seem to understand that we have TWO CHOICES and only two choices. If you choose other than Obama, or you chose to pass on this election, you choose McCain. Get over your pet issues and let's work together!!

...from the moment I heard

...from the moment I heard Senator Barack Obama as the key-note speaker for the Democratic National Convention in 2004, I was a believer. I remembered flipping stations to take stock, even then, of "who" was already concerned about his undeniable voice for the people. The only channel that showed his speech in its entirety was PBS. Ironically, this was a first. As far as I can recall, during the conventions, the key-note speaker always got at least some air play. I am a simple American who has always voted. I feel the powers that be have gotten to a point where they are virtually untouchable with regards to how far they will go to suppress our voices. I am not excusing Senator Obama's vote, just deeply disturbed by why it happened in the first place. . I truly believe THERE IS NO END to the ways in which he will and has been marginalized. I believed in Senator Obama then and I believe in him now. Turning away in disgust is human. Abandoning your vote is inexcusable.

Pander to the

Pander to the religionistas; get 50 million bucks or so from lobbyists; load up those church buses; dash to Denver; rah-rah stadium party; back to ignoring and undercutting The Constitution and Progressive principles. Obama, Pelosi, Reid, ... are far more dangerous than McCain, Pelosi, Reid, .... H.R.C. 2012 (2008 would be better)

Well, here it begins. Obama

Well, here it begins. Obama is going to sell black Americans and by extension, "all Americans" (to use a phase he is so fond of to denoted that he for all us) "down the river." He is the person the military industrial complex, multi-national corporations, and the global financial institutions chose to get the job done. Americans think the times are going to be better:"Change we can believe in"only means that our government is exchanging one pharaoh for another, except this one is extremely charming, intelligent, and good looking. My only fear is that Obama has the potential to be an even worst nightmare than George W. Bush. It matter if we elect him or not, the decision about who will be U.S. president was decided years ago and the votes are just going alone for the "dog and pony show."

Read the comments Obama.

Read the comments Obama. read them and weep!

I was giddy with hope for

I was giddy with hope for our country when Obama began to overtake Hillary. She's a dangerous lady. That hope has been shattered and I am angry with myself that I gave this man money. This FISA disaster is so huge that even those of us who have read it and think we understand it will be shocked at the rebound. George Bush and Co. have had too many years to initiate the destruction of our democracy; with this bill it is inevitable. I am angry with Americans who sit and worry about their personal problems - do they not see where they originate - and that 'we the people' actually have the power in numbers to change this?? Why so apathetic? Ashamed of voting for GW? WE do not have to sheep-like go down this path saying there is nothing we can do. Start small. Protest. Write letters - but most of all TALK to neighbors, friends, family - damn strangers. Shake things up. However inevitable this path is purported to be, or how 'End of Days' you believe it - fight it! Read Harry Potter again!

Choosing the Lesser of 2

Choosing the Lesser of 2 evils is still choosing evil. In my youth I believed that if one did not vote one gave up one's right to complain. Now, I see that sometimes there is no choice but to not support either candidate. I supported Obama, and now I am ashamed that I was hoodwinked by his smooth talk. I can not, in good conscience vote for a person who has voted to restrict or reduce my constitutional rights. How could I believe that such a person would "uphold the constitution?" At this point I am ready to vote for anyone but either of the presumptive nominees. So now comes the new option -- draft Reid and Pelosi or Reid and Hillary. An when all else fails, write in or vote 3rd party. Doing so does not "throw away" your vote, but rather opens up the dialog. If any 3rd party candidate gets enough votes to register a blip, the discussion in DC will change, party positions will change. That will be change that we can believe in.

"For a leader, principle is

"For a leader, principle is terra firma... Pragmatism places one foot on a slippery slope. Opportunism is descent. And Machiavelli waits at the bottom." I have added the name of Obama to the Bush, Pelosi, Reid firm of prevaricators entrenched in DC. Fool me once, etc. The Torture, Rapine, International Terrorism Complex which the USA has perfected in its quest for (a failed) planetary supremacy is still promoted by the gang of tuxedoed thugs prancing around Washington's imperial setting. See you all in the International Human Rights Violators dock. Ciao.

Thanks Mark. Only problem

Thanks Mark. Only problem with your letter is it had no teeth. Obama's response is predictable: "So what? I can do whatever I want. I'm your only choice." In fact, numerous commenters have said the same thing right here. They've said, look everyone, just shut up because he's our only choice. WAKE UP EVERYONE! You have been duped by the Republicrats. They are NOT your only choices. RALPH NADER has 6% of polled voters' support. Once he gets 10%, he gets into the Google debates. At that point Obama and McCain have NO chance of winning, unless they rig the machines again. But Nader, unlike Gore, won't back down from challenging a fraudulent election.

Marc and Truthout folks, and

Marc and Truthout folks, and concerned Americans reading this post - First, thanks for a nuanced and realistic assessment. I enjoy reading the perceptions. Let's turn them into defending the constitution, shall we? Second, please don't go down the rabbit hatch that Moveon.Org did - I refer to the" Inside the Beltway" banality that sucked their skulls after three or four cocktail parties with 'playas' about the Non-binding Resolution BS. Third, most of the heat of this FISA bill posting is a lot of "bringing a knife to a gunfight." "statement of concern" non-binding resolution, "outrage and dismay" - How precious, how quaint, how essentially impotent. They can't hear you gnashing your teeth when you're already down to the gums. Do something! Write somebody. Make a sign, picket the phone company, change your carrier, sue the phone companies, join EFF and ACLU, and make the leaders follow - they will, if you make it binding, painful and inevitable. WTF! This is a criminal conspiracy of the first magnitude who would sweep innocent people off the street, torture and deny basic rights of redress such as habeas corpus. WAKE UP!

@new to this site see

@new to this site see quote below... ". He absolutely cannot appear to be soft on terror. 2. He couldn't not vote. 3. He may be protecting higher up Dems. And more importantly, he can't do anything to overturn this bill unless he gets elected." " So, by inference you are saying Chris Dodd is soft on terror? And what "higher up Dems" are you talking about? Higher up than who? He can do or could have done a lot to stop this bill: filibuster as he promised to do when he wanted our primary votes. And also, this is not about left or liberal blah blah blah center blah blah blah it's about the Constitution and our freedoms. If anything that's downright conservative.

HIt post before I was done.

HIt post before I was done. For those looking for someone to believe in - vote but verify. Make sure they know what you want, what you believe in, but more importantly - what the costs will be. The crooks must be arrested. We have the right to know what our government is doing. We have to take our country back from the self-dealing, slime balls before it's not worth getting back. And for the "respect" - If you are going to put your trust in a politician, they have to 1) respect your power 2) understand your desires. 3) believe they work for you

Thank you Marc. If there is

Thank you Marc. If there is hope for the human race to survive another generation, it may well lie with Obama. There's no time to generate a viable third party candidate. If BushCheneyLiebermanHagee get their way and we start war in Iran, it probably won't matter anyway. I'm glad I don't have any children to apologize to.

The assumption is that 'the

The assumption is that 'the center', along with those making this inane assumption, somehow despises the 4th amendment. What next. Does Obama also believe that 'the center' hates its own freedoms? What kind of deranged people are these anyway? Of course if Obama wants to be a Monarch the Constitution might just as well be "just a Godammed piece of paper" as it appears to be for our present idiot Emperor. After all, it does get in the way with its protections and guarantees for the rabble.

To Lois Lane: What in the

To Lois Lane: What in the world is "soft on terror" supposed to mean? ("He absolutely cannot appear to be soft on terror.") It means whatever the neocons want it to mean. If we keep on accepting such characterizations, they will continue creatively defining them. Telecom immunity has nothing to do with terror (just as the Patriot Act had nothing whatsoever to do with patriotism). Voting in FEAR is the very definition of terror.

After all the promises, it

After all the promises, it turns out that Obama is just another politician, at heart no different from McBush. Obama has lost my vote. It's as simple as that.

Frankly, I think you were

Frankly, I think you were much too kind to Obama in this letter. I cannot see his vote as anything other than a complete and utter sellout.

i have read many of the

i have read many of the comments regarding this piece and i am amazed at how many people don't seem to think that upholding the rule of law, never mind the constitution, is important. apparently it's more important to get elected by any means necessary, and judging from some of the comments, appealing to "the center" means the rule of law only applies to the little people because if it comes down to upholding the law or getting elected, well, getting elected is clearly more important. my biggest objection to his fisa vote is that he's abandoning the rule of law. it's okay to break the law if you're a big corporation or a rich executive (the president made me do it!), but if you're a poor kid who never had a chance slinging drugs on the corner, you can look forward to 10 - 25 years in maximum security. if the rule of law isn't upheld where the hell is the social contract? it's in the gutter, along with the shreds of that "piece of paper". the insult to injury is it was bad enough when it was bush and his cronies shoving this crap down our throats, but now it's the person who's supposed to be the alternative doing it? a self-righteous hypocrite is simply more than i can stomach, and that's what mr. obama is.

I am spinning. Is Obama

I am spinning. Is Obama doing what he needs to do to become president - and is he still the good person he seemed to be? - or is it all about power and nothing about principle? I am absolutely DISGUSTED at Democrats playing to the extreme right, when the right does not come close to representing the majority of Americans. What brain-dead fools are advising these candidates? I will vote for Obama - there needs to be a landslide to make it quite difficult for the computer manipulators to fiddle with the results. McCain is no better than Bush - and, unbelievably, might even be worse! We all need to work together to bring back the Constitution. That means voting for Obama and then being indefatigable and deafening in our demand for the rule of law to be re-estsablished. One more term of Republicans will be the certain death of the United States. Bush has already riddled the democracy with worms that are eating through the integrity of this nation. Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Liberals, Conservatives, Progressives - we must all stand together to restore respect for the Constitution and the rule of law. If we allow it to be taken from us, what are we?

I predict that Senator Obama

I predict that Senator Obama will have a front row seat to the complete demise of his campaign. He has done irreparable harm to himself and there is nothing he can do to fix it. A reversal of his positions only strengthens McCain. The Democratic base is unenthusiastic and uninspired at this point. I canvassed in Ohio in 12 inches of snow for Obama and I feel now like it was just a waste of my time. The thought of canvassing my neighborhood today just leaves me cold. And money-why continue to fund another corporate mouthpiece? George Carlin was right-if voting really mattered they wouldn't let you do it. REVOLUTION.

Consider this case scenario:

Consider this case scenario: Suppose Obama supported a filibuster and stopped this FISA abomination. Then consider "another" black flag operation happening soon after. At that point we would be burning Obama in effigy while the real criminals, Bush+co go on Scot Free saying over and over again, we told you so. Meanwhile our still terrorized population willingly allows them to suspend elections and declare Bush king for life or at the very least allow McCain to waltz into the White House. Either way the neocons win and we lose. We would get more done by declaring a sit down strike, refusing to work until gas prices go down. Hell at this point we may soon have to do that anyway! We'll have no other choice! Regardless of who becomes president, the fight for our civil liberties will continue indefinitely. At the very least we have a good opportunity to punish the republicans, even if it is only a symbolic punishment. Like many in here I too have considered voting for Nader. In fact I voted for Dennis Kucinich in the primary, not Obama. But if we do go the third party rout, do any of you believe for a moment the republicans wouldn't be ecstatic? Their constituents will always vote for them. They were calling McCain too liberal and even a traitor a few years ago and now he's their Jesus Christ! They will remain loyal to any republican no matter what, even if they hate his guts(and they now love McCain)! Picture Republican presidents over and over, only this time with the knowledge they can tramples us all they wish and get away with it regardless of what we the victims do! There is no doubt their hidden chant to us is: Yes! Vote for Nader! Our political durability depends upon it! Make no mistake, another neocon victory will only embolden them further. The answer is to remove them from office the best and most logical way we can! Do that for ten years and the republicans will be courting the Green Party and every other progressive in the nation just to get their foot back in the door! Meanwhile join the PDA and help get progressive democrats elected. And if Obama doesn't live up to our expectations, vote his ass out too! I'd rather deal with 4 years of Obama than 12 years of Bush and that is what we'll get if progressives suddenly abandon him and vote for the ever losing and no chance in hell, "oh no not that guy again," Ralph Nader!

Note well: the mainstream

Note well: the mainstream press gave Obama a fairly easy ride during his campaign, and a lot of attention (compare it to all candidates other than Clinton). Did it ever occur to anyone else that he was the candidate that the Republicans wanted to run against? Many elements make him beatable, including the tremendous promise of change that he represented. All they would have to do would be to dash this sense of promise and millions of citizens hoping for change would be once again disillusioned, and would likely not show up to vote, perhaps for several election cycles to come. Meanwhile, the stalwart Republicans would vote for "security" and the stage would be set for invading Iran. It may be that Clinton was right; we need someone who can fight dirty without pretending to do otherwise. A little stain on pure, clean dress shirt is far more disheartening than any stain on a tired old work shirt. Believe me, if Obama hadn't already sold out, he wouldn't be where he is. If we want to keep McCain out of the White House, bring back the tired old work shirt.

> Choose wisely, Mr.

> Choose wisely, Mr. Obama. This shouldn't even be a matter of 'choosing', this should be an automatic instinctive choice resulting in doing 'the right thing'. I'm not happy we're sliding down another 'cult of personality' slope.

It has happened before and

It has happened before and it will happen again.... Until we take personal responsibility for our own Country. There are many forms of denial all at varying degrees of strength. The main points of these varying degrees start with the stay the course mode, the I believe someone will save us from ourselves mode and the I don't care it is all BS mode. My intention is not to downplay belief but those who did put their energy into Obama with little information besides a sound bite (change) have committed to this fallacy that will soon play out again. It is imperative to actually right these problems rather than talk about who is evil or who is good. With that in mind I wonder if we can learn our lessons. I am sure many of you supporting either side of these coming elections heard a few people around you tell you that the entire system is rigged. We have never lived in a democracy. And Obama is going to do nothing different if elected. So now we stand at a place where we can learn. So the question is now that you have seen factual not theoretical evidence that Obama will be the same ole same ole I wonder if you will listen to the people who forsaw this when the entire change charade was playing out before our eyes. Will you listen to the truth sayers or will you just dump your responsibility on yet another elected official. Even if a president was the most benevolent being in the universe they could not remedy the problems we are facing in this Country nor would they be able to navigate the utterly corrupt and elite system that has hijacked our own ownership. There is only one post in here that is looking to a future solution and that is the one declaring it is time we build our own communities grow our own food and ultimately just turn away from the ruling classes. They have more than enough time to know exactly how this is all playing out in the future and the pony show they are displaying is only a ruse for the infighting going on inside the power scheme over who gets to go to the islands and who gets to go the bunkers. If we truly want to remedy the problems in our Country we will begin with ourselves. It is time we put aside the denial mask and put the truth one on. We do not get along with our neighbors, we do not talk to one another, we believe in game show hosts celebrities political elites and famous sports heroes instead of believing in ourselves. The current crisis in our governance is a direct result of our own behavior. We have passed off responsibility so many times that we do not even know what it means to take ownership of our communities, our own lands or our own person. The demons playing out the role of evil before us are merely a microcosm of all the skeletons we have shoved into our closets. When we realize this and when we realize we are the force that keeps the status quo in a never ending loop by ceding our power to two supposed polar opposites. To conclude and this statement might seem extreme but unless we as a societal body take our own personal responsibility for the evils that plague our world we will need even greater evil to force a correction. At current since the signs and truths were ignored again we may need a president Mc Cain to bring even greater clarity to our wholesale ignorance and denial. This does not mean that in the interim we can not create local solutions to this great serpent coursing through our streets but it does mean that as a collective we failed again to see the larger perspective that would have freed us from the chains that bind. Pay attention to people who "don't make sense" they may be foretelling of the future. Recognize that the average person is united in the most high of causes and start looking at the world in similarities rather than differences. Look in the mirror and realize real change begins within and there is no one person that can fix the problems we are facing. good luck all, this is going to be one hell of a ride.

Well, I stopped voting for

Well, I stopped voting for the lesser of two evils in 2000. I didn't trust Obomba because he didn't worry the corporate media. Ralph can't get air-time, you don't see Cynthia McKinney on TV, that's a simple way to figure out who is trustworthy. John Edwards was good, but the corporate media took him out because he made it clear who he was intending to work for: us. I would have voted for him, but then I never would have had the opportunity. I'm voting for Ralph. I think voting for third parties is the best way to let these bastards know who's boss, and that we are done buying their BS. Just because Dems are considered the liberals doesn't make it so. Look at their votes and with whom they meet (referring to Obomba and McClinton's grovelling to AIPAC), if you want to see their real loyalties. Look into HR 847 and 1955. Google them, and pay attention. And look into who voted for them! Cowards! And you still think voting for the lesser of two evils is the best choice? WTF is wrong with your mind? If you're too scared to vote for someone you trust and believe in, don't expect politicians to have more balls than you.

Increase you're

Increase you're contributions to progressive causes. Help elect legislators to keep a check on him, BUT remember another 4 years of Bush and we lose the court for decades.

We've been played. They set

We've been played. They set us up, raising our hopes, so they could be dashed and we'd all retreat into cynicism and despair - disillusioned, disengaged, disempowered, and politically disorganized. We were drawn in, believing we would be delivered from the rise of fascism, only to be shown that their reality is the only reality. We can't give in. The reality is that the United States are irreparably divided. Let the red states have their "security" and the blue states have freedom. The Constitution that bound us has been broken. We the people made it, and we the people can unmake it. Instead of lobbying our representatives to impeach, let us lobby them for state independence.

For those who feel they must

For those who feel they must choose McCain or obama, you do that. For those like myself, who believe we must NOT vote for either, but rather vote for a candidate who supports the Constitution, we are voting for what we believe in-America under the law. Since when is that a foolish thing to do? Oh yeah, a vote not for one is a vote for the other. If that is the "Honest" truth, why are there more than two-names on the ballot for President every four years? What am I missing? Right, third parties never win. Glad Lincoln stayed a Whig...

Of course it was an

Of course it was an important vote. Maybe too important. No one's mentioning the Wellstone scenario. What if the malfunction that caused the unscheduled landing in St. Louis last week was a warning? What would you do if you were Obama and you knew that it was a warning? Is it worth risking the death of the movement you are trying to build (not to mention the devastation to your daughters) just to make a point? Obama knows we don't have his back. If we had the necessary courage, we would have been in the streets when Wellstone was killed. But no, we all pretend it was pilot error, because if we admitted otherwise, well, we'd have to do something about it, wouldn't we? So Obama has to factor in what would happen if his plane went down. Would the movement just fizzle? A good community organizer doesn't take on battles that he knows the community hasn't built enough strength yet to win. When Obama says it's not about him, it's about us, he's not kidding. He can't do much so long as we are cowed. We should stop mooing about this vote (and no, I don't like it either) and start looking in the mirror.

Well said, Marc Ash! I

Well said, Marc Ash! I cannot say it better. Obama has demonstrated to everyone that he is capable of lying - just like most politicians. He can back track his own words in exchange for political expedience. I have taken down Obama sign off my lawn and have stopped all campaign support for him, including the cancellation of my $1,000 check. Then again, Obama does not need my money. He gets all he wants from the telcom companies he's done 'favors' to. The US has nothing to be proud of any more.

It's diffiicult enough to go

It's diffiicult enough to go down the 911 truth rabbit hole and learn about the history of false flag terror...but when the reality of disastor capitalism, deep governments, illegal drug/weapon sales/money laundering hits you , it becomes overwhelming and very difficult to trust anyone. I feel like I'm living in a nightmare version of the Truman Show. I tried to support Obama after Kucinich and Edwards dropped out, but what little hope I had is gone. For the most part even "progressive" media talks as if Bush "won" two elections because Gore and Kerry had poor campaigns and treats the millions of people who are not buying into the government's 911 conspiracy theory as nuts. It's like living in a family where sexual abuse is denied/ignored by everyone, including the victims.

Arika stated "I didn't trust

Arika stated "I didn't trust Obomba because he didn't worry the corporate media." Just wanted to say THANK YOU for saying it so perfectly! I am shocked at how many 'open minded' people cant see this...The down side is that if anyone thinks that Obama has not already been crowned President all they need to do is see the media's glorification of him. He will be president bcz our 'minders' have decided it long ago. There is a plan B, of course, that will be put into effect if it looks like Obama's campaign ios collapsing. Both plans spell disaster for the Nation and the World.

I never stopped saying that

I never stopped saying that Obama is NOTHING like what all the fools said. There was one or two truly great candidates in both parties. Ron Paul in the reps and Mike Gravel. maybe Kucinich even. BUT none of the media endorsed candidates were anything but more of the same old same old.

Idealism is terrific, but it

Idealism is terrific, but it doesn't win elections in America. Without power, there is no change. If you are to be a change agent, you must survive. Life is full of compromises. Each one posting here has made one or two in their lives. In this presidential campaign, a well-known arena of anything goes pragmatism, it seems odd to hear the wailing of idealism, especially while Rome burns, and especially on this issue. If you think things will get better by maintaining the status quo or voting for another imagined pristine candidate, think again.This ship of state is one iceberg away from becoming Titanic II. While I too am disappointed in the FISA vote, I don't have all the facts behind it. (and neither does any poster here, for that matter). Squander opportunity if you will, but this is not the issue that I'm going to fall on my sword over.

Any chance we can get

Any chance we can get Hillary back?

Well said. I'm a

Well said. I'm a 51y.o.-white-male-Navy-veteran from Arizona. I am also what has come to be termed an Obamican. I suppose I am the voter that Senator Obama's "move to the center" is targeting. If that is the case, his handlers don't have a clue. When I joined the Navy I pledged ". . . to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution . . ."; a pledge he should recognize. His disregard of that pledge has turned me from an unabashed supporter, to someone who will vote for him through clenched teeth.

After reading all the

After reading all the comments about this article, I am changing my opinion. Obama should have voted no to the fisa bill. I am still voting for him because voting for a third party candidate will be a vote for McSame and I don't mind having a lesser boll weevil.

What everyone who votes for

What everyone who votes for Obama fails to realize is that McSame is no different than Obama. they are both bought and sold by the same corporate interests and to think differently is by definition insanity. Do some research into this foreign policy advisor (hint: Zbigniew Brzezinski) and see if this is an "anti-war" policy or anything but American Hegemony.

This just goes to show that

This just goes to show that Obama is for change. Small change for us & the big dollars remaining with the unethical, corrupt corporations. Down with the illegal Federal Reserve, IRS, military-industrial complex, paid lobbyists, double think tanks & a US GOVERNMENT run on corrupt blood for oil, cocaine & opium lined 3 piece suited money laundering, for us or against us politics.

OBama has betrayed our

OBama has betrayed our trust. Draft Joe Biden in Denver. All support should be withdrawn.

Giving in and voting for the

Giving in and voting for the lesser of two evils is the same as his "yea" vote. If you are voting for him anyway, don't make us read your grumbling! You're selling out just like he did! That means that most of the people in this country are sell-outs. So like attracts like. We don't get to bitch about our leaders unless we are BETTER, have MORE courage than they!!! If you can't do better than they, shut the hell up. Look in the mirror, and start working on improving your own actions and integrity. And I am taking my own advice. I look in the mirror every day. I drive less, try to be aware of when I'm thinking people are in MY way, like who the hell am I that I have a right to think that? It's not MY freeway, it's OUR freeway. We are all responsible, so we all have to look at ourselves, not THEM. The world, all its resources, does not belong to the US, even though we all behave like they do belong to us. Resources, people, all fodder for Corporate America, and we buy their crap, so we are part of the problem, not the solution! If WE aren't willing to change, we have to stop expecting better of THEM, because they reflect us!

I think people are

I think people are overreacting to the revised FISA bill. Most of what I have found on it states that it only grants telecoms civil immunity. Nothing in it really solidly gives the telecom companies any other form of immunity, nor does it necessarily grant those in power immunity from prosecution once they are out of office. I find it disheartening that a single issue, even one that has so much to do with the rule of law, can turn people away from the single ray of light that has shone through these last eight years of darkness. I realize that many of our leaders - Democrats and Republicans alike - have let the American people down and been derelict in their duties. But has it gotten so bad that we turn on the one good thing we have going because he makes one decision we don't agree with? It is such an amazing and historic time we are living in, and people are willing to give up on this moment, give up on hope and truth and change because of one single issue. Obama has not betrayed anyone's trust. How could he, if you never trusted him to begin with? That people are so willing to turn on him, to take his lawn sign down, to proclaim that he has lost their vote, to not have the faith that once elected he will do what is right, this shows that you had no faith or trust in the man to begin with, and if that is the case then perhaps Obama does not need your vote this November. But he still has my vote, and my trust that we can get our country back on the right path. One man isn't going to set things right, folks, we all have to be in this together.

Yes. Vote Green! Do not be

Yes. Vote Green! Do not be cowed into voting for those who talk of homeland security yet have not taken the time to write a law that keeps lead out of children's toys. What kind of culture allows lead in children's toys? Vote Green! Vote for a real future. Garrett

any chance we can make the

any chance we can make the Dems draft Dennis for Prez?

That said I agree with Arika comletely. you Obozos need to either quit your whining or put your votes where your whining mouths are. Contrary to what y'all have been brainwashed to believe, we do have more than 2 choices on the ballot. May I suggest we all pull together & choose Cynthia McKinney this fall? If she gets just 5% of the vote the Greens will become a legit Major Party. If having another party to contend with doesn't make the Dems straighten up & fly proper I don't know what will. And if they don't, who cares? We'll have our own voice at the table thru a party that will run true progressives for office. High flippin time too.

To those who think voting

To those who think voting for Obama would be choosing the lesser of two evils and insist that the right thing to do is to vote for a third party candidate, I am an Independent and just want to say that if you had voted for Al Gore in 2000, we wouldn't be in Iraq right now. That's what you get when you let the greater evil win because of your principles. No, I don't think Nader voters caused Gore's defeat; there's so much that went into that debacle. However, I personally know Nader voters who later regretted their decision, and I think there are enough of them (not to mention those that were fooled into voting for dubya) that the person who was elected president in 2000 would have been the same person who was sworn in in 2001, we would not now be at war in Iraq, Afghanistan would be a far more peaceful place, and hundreds of thousand of American (and millions of Iraqi) lives would not have been destroyed or damaged. I fervently hope that someone from Senator Obama's office reads this letter and these comments and that those who have been turned off by Obama's vote on the FISA bill and those who are considering voting for a third party re-evaluate their decisions.

Obama's vote for FISA is the

Obama's vote for FISA is the most frustrating thing since electronic vote tabulation devices. It closes the corruption accountability loop. We can't get you RATS out, and we can't ORGANIZE to force you out, a giant catch 22. To further infuriate by telling folks they don't have another choice, in other words vote Obama, Hobson's Choice. Puts us in a far more dangerous situation than it's PR spin presents. Obama wasn't my first choice for candidate, after my 1st and subsequent choices were incrementally eliminated by the fascist corporate media, I settled with Obama. But after FISA, to be honest, I don't know if I even want to vote at all anymore, and alternatively I think maybe if I just sit back and wait instead until some RAT breaks the constitution against me personally, then take direct action against that specific situation.

Also, in addition to my

Also, in addition to my "catch 22" thoughts. I remember early on Obama taking over a MySpace account, I know a lot of people let it go, and even I said I'd let it go, but at the time it raised red flags for me. Now with FISA more red flags are raised. Even if our votes are counted (which you can not prove by validation) I honestly can't say I support Obama. And for a small while I did support him. Now I see comments of people not being able to get meaningful feedback. More red flags. To be clear, McCaine is not an option. But IS Obama?!

The Truth is worth

The Truth is worth knowing. The burdcns of a Criminal Case far exceed those of a Civil one so at best your vote has added to the problems of finding out the truth of the domestic spying. That is what the public wants and deserves. The Truth of the nature and dimensions of the illegal actions of the Bush Administration. Why did our chief Spook and the Attorney General make such a demand that this section be excised from the FISA legislation. If it stayed would we find uncover their possible treachery and the abandonment of their vows to support the Constitution. Now, we may never know. Not honorable Barrack.

Obama's FISA vote and the

Obama's FISA vote and the way the Democratic congress always caves and gives this corrupt preznut anything he wants has caused me to change my status from Democrat to Independent. I am seriously considering alternate presidential contenders. From what I have seen since we elected a majority to congress and having Obama lie to us about FISA I am really having a hard time seeing any difference between the Democratic and Republican parties. They both try to sell themselves by pandering to different people to get into office so they can take advantage to all the perks including giving themselves hefty pay raises and selling their votes for more perks. When it all comes down to what we get, the majority are a bunch of lying thugs who don't give a rats ass about the constitution or bill of rights. Obama or McCain, Republican or Democratic congress, all the same. At one time there were differences but politics is so corrupt that it is all about power and money for them, not those of us who work to hold this country together. I had high hopes for Obama. While he was working for our donations and our votes he tickled our ears. Now he will tickle the ears of whomever has the most money and we all know it is not the average US citizen. It just didn't take long to corrupt him I guess.

to pallas athena: this is no

to pallas athena: this is no longer about voting for a president anymore. It's about getting the damn country back. I voted for Gore in 2000. What did it get me? Squat. As somebody else pointed out, the Dems would like us to think we have a Hobson's choice of the lesser of 2 evils & to just hold our collective noses & vote. This is BS. As long as we continue to vote for their bs candidates, we will continue to get same old same old. We've been down this road before. You do know the definition of insanity, don't you? It's past time to try a new tack. Presidents come & go every 4 to 8 years. Congress is what we need to target. The best way to fix Congress, imho, is to throw another party in the mix. The way to do that is for another party's Presidential candidate to get 5% of the vote in a Presidential election. This is your true choice: you can either hold your nose & vote, & continue to send this country down it's corrupt path to god knows what. Or you can take a chance on Cynthia, & help the Greens get their 5%. If enough of us did this, we could actually affect some real change for once.

as for reconsidering my vote, there's nothing to reconsider. I have never had to hold my nose & vote & I'm not gonna start doing it this year. I sincerely hope nobody else does either.

Obama = Clinton 2 The

Obama = Clinton 2 The powermasters have become once again transparent to those with good critical thinking skills. Obama's job was to bring the left back into the Democratic fold but now is blatantly, sloppily showing his true colors. They seem to forget that we went through the Clinton betrayal and are very alert to the clues. The first clue was Obama and the media's trashing of Rev. Wright and it all went downhill from there. Yes my friends Obama is indeed just another version of Bill Clinton. Vote for Nader or vote for the Green Party. It's the only way a liberal can keep their self respect. Screw the Republicrats.