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Do Native Americans Have First Amendment Rights?

by: Leslie Thatcher, t r u t h o u t | Interview

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The San Francisco Peaks are visible from many parts of the Southwest's Four Corners and have been sacred to at least 13 recognized Native American tribes for at least as long as Europeans have been in the country. Northern Arizona University Professor Miguel Vasquez described the argument that only a part of the Peaks are affected by the planned spraying of up to 1.5 million gallons a day of effluent for snowmaking as "equivalent to saying it's O.K. to piss in St. Peter's as long as you only do it in one corner." (Photo: Calvin Johnson / Save the Peaks Coalition)

    Ninth Circuit rules effluent does not defile sacred space. Forest Service argued skiing on treated sewage "a compelling government interest."

    The San Francisco Peaks of Northern Arizona "are sacred to at least 13 formally recognized Indian tribes ... and this religious significance is of centuries duration."(1) In February 2005, the US Forest Service issued a Final Environmental Impact Statement and Record of Decision approving a proposal to make artificial snow using treated sewage effluent at the Snowbowl Resort located on Humphrey's Peak, the highest and - to the tribes - most holy of the San Francisco Peaks. That decision was appealed by the Navajo Nation, the Hopi Tribe, the Havasupai Tribe, the Hualapai Tribe, the Yavapai-Apache Nation and the White Mountain Apache Nation. The Circuit Court ruled for the Forest Service. In February 2007, a three-judge panel of the Ninth Circuit Court unanimously overturned the lower court's decision. On Friday, August 8, 2008, the en banc majority of the Ninth Circuit Court ruled that "using treated sewage effluent to make artificial snow on the most sacred mountain of southwestern Indian tribes does not violate the Religious Freedom Restoration Act ('RFRA'). It also holds that a supposed pleading mistake prevents the tribes from arguing under the National Environmental Act ('NEPA') that the Forest Service failed to consider the likelihood that children and others would ingest snow made from the effluent."(2)

    On August 18, Leslie Thatcher, of Truthout, spoke with the Navajo Nation's lead attorney in the case, Howard Shanker, who is also running in the Democratic primary for Arizona Congressional District One, the seat currently held by retiring Representative Rick Renzi (R-Arizona), presently under indictment for extortion, wire fraud, money laundering, and other charges related to an Arizona land deal.

    Leslie Thatcher, for Truthout: Howard, what do you consider the most important issues in the Snowbowl case to be?

    The San Francisco Peaks are federal land and the government has documented for years that the Peaks - especially Humphreys where Snowbowl is located - are sacred to local tribes. Nonetheless, the Feds issued a special use permit to operate a ski resort there that was unsuccessfully challenged in the 1970's. Most recently, the Forest Service ruled that the resort could pipe up to 1.5 million gallons of treated sewage effluent to the resort for snowmaking in winters when natural snowfall is inadequate. The tribes have appealed that ruling.

    The central issue that's going on and that's really important is that Native tribes have no First Amendment rights when it comes to government land-use decisions. And the federal government holds thousands of acres of land across the country that the tribes hold sacred. Up until we used the Religious Freedom Restoration Act [RFRA] successfully, there was no way for the tribes to challenge federal use of sacred lands. Now, they have to show there is a compelling government interest and that they are using the least restrictive means of furthering that compelling government interest when government action substantially burdens the exercise of religion.

    The current ruling is that there is no substantial burden on the exercise of religion. The judges have said there is no objective evidence of impact on religious belief and practice.

    Short of producing God in the courtroom, there's no way to produce "objective" evidence. A Navajo elder testified that putting effluent on the mountain would be like raping his mother. Other testimonies - the sincerity of which were never challenged - described the disruptions to the spiritual world and contamination of the ritual purity of materials essential to Native ceremonies that spraying the effluent would result in.

    The en banc court adopted a very restrictive reading of "Sherbet and Yoder" that does not seem to speak to the statute. In any event, spraying the Peaks can certainly be interpreted as a form of punishment or coercion.

    The tribes appealed the Forest Service decision under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA) rather than the First Amendment to the US Constitution. Can you explain how the RFRA differs from the First Amendment and why Congress passed the act?

    In "Smith," the Supreme Court said laws of general application can't constitute a general burden under the Constitution. So then, Congress passed RFRA to say that even though a law may be of general applicability, if it results in a substantial burden to the exercise of religion, you have to do this balancing of interests. Then in 2003, Congress passed the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act [RLUIPA] amending and broadening RFRA's definition of "exercise of religion."

    The Ninth Circuit Court dissent, written by Judge Fletcher, joined by Judges Pregerson and Fisher, notes that "Under our prior case law, a 'substantial burden' on the 'exercise of religion' exists where government action prevents an individual 'from engaging in [religious] conduct or having a religious experience' and the interference is 'more than an inconvenience.'" Can you explain how spraying up to 1.5 million gallons of effluent a day on the sacred mountains burdens the various plaintiff tribes' exercise of religion?

    For the Hopi, the Mountain is where the Katsina live; that's their only sacred mountain; the Katsina are responsible for making the moisture that is essential to Hopi life. It was on Mt. Humphreys that the Hopi had their revelation and they return there for pilgrimages.

    For the Navajo, it's one of four sacred mountains, but it is essential to all blessing way ceremonies which depend on ritually pure materials gathered from the mountain.

    The tribes see the Peaks as a single living entity; this is a living being. You can't poison just one part of it without poisoning the whole.

    One man testified that current ski runs are like a scar on the body, something the body can live with, but that putting effluent on the Peaks is like a toxic injection.

    For the Apache, the mountain is where souls go after death; the transfer station of souls to Heaven and the spraying will interfere with that operation.

    For both the Hualapai and the Navajo, the mountain is their Garden of Eden, where life started.

    The government has never questioned the specific special holiness of these mountains to the Native tribes. In fact, in the very beginning, the National Historic Preservation Act uses the Peaks as an example of a sacred space.

    Do I understand correctly that the Forest Service essentially admitted the burden to the tribes' exercise of their religion, but argued there was a "compelling government interest" in allowing snowmaking? What interest is that?

    The lower court found that we didn't show substantial burden, but it also found that the federal government had compelling interest in skier safety. That makes no sense since the best way of eliminating the possibility of accidents would be to ban skiing entirely. The lower court found there was a compelling government interest - you have to understand, compelling government interest is a very heavy-duty term, the kind of thing they wield to prevent epidemics - in government land management, although the Forest Service specifically said that the absence of snowmaking would not prevent recreational land use. Finally, the lower court ruled that there was a compelling interest because NOT spraying artificial snow would create "religious servitude," as though failing to injure a religion created religious servitude.

    In the dissent, Judge Fletcher writes, "The Majority's misunderstanding of the nature of religious belief and exercise as merely 'subjective' is an excuse for refusing to accept the Indians' religion as worthy of protection under the RFRA." Can you explain the difference in the three-judge panel understanding of what religion is versus that of the en banc majority?

    I don't know; is that the difference between Democrats and Republicans? Seriously, the majority of the en banc panel becomes arbiters of religion, whereas what they're supposed to do is make a determination that a religion is sincere and then rule in accord with the law. The last thing we want is for our judges to become arbiters of religion.

    The majority ruled that the use of effluent on the Peaks would change only the tribes' "subjective spiritual experience." In the dissent, Judge Fletcher suggested a thought experiment: What if the government ordered that all water in baptismal fonts had to be this same treated sewage effluent? How can non-Native people be sensitized to the Peaks' position as Sinai, Jerusalem, the sole source of living waters, the home of the deities for the plaintiff tribes?

    I don't know the answer, but that's exactly right; that's what needs to happen. I'm outraged; I get all choked up when I talk about it or think about it.

    As a nation where we pay lip service to and pride ourselves on religious freedom and religious diversity, it's outrageous that we designate Native Americans and their religious beliefs for lesser treatment, and that's one reason I'm running for Congress.

    I understand that all across the United States, the Snowbowl case is a primary concern of Native Americans in their dealings with the United States government and its agencies. What possible repercussions does this case have locally and nationally?

    Native Americans have no First Amendment rights and can't protect their sacred sites. Of course they're upset about it. It's a politically charged issue.

    In the end, you have a for-profit, private, federal government bailout for a private corporation doomed by global warming at the cost of desecrating land sacred to hundreds of thousands of people.

    The majority also disallowed a pleading in violation of NEPA for technical legal reasons. What specific issues did the NEPA fail to address?

    The Environmental Impact Study did not address the probability of children and others eating the snow.

    The court ruled against us on all our environmental issues.

    The first panel ruled in our favor on the NEPA issue that no analysis had been conducted on snow eating, so the en banc Ninth Circuit concocted a procedural irregularity rather than ruling. We had also pleaded that the NEPA never considered the impact of withdrawing the present daily discharge into the Rio de Flag versus spraying it on the mountain. The other NEPA issue was that there was no adequate response to the report by Dr. Paul Torrence on endocrine-disrupting and other chemical residues in the treated effluent.

    After the sewage is treated, what chemicals, bacteria and viruses remain in the effluent that will be used to make snow?

    Detectable levels of enteric bacteria, viruses and protozoa, including Cryptosporidium and Giardia.

    There's not only a host of what they call endocrine-disruptors, which feminize amphibians, but also traces of birth control drugs, Viagra, Prozac, Valium, Claritin and other pharmaceuticals. There is Triclosan, which breaks down to become dioxin, the active agent in Agent Orange, and a number of other chemicals.

    The lawyers for the other side got up and declared that the effluent meets drinking water standards, but the fact is that when they test drinking water, they don't test for the stuff that's in industrial or other waste water, so that was a completely misleading statement.

    Did the Forest Service evaluate the impact of long-term exposure to the effluent for humans or the environment?

    No.

    The NEPA was contracted by the Snowbowl owner to a company that specializes in the development and construction of ski areas. Did the case address the inherent conflict of interest of having the environmental impact assessed by a company reasonably likely to profit from a specific outcome?

    No, that's what they always do. The three-judge panel questioned the Justice Department lawyer as to whether the Justice Department or the Forest Service were getting money, but that didn't go anywhere.

    What do you think?

    I think the whole thing stinks. I think the Forest Service never should have approved this in the first place. In the lower court, we also had a number of other allegations. Now we're just talking about the ones that went up on appeal.

    Do you expect the tribes to appeal the current decision to the Supreme Court?

    I do.

    Would you expect the Supreme Court to hear the case?

    You know, they hear very few cases, but I suspect they might hear this one.

    How do you think it would go?

    If we don't think it'll go well, we'd have to talk about whether to do it or not. But I think my clients are pretty adamant about appealing. This is really important to them.

    Howard how have you been personally affected by arguing this case?

    This has been a learning experience for me and a growing experience for me and I am personally committed to doing whatever it takes to continue this struggle. The fight for justice didn't begin today, but it also doesn't end today,

    You live and work in Flagstaff. What attitudes characterize non-Native American locals to the snow-making issue?

    It's depends. There are a lot of non-Natives and people of all walks of life, people of conscience, who support the tribes. There are some people who are just skiers and that's the beginning and the end of it for them. Then there are some people who are opposed. The Flagstaff Chamber of Commerce is collecting money and giving it to the millionaire's consortium to fight this case.

    Flagstaff Chamber of Commerce President Julie Pastrick argues that the decision will lead to year-round job creation and higher winter receipts at local businesses. Is that accurate so far as you know?

    The record shows Snowbowl pays no city taxes and accounts for less than 1 percent of the Bed Board and Beverage taxes collected by the city. There is literally no correlation between Snowbowl doing well and local businesses doing well. Studies actually show Flagstaff does better when streets are clear in the winter since it's a regional shopping hub. Channel 2 came and asked me about that, and when I showed them the statistics, they went back to the Chamber of Commerce and they said the Chamber said, "Shanker should mind his own business."

    You know the Chamber organizes the Fourth of July parade, and when I signed up to put in a Shanker for Congress float, they put it last in the parade and told me any money I gave would go to the "Reclaim the Peaks" campaign.

    There's a lot of racially-driven commentary and whispering campaigns, like, "the Indians really want to keep everybody out," which is ridiculous since "everybody" is already there, and that they want to build a casino on the Peaks, which is even more ridiculous when you know the parties involved. There's a rumor that Sunrise Resort in the White Mountains uses reclaimed water, but that mountain is not sacred; that land is not federal and the water being used is not sewage.

    You are running in the September 2nd primary to become the Democratic candidate to represent Arizona's First District. What led you to enter the race?

    As I said earlier, this case has been a big factor.

    What are the most serious issues facing the District at this time? How does your approach differ from that of the other Democratic candidates?

    This is the largest geographic district in the nation that's not one state and it's incredibly diverse. The district comprises the Navajo Nation and other tribes, Flagstaff and Sedona, the mining towns of Miami and Globe and a new residential division south of Phoenix, so there are a lot of different issues facing the different parts of the District. I've been really honored by some of the endorsements, like that of the Diné Hataalii Association (Navajo Medicine Men) who have never endorsed a candidate before. I also represent the Navajo on uranium contamination issues.

    My approach is really not driven by party affiliation or ideology and I found out it is much more progressive. I've been endorsed by the Progressive Democrats of America. I'm running as a Democrat, but I frankly think both the Republicans and the Democrats running have an interest in maintaining the status quo. And the status quo is broken.

    Thank you, Howard Shanker.

    Thank you. And please remind any registered Democrats in Arizona's District One to vote in the September 2 primary!

    End Note: Judge Fletcher concluded his dissent from the majority opinion:

    The San Francisco Peaks have been at the center of religious beliefs and practices of Indian tribes of the Southwest since time out of mind. Humphrey's Peak, the holiest of the San Francisco peaks, will from this time forward be desecrated and spiritually impure. In part, the majority justifies its holding on the ground that what it calls "public park land" is land that "belongs to everyone." Maj. op. at 10042. There is a tragic irony in this justification. The United States government took this land from the Indians by force. The majority now uses that forcible deprivation as a justification for spraying treated sewage effluent on the holiest of the Indians' holy mountains, and for refusing to recognize this action constitutes a substantial burden on the Indians' exercise of their religion.

    RFRA was passed to protect the exercise of all religions, including the religions of American Indians. If Indians' land-based exercise of religion is not protected by RFRA in this case, I cannot imagine a case in which it will be. I am truly sorry the majority has effectively read American Indians out of RFRA. (1)

    (1) Dissent in Navajo Nation v. USFS. pp.10077-78.
    (2) Ibid., p. 10076.
    (3) Ibid., p. 10137.

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    Leslie Thatcher is Truthout's French Language Editor.

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Does anybody remember Roger

Does anybody remember Roger Mapplethorpe and Jesse Helms' little foxtrot around the piece, "Piss Christ"? How is this different? Oh, right, we're talking about MONEY here. Hypocritical profiteering is the only thing sacred to the neocons.

i have been to flagstaff

i have been to flagstaff several times. Never again will i contribute one penny to their economy!!!!!

Sounds like some

Sounds like some privatization scheme against the common population that this elite corporate communistic government has allowed. It is now the 21st Century and time for the United States government to stop destroying the common population which includes Native Americans. Desecrating Native American Holy Places is truly a violation of the Constitution. All Native Americans have as many Constitutional rights as the common population have, when Native American rights are taken away, so are the rights of 70% of the population of the United States, the common population. The 20% genteel common population, that call themselves the Professional Class, may think they are not the common population but they are, and it is time for them to learn who they are and stand up for democracy for any and all members of the common population before there is no democracy for any. When all are added together, the common population is above 90% of the entire population being pushed around by only a few, the minority of elite corporate capitalists.

of course, if the table were

of course, if the table were turned (i.e. we were talking about a 'Christian' holy land) the decision would have been diametrically opposite. It's not just that this is about money, it's about a religious belief which, in truth, the judges do not recognize and/or respect.

So what's new here? NO ONE

So what's new here? NO ONE has any First Amendment Rights... or ANY real rights at all for that matter! Who's kidding who with all this talk of RIGHTS? The only right you have is to SHUT UP AND DO WHAT THEY TELL YOU TO DO RIGHT NOW!... OR ELSE!!!!

I went to Big Mountain in

I went to Big Mountain in July of 1986 to support the Dineh grandmothers who had traveled the country that spring asking for help in holding on to the sacred lands targeted by Peabody, a mining company that wanted the low sulfur coal and uranium located under these ancient burial grounds. The governor of Arizona had threatened to forcibly remove the courageous elders who absolutely refused to abandon the lands their families had stewarded for so long. The Arizona governor backed down that summer, but life on Big Mountain is still fraught with uncertainty from what I understand. There has always been a lack of understanding of the Native Nations' spirituality among the right-wing "Christians" (in contrast to actual Christians who are wonderful and unfortunately all too rare) because they are mainly motivated by fear instead of being inspired by beauty. These types dominate the current Supreme Court, and they may be completely oblivious to the impact of the tainted "snow" on our practices and feelings. These "Christians" don't really participate in their own religion, since it is mainly based on spectating and hedging ones' bets; just in case the fundamentalist narrative is true and there really is some big judgmental guy up there keeping score. If that narrative is true then it is just a big pissing contest anyway, starting with God and moving on down the line to the Supreme Court who then pisses on all of us. With all this pissing, what's the big deal deal about a bit more piss on a mountain? This limited frame for religion (which is synonymous with spiritually to many) is a far cry from the experiences offered by religions that see the creator in everyone and everything and encourage us to walk our talk in as much beauty as we can possibly cultivate. It is truly difficult to refrain from judging those who do not understand our ways, but I try to remember that everyone has their comfort zone on this journey that is Source. We cannot expect the majority judges on this case to understand us because it may not be possible. Perhaps they are just mean spirited or cynical or greedy, but unless they have stock in the ski lodge, greed can't really explain it. Mean spirited, cynical and ignorant? Perhaps that is the answer. It is sad, though, to see those with a narrow view impose their beliefs on those who, like the eagle, fly higher and see farther. Some sacred Native teachings state that our spiritual energy and awareness are increased by beauty, and if you accept that, then it is pretty easy to see a direct correlation between spraying icky snow on a beautiful and beloved place rich in history and continuity and the obstruction of those religions that depend on the place. It would have to interfere with the natural beauty of the mountain and disgust the powerful spirits who dwell there. I'm disgusted just reading about it, and finally must wonder "What were they thinking?"

Who wants to ski on sewage

Who wants to ski on sewage even if it's been treated? Gives a whole new meaning to yellow snow.

It seems a stretch to argue

It seems a stretch to argue that there is any "compelling government interest" when it comes to ski resorts. I hope the appeals court will realized that the lower court erred in its determination.

I have represented the

I have represented the traditional Hopi Elders (Dan Evehema, David Monongye, Martin Gashweseoma, Earl Pela, Thomas Banyacya and the others) on more than one occasion at the United Nations. Please allow me, then, to suggest that everyone who reads this article also read my "Appeal to Al Gore and and the American People" at Leonardo DiCaprio's 11thhouraction.com (you might also want to read my "Four Corners: Jerusalem of the Americas, Lexam Explorations and 2012," posted at Thomas Paine's Corner). Both essays are concerned with the impending destruction of the Baca National Wildlife Refuge by ConocoPhillips, perhaps the foremost corporate power behind Senator McCain (there are many others as well). The Baca Refuge is part of the Great Sand Dunes National Park at the foot of the Sacred Mountain of the East, Sisnaajini/Blanca, Mountain of the Dawn, counterpart of Humphrey's Peak, the Sacred Mountain of the West. President Gore, citing APOCALYPSE 11:18, has foretold for us the consequence of desecrating these two mountains and the larger Sacred Scripture Circle of Hopi prophecy: "The Bible says God will destroy those who are destroying His creation." Before it's too late, do this search at Google: John McCain+ Navajo+Hopi+genocide.

The day of this ruling was a

The day of this ruling was a very sad and shameful day, indeed. One more monumental decision that places the "almighty dollar" before our natural environment and those peoples who truly understand and respect its significance. And how disappointing that the Flagstaff Chamber of Commerce would support this desecration.

The first amendment also

The first amendment also includes free speech. Perhaps the defense and supportive residents can put up billboards and yard signs warning people of the sewage snow at the resort. Some national media coverage of the issue would also hurt the resort business. The decisions seem to be made according to the laws of commerce and power politics instead of the constitution. So the tribes might do better to re-direct the defense to an offense and fight in the arena of commerce and public opinion.

The Ninth Circuit used to be

The Ninth Circuit used to be the sole court that upheld the true public interest, and protected Constitutional rights for all. It's appalling to realize that their current coterie of judges is as tainted toward corporate interests as those in the other circuits. With all the ski resorts in the western states, surely the four peaks sacred to all the Native American tribes named in the article could have been spared this desecration. Making artificial snow from sewage is the ultimate affront. Where is Tony Hillerman now that his tribal friends need him?

I lived in Flagstaff from

I lived in Flagstaff from 1976-1982 and, during that time, the Native Americans were trying to get the Snow Bowl closed. One of the cynical remarks made was that the tribal elders didn't hesitate to go up the mountain on the ski-lift though to do their religious rites. Because of history, Native Americans have some rights the average American citizen doesn't have. Their reservations are sovereign territories in the midst of the USA. Words like the Navajo Nation actually mean that. They are self governing. I personally wouldn't want to ski on reclaimed sewage, but I'm not a ski enthusiast either. The US owns the peaks and should have final say as to what goes on there. There are many religious beliefs of various religions that are illegal in this country. Mormons believe in polygamy and blood atonement, but they are technically not allowed to marry more than one person at a time or to execute their members for murder or adultery. Some cults believe in smoking pot or taking other drugs that are illegal at this time. Religious freedom doesn't mean the freedom to do anything one believes; it means practicing so far as USA law permits. I personally believe much of this ado is an attempt for Native Americans to gain a little more power than they now have. I don't doubt the Snow Bowl could be more of a benefit to the city of Flagstaff, but since it came by way of the federal government, it probably isn't being run strictly for the benefit of the Flagstaff business community.

I find this disgusting to

I find this disgusting to the core. Nothing less than government and court sanctioned sacrilege of the most offensive kind. And for what purpose? Entertainment. Apart from the sacrilege, there is also the purely pragmatic issue of Native American children coming into direct contact with all these poisons. And yeah, who'd want to ski on snow made of this toxic stew?????? Shall we assume the proprietors of the resort will post warnings for their customers? "Warning: Do not eat or fall down in the snow. It is highly toxic and hazardous to your health." Right ...

If you think this is unjust

If you think this is unjust then (google) "Black Mesa Peabody McCain" Genocide in the great United States of America

I am Native American. I do

I am Native American. I do not attend any religious institution.Some people associate a persons affiliation with a religion as a sign of a good person.The biggest hypocrites use the church as a front.God is Mother Nature.She is beautiful,she tells you when things are wrong,and can put you in your place when you think you can be greater,if she is destroyed...we can not exist either!If you are greater than Mother Nature,stop a hurricane or a volcano.Be humble in her presence. Constitutional Rights? Wrong. This is the tip of the iceberg.Majority of our government officials are neocons. Neocon mentality- the poor uneducated people of this country can no longer think for themselves. The commodity (UN term ,meaning people) will allow (give up our rights) government to take care of us because we need to be safe from the other terrible countries who hate us, and make life in the US so bad for us. Our food prices,gas and ,housing is thanks to neocon master plan. Coming along nicely.Pretty soon people will do anything they say to get help.

Digusting. One thing nobody

Digusting. One thing nobody seems to have addressed (including the 9th Circuit) is that this sh*t (literally) will MELT and run off to...where? Enjoy the snowmelt Arizonans. Another dirty trick brought to you by corporate America. Why am I not surprised?

This is yet another insult

This is yet another insult to the indigenous peoples of North America. In this election year let us not forget that Senator McCain was the sponsor of a bil that was instrumental in the eviction of between ten and fourteen thousand Navajo people from their land who were relocated to a highly radioactive superfund cleanup site so that Peabody energy corporation could strip mine lands that were long held sacred by both the Hopi and Navajo tribes. A vote for McCain is a vote for Genocide...

In answer to the question in

In answer to the question in the headline, "No, they don't. No one else has any First Amendment rights so why should the indigenous groups have any?"

It's about respect, when it

It's about respect, when it comes to federal land there's a hierarchy now. Memorials like the USS Arizona and JFK's grave in Arlington have signs that basically say: behave and show respect. in fact the tour guides at the Arizona memorial essentially threaten folks to behave or they will go to jail! Then you have signs posted at military reservations and of course, Area 51 which said if you trespass you will be shot. All of these places get more respect but fed lands natives hold sacred are just pissed on. I believe we need more legislation to protect these peaks and beef up the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. We also need a president who will appoint natives to the federal bench which is slanted far to the right and white. You can't expect justice there if you're native.

What are the environmental

What are the environmental affects on this sewage being placed on this mountain? What habitats and eco-systems will be destroyed because of selfish, greedy, people trying to make a dollar? Did they not think that the animals would eat this mess? All the land that was Stolen from these Native people, why is it so hard to leave this mountain and any other land around them alone?

Rebuttal to FemPatriot who

Rebuttal to FemPatriot who sts that Native people have rights that non-Natives don't have due to sovereignity. Wrong. Sovereign rights have never been respected or upheld in US courts. FP sts that "the US owns the Peaks"? Who do you think they took them from????? Those were sacred lands to numerous tribes long before whites set foot on our land. If someone comes along and takes your land from you, that DOESN'T make them owners. It makes them squatters and thieves. BTW, the non-Native people in Flagstaff should be a little nervous. The aquifer that supplies water to them is likely to be contaminated by the sewage that will be sprayed on the sacred peaks...perhaps a little poetic justice?

Jesus, Zeus, the "Great

Jesus, Zeus, the "Great Spirit", all of them nonsensical superstition. We all ought to grow up metaphysically and recognize that the whole notion of sacredness ground or magical wafers is a load of hooey. Dumping sewage is dumping sewage and nasty and wrong. No need to bring a bunch of mythical and palpably false drivel into it. Let's fight facts with facts, not fantasy.

Religious persecution and

Religious persecution and institutional racism is still active in the United States towards Indian people and other minorities. After reading this article it is obvious that some capital interest required that a less than objective legal process create a desired outcome through government manipulation. It is a familiar story of persecution and unfairness. The story of how Native Americans have been treated in the last 200 years is best summed up by the must read book by Dee Brown, entitled “Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee”. After reading the first couple chapters, one begins to establish an uncomfortable awareness of the systematic brutality of genocide that the United States has used and continues to use against Indian governments in the interest of corporate profits. You may think that all interest are served in this system, but once you start learning about American history and our economic policy you become aware that it is not only the Indians that are denied their rights but most of America who are not a members of the profiteers.

Very below Par for a very

Very below Par for a very below average race/society. A lot of people are talking about "change," and making America great again. America can never be great again because she never was great to begin with. Do the math, read some real history, and you will find a nation built upon the pillars of racism, slavery, genocide & land theft. This began from day one - literally - and continues on today. My fellow white contemporaries - not to be confused with my associates - are materialistic whores who would gladly eat their own sh$t for a new toy or another diversionary pleasure. What a soul-less & pointless society we live in.

I'm certain that people like

I'm certain that people like the current Pope, or James Dobson, or observant Jews in Jerusalem would be vocal and extremely upset if someone were to take a snow making truck filled with treated piss and use it to spray "snow" on St. Peter's, or Dobson's crummy compound, or part of the old Temple. But this is about money, and who cares what the Native Americans think. Man oh man... The bad karma we are racking up as a civilization must be just staggering.

How about a hand for Howard

How about a hand for Howard Shanker! He is running for Congress as a progressive Democrat. He is showing true grit and real integrity in persisting with this case for all the Nations and for Arizonans and all Americans who believe that putting the sewage on anyone's sacred ground is just plain wrong. Without men like Howard to fight in the courts, correcting this insult to our native peoples would not stand a chance.

In a word----No! Native

In a word----No! Native Americans have NEVER been treated fairly. It's a damned shame. Too bad they allowed the original settlers to even get off their boats those several hundred years ago, group after group, after group! All those broken treaties, empty promises, rape, looting, plunder, theft, murder, and other atrocities! The acts of pushing them back further and further, while enacting oppressive laws, making up all kinds of stupid rules, laws and regulations, and just destroying all that was good! Animals being killed for sport by the occupiers, or "settlers" whereas the natives only took what was needed for food or clothing, etc. What has happened to the lands, the animals, and natural resources since the various arrivals at various times by this same group, this same as usual "race" of racist, hate-filled, bunch of dangerous people (you know who you are), the uncaring, greedy, murderous, merciless, ungodly, prideful, thieving, hateful, people who arrived here so many hundreds of years ago, who, upon arrival began immediately to exploit, rape, loot and plunder the lands and native peoples they found living here. It is a shame and an atrocity that can never be repaid or forgiven.

There are people in the USA

There are people in the USA who are _drinking_ treated wastewater. In today's corporation-ruled world, we are ALL peasants except for those rich enough to have power. Native Americans can still try to get what they want through the courts, and maybe they'll win...someday. I will say, they haven't given up. If it were left up to me, they'd have the Peaks--I don't ski, and I don't even have a desire to ride up on the lift. But it's not. There was some kind of corporate deal there, and people probably got paid off. I just read where Peter McDonald helped cheat his tribe years ago for $10,000 and a BMW. He paid developer Bud Brown & partner $27 million for the Big Boqueus Ranch, the same day Brown had bought it for $19 million. He was tribal chief for a long time because his tribe was very loyal to him in spite of the fact that he was known to be crooked. We're all victims of the corporations, but I don't know how we take back our government, and I dare say--I don't think anyone posting here does either. You just do the best you can and pray for a change. As long as our government can be bought by the highest bidder--we're in the same boat as the Native Americans...up the creek without a paddle.

From someone who discovered

From someone who discovered her Native American biological heritage from the dentist and doctor, I am not very surprised at all of this. Native people were forced to live like Western Europeans in order to survive the genocide or the economic hardship imposed during the 17th, 18th, 19th and 20th centuries in North America. I never knew that I was in any aspect of my life a Native American. Almost every trace of my family's culture had been erased. Only some artifacts, a handed down fishing and hunting technique, and a deep love of nature were left after 200 or so years. I can't confirm anything but I do believe I am part Wabanaki and either Cree or Mohawk from the upper part of Vermont or lower areas of Canada. So, if genocide and cultural war existed then, it is just a continual struggle against the racist attitudes present today.

re:Jesus, Zeus, the

re:Jesus, Zeus, the "Great How about we let people believe what they would like to believe and respect the fact that this nation is based on the notion of Personal Freedom, which implies Religious Freedom quite readily. Dumping sewage is Wrong and in this case it ought not to happen. It seems as if you regard that notion easily enough, tho proceed this idea with a claim that peoples beliefs are irrelevant and even more-so completely unimportant... I wonder who attacked your beliefs, or what prayer has God not answered for you? I BELIEVE the adage: "If you have nothing Good to say, Don't say anything at all" applies here without question. btw, Jesus isn't "nonsensical superstition". The Life of this man is well documented and heavily studied. I would say that if One knows nothing or is confused about a subject, then that One ought not to speak about it. It seems obvious you haven't any Idea about Jesus or The Great Spirit. God Bless us brother, because our Faith is what will determine whether this bill is passed.

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