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To Provoke War, Cheney Considered Proposal To Dress Up Navy Seals As Iranians and Shoot at Them

by: Faiz Shakir  |  ThinkProgress.org

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Seymour Hersh reports Cheney considered false flag plans. (Photo: Glenn Brown / cjfe.org)

    Speaking at the Campus Progress journalism conference earlier this month, Seymour Hersh - a Pulitzer-Prize winning journalist for The New Yorker - revealed that Bush administration officials held a meeting recently in the Vice President's office to discuss ways to provoke a war with Iran.

    In Hersh's most recent article, he reports that this meeting occurred in the wake of the overblown incident in the Strait of Hormuz, when a U.S. carrier almost shot at a few small Iranian speedboats. The "meeting took place in the Vice-President's office. 'The subject was how to create a casus belli between Tehran and Washington,'" according to one of Hersh's sources.

    During the journalism conference event, I asked Hersh specifically about this meeting and if he could elaborate on what occurred. Hersh explained that, during the meeting in Cheney's office, an idea was considered to dress up Navy Seals as Iranians, put them on fake Iranian speedboats, and shoot at them. This idea, intended to provoke an Iran war, was ultimately rejected:

    HERSH: There was a dozen ideas proffered about how to trigger a war. The one that interested me the most was why don't we build - we in our shipyard - build four or five boats that look like Iranian PT boats. Put Navy seals on them with a lot of arms. And next time one of our boats goes to the Straits of Hormuz, start a shoot-up.

    Might cost some lives. And it was rejected because you can't have Americans killing Americans. That's the kind of - that's the level of stuff we're talking about. Provocation. But that was rejected.

     Watch it:

    Hersh argued that one of the things the Bush administration learned during the encounter in the Strait of Hormuz was that, "if you get the right incident, the American public will support" it.

    "Look, is it high school? Yeah," Hersh said. "Are we playing high school with you know 5,000 nuclear warheads in our arsenal? Yeah we are. We're playing, you know, who's the first guy to run off the highway with us and Iran."

    Transcript:

    HERSH: There was a meeting. Among the items considered and rejected - which is why the New Yorker did not publish it, on grounds that it wasn't accepted - one of the items was why not…

    There was a dozen ideas proffered about how to trigger a war. The one that interested me the most was why don't we build - we in our shipyard - build four or five boats that look like Iranian PT boats. Put Navy seals on them with a lot of arms. And next time one of our boats goes to the Straits of Hormuz, start a shoot-up. Might cost some lives.

    And it was rejected because you can't have Americans killing Americans. That's the kind of - that's the level of stuff we're talking about. Provocation. But that was rejected.

    So I can understand the argument for not writing something that was rejected - uh maybe. My attitude always towards editors is they're mice training to be rats.

    But the point is jejune, if you know what that means. Silly? Maybe. But potentially very lethal. Because one of the things they learned in the incident was the American public, if you get the right incident, the American public will support bang-bang-kiss-kiss. You know, we're into it.

    β€¦What happened in the Gulf was, in the Straits, in early January, the President was just about to go to the Middle East for a visit. So that was one reason they wanted to gin it up. Get it going.

    Look, is it high school? Yeah. Are we playing high school with you know 5,000 nuclear warheads in our arsenal? Yeah we are. We're playing, you know, who's the first guy to run off the highway with us and Iran.

    Kevin Drum adds:

    If this story sounds familiar, that's because it is. In one of David Manning's famous memos describing a prewar meeting between George Bush and Tony Blair, he says that Bush admitted that WMD was unlikely to be found in Iraq and then mused on some possible options for justifying a war anyway:

    "The U.S. was thinking of flying U2 reconnaissance aircraft with fighter cover over Iraq, painted in U.N. colours," the memo says, attributing the idea to Mr. Bush. "If Saddam fired on them, he would be in breach."

    In the end, of course, we didn't do this. We just didn't bother with any pretext at all.

  

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How much closer to the moral

How much closer to the moral depravity of the Nazis do these guys supposedly "leading" the country have to step before they are impeached? If this is true (and why wouldn't it be) Cheney and company have given up any last shreds of moral authority they have to "protect" us ... the oath they took to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution" was abrogated from the day they took office.

I think Cheney must be

I think Cheney must be mentally unstable. He gets his power from money and he will destroy this country if we are not very, very vigilant.

With this in mind are we

With this in mind are we going to continue to back up this administration and say that they were definitely not behind 9/11. I know it is a horrible thing to say or think but when you look at all the evidence that suggests it was an inside job, you have to wonder. The more I see, the more real that possibility is, from all the documentation that they ignored all of the warnings, all the explosives experts that swore the way the building dropped showed an inside job with explosives on the inside to this piece, showing how the morons in the White House operate. I am sure in the future our country will prove beyond a doubt that it was, indeed, an inside job perpetrated by the thugs in office now. Keeping it quiet was the conspiracy!

I wonder how long it will

I wonder how long it will take, not before we impeach these monsters, but before it becomes acceptable to use the F word again -- fascism. That's what these creatures are -- extremists of the crazed kind like Stalin and Hitler. And there are way too many fellow fascists following them. They all need to be rounded up and taken to Guantanamo. According to them, we can get the truth out of them that way about how far their world-endangering conspiracies go.

Ja, this is not a new idea.

Ja, this is not a new idea. Herr Hitler dressed up his soldiers in Polish uniforms and had them, well, start a war with Germany.

"...when you look at all the

"...when you look at all the evidence that suggests [9/11] was an inside job..." I agree. I'm only sorry I didn't start looking at all the evidence sooner. When I finally saw the light I went on a binge trying to figure out how they did it. I think I succeeded. Check my stuff here and tell me what you think: http://www.drivehq.com/folder/p1720199/03889269.aspx

I sent this on to Nancy

I sent this on to Nancy Pelosi, and asked if she were going to do anything to stop these crooks. She's up for reelection in Nov, Cindy Sheehan and Shirley Gulag (sp?) are opposing her. Maybe we'll have a new Speaker of the House in Jan, one who will work for the American people.

What's the matter with

What's the matter with IMPEACHMENT????

It's 1939 all over.

It's 1939 all over. Consider forming a White Rose cell. /

I think we need to know ALL

I think we need to know ALL items discussed, not just the one Mr. Hersch found most interesting. The corporate media have hardly touched this. I think Keith Obermann did a segment, but not much more has been done with it. No wonder there are still so many dumbed- down believers calling 911 Truthers "nut jobs". The detention camps are being readied, the vaccines are being stockpiled as well as hundreds of thousands of plastic coffins, one known location being Atlanta. Please, Mr. Hersch, don't withhold any more pertinent info in deference to the editorial rats.

The Monster-Rats in the

The Monster-Rats in the White House will never be impeached. Why? Because Congress has been complicit and supportive of all its actions during the last eight years - including (and especially) the careful and deliberate non-investigation of 9/11. That is why you don't see impeachment "on the table." If it was allowed "on the table" they'd have to start looking "under the table." There they would peer into a mirror filled with the images of war-mongering, anti-Muslim, Christian-brainwashed - and mainly white, Anglo-American Supremacists - who are really basking in all their impotent glory. This sad group of politicians sold their minds. hearts and souls to the system long ago. Observe how they can no longer discern right from wrong. They've been enablers of the Bush/Cheney Regime, with a few minor objections thrown in here and there, for theatrical effect. Let's face it: our Congress (and Senate) are mainly composed of a group of functional alcoholics who are out of control, living in an alternative reality - as alcoholics are prone to do. I can just imagine the number of Senators and Congresspersons on Prozac, Zoloft as well, or one of the many other psycho-chemical mood-modulators available on the menu at every physician's office. Let's not be naive here. These guys are chocked full of - not of coffee like in the old days - a variety potent pharmaceutical agents. I've not seen one TruthOut writer try to investigate the full range of legalized drug abuse going on in Washington -. I mean, let's put two and two together; how can they POSSIBLY be so profoundly numb and non-creative to such profoundly displayed evil? They're stoned, that's how The American Government openly endorses torture, for God's sake! How can they non-react to what we all see so clearly? A "full investigation" of the Bush and Cheney Slime-Bags and Associates (Rove, Addington, Wolfowitz, Rice, Feith, and the list goes on) would arrive full circle at Nancy Pelosi's front door - Pelosi, the leader of the noiseless, stingless, venom-less Democrats in lock-step order with America's agenda for the New Super-Corporate World Order.

Guys, I am sorry to bring

Guys, I am sorry to bring down your optimism. They did 9/11. They will never be impeached. They will never be punished. Yes they are fascists. Yes they may succeed with everything they want to happen in America and the world. For that they brought the American people to a state akin to anesthesia, unbelievable ignorance and apathy. Have you ever heard the term "deep government" I am sorry...

One reason the Energy Task

One reason the Energy Task Force minutes have been so closely guarded is that they may well have been laying out a blueprint for controlling Iraqi Oil. This is conjecture, but I have never understood why the records have been so guarded. If these people were engaging in the " market capitalism " they worship why would they not proudly show us how it works. I think they shared the grossly naive assumptions about being welcomed with open arms by Iraqis, and the more apparent that wasn't the case the more important that the blueprint never be shown. I have always dismissed 9/11 conspiracies, but with the kind of evil thought process that goes on in Cheney's brain, I am starting to have second thoughts.

Cheney isn't unstable: he's

Cheney isn't unstable: he's absolutely firm in his beliefs. He's just crazy. And please give up on the 9/11 conspiracy theory. The real false flag attack was the anthrax scare that shut down the post office, killed a few liberal reporters and secretaries, and scared a few moderate newspapermen. 9/11 happened first, and took the admin totally by surprise--but they had the sense to use it. Unfortunately, it pointed to Afghanistan where we had no interest at all, and not to Iraq, which was the named source of the Anthrax. Hence all of the spurious name association of 9/11 and Iraq. Yes, it's High School Hi Jinx, right from the beginning. But bin Laden beat us to it, so there was a minor change of plans. See Glenn Greenwald, in Salon.com, for the details on Anthrax: how reporters were warned to get Cipro before the first letter was mailed, how Ivins was a known homicidal maniac. Then it's not so hard to put the pieces together.

Cheney continues to plot the

Cheney continues to plot the end of America while the village idiot who is President is having fun spending taxpayer money flying all over the world and doing his favorite thing - fund raising, I am so ashamed of what this country has become under this corrupt pig of a man who is not accountable to anyone. He's had his filthy hands in every dirty deal since 2000. Daddy Bush probably orchestrated the arrangement when his dry drunk dumbass son ran for office. My favorite part was when they both refused to testify under oath before the 911 Commission, that neither wanted in the first place; instead they held a "discussion session" with members in a closed door at the White House that was not recorded in any way.

The Hopi have prophesied

The Hopi have prophesied WWIII. Please read Hotevilla by Thomas Mails and the late Dan Evehema.

the same mindset discussed

the same mindset discussed here is shared by the people who said FDR was complicit at Pearl Harbor. it's treason when a Democrat does it, not so much when Chick Daney is involved ..... nothing new here, folks, move right along .....

I'd comment, but the above

I'd comment, but the above messages say it all so well. Every one of them.

among so many dirt roads

among so many dirt roads that a place like america in particular has, and is made of, there seems to b an existin one, like, if u don't pave it which means dont bring w u that old american religious fatalism and dont bring guns there either and no big cars w their useless power and so on, well, it's possibl, i'm thinking, that some day the idea of this inner american sense of peace will b regenerated by the land, i bit like in the words of whitman.erick R.

As I recall the work of the

As I recall the work of the late William Shirer, the distinguished journalist who witnessed the buildup of Nazism, it was precisely this kind of "false flag" incident that was used to justify Germany's invasion of Poland. Hitler and his minions ordered German soldiers to dress in Polish uniforms and stage an "invasion" of Germany. The "Polish" invaders were slain, and Hitler had his pretext for war. In the context of 1939, the whole world knew how badly Hitler wanted a war of conquest. But it seems that 69 years later, the Bush-Cheney administration remained convinced that it can persuade the US public about Iran's "aggression" toward the US--the rest of the world be damned--if it can only concoct the right pretext. This is a very sad commentary on the ability of US media--as Seymour Hersh's story has found little resonance in mainstream media--to keep the public informed and alert. But at least it places Bush and Cheney in with their proper peers at deception and aggression.

Can we demand Congressional

Can we demand Congressional drug testing? Can we demand impeachment, a reinvestigation of 911, and an end to both wars now? Can we march on Washington and live? Will they invoke martial law and shoot us down as they did the pro-union, civil rights, and anti-Viet Nam protesters? When a teacher is removed from a McCain rally because she held a "Bush=McCain" placard by the same people who voted for Bush isn't it time to arm ourselves and fight for our freedom of speech all over again? For a government that is representative of it's people? Give me liberty, or give me death! Stop pissing down our backs and telling us it's raining.

To witness these fascist

To witness these fascist monsters unfold their diabolical plans while the brainwashed and dumb downed congress and senate and majority of American people stand by in semi comatose condition has caused such anxiety in me that I have gone for medical help. I am a Canadian and grew up with the myth that the US stood for freedom, justice and democracy and have arrived at the shattering truth that the US is in full opposition to these noble qualities. I only know of one person over here who thinks that the US is on right track and it turns out he is an American....go figure! Everyone that i talk to believes that the American government is completely corrupt and of immanent threat to the peace and stability of the world, and most do not want to talk about it as it brings up too much fear and anxiety! Evil has evolved to a new station; reached new depths of darkness and depravity and has it's fangs and claws set to prey on all peace and truth loving people worldwide. If only this were the worst nightmare ever, and I would wake up to the old illusion of a friendly humanitarian US standing tall in defence of truth and justice. Alas! this delusion must be left to the hysterical minds that have succumbed to the psychological warfare operations that Cheney/Bush have unleashed on the unsuspecting and incredibly naive American population. By the way I don't say that we Canadians are immune from this mental disease, in fact our government has completely bought in with the Bush/Cheney cabal to my complete disdain!! Fortress America ( Mexico, US and Canada) get ready for the onslaught of much greater evil deeds that are sure to issue from these 'Evil Doers' if we and the rest of the world do not stop them. At this late stage things aren't looking good, though miracles have been reported in the annals of history. Good night and good luck!

SNAFU

SNAFU

Certainly gives more

Certainly gives more credibility to intelligence of a 9/11 'Reichstag Fire' look-alike operation. It also gives one pause about the Anthrax investigation developments. False reports leaked from Ft. Dietrich linking Iraq to the anthrax attacks were responsible for several influenced at least one or two members odf Congress to vote to go to war. Makes one wonder about the death of the latest supect.

Is conspiracy to commit a

Is conspiracy to commit a crime still illegal in this country? The answer is no, if you're President, or his VP, but for anyone else...yes. The President however, remains above the law. Discussing fabricating the means to start an illegal war is, in and of itself, illegal, in that it is conspiracy to commit a crime. The crime doesn't have to have been committed for the conspiracy to be criminal activity. This of course, doesn't address the sheer immorality (and criminality) of fabricating an "event" to kick start an illegal war of choice.

The latest revelations about

The latest revelations about Bush & Company don't surprise me in the least. What surprises me is that it has been eight years now, and it continues. Wake up America!!! If you don't wait up (like my husband and I do:) on Friday nights to see Bill Moyers Journal at 9:30 (CST) on Channel 11 (or your favorite PBS station), remember that you can still see every episode on-line. For the latest episode "Capital Crimes" just go to http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/index-flash.html and watch. Sickening, but we do need to know what and how money influences the political will. Like Hersh, Moyers is a journalist extraordinaire. Even if you feel (as some do) that you don't have the power to do anything about these scoundrels, you must at least, stay informed. I know…life's little bumps can keep you so preoccupied with your daily lives that you don't care what happens in politics and feel that none of it really has any impact on your individual situation. How wrong you are! Politics has everything to do with your life. Right now I am fighting to keep an employee on the payroll so that she can continue her breast cancer treatment. If we had national health insurance, it wouldn't be an issue. I bring this up because over the weekend I ran into a couple of people who receive emails from me on a regular basis. Some are happy for the info and ask me to keep in coming. Others tease about the mass of "political stuff" coming their way, as if they really have better things to do with their time than to read it. My father once told us a joke about 3 old ladies riding in a car and they kept running stop lights. As they managed to run each light without getting creamed, all the ladies screamed in horror that they had run the light. After the third light, one of the ladies turned to the driver asked her why she had run all those lights, and the driver exclaimed in horror, "Am I driving?!" I think our country is in danger of dying a horrible death because we've all been put to sleep by corporate media and we aren't aware that WE're behind the wheel. Are WE driving?!

When this administration

When this administration leaves office, the truth will begin to flow and finally come out. Then, perhaps Americans will feel outraged enough to prevent this sort of lack of integrity in future politicians. If you want a government by the people for the people, you will have to put laws and rules in place to prevent future evil cabals. Also, those like Cheney and Bush who seize power and think themselves above the law MUST be punished severely to show future players that this sort of illegal and treasonous government will not stand. I am serious. These people should be tortured, as they have tortured. This torture should be severe and public for all to see. Perhaps there are those who think that's barbaric, but I think it would make others think seriously before they steal, lie and torture for greed and power. To be punished before your peers, family and compatriots is serious and effective if it is just. But it must be just. In this case, I do believe it is. Nixon deserved that serious punishment and got away with resigning. He was called "Mr President" for the rest of his life, an honor he did not deserve. He should have rotted in a filthy jail cell for decades, but never was punished. He should have been made an example of treason at the highest level, but got away with everything. Ford had no right to pardon him, but apparently, presidents have always seen themselves as being above the law. Shameful. This administration deserves punishment and should get it.

Forget about what they

Forget about what they rejected, can't we just run with the idea that they were or are Planning to Trigger a War? Isn't war supposed to be what we are forced to have to do as a last resort?

Hey guys, they aren't "like"

Hey guys, they aren't "like" the Nazis, they in fact "are" the Nazis. The Bush family empire began in the run-up to WWII when Prescott Bush, W's grandad, a leader in the international eugenics movement (white racial supremacy, Aryan race, ubermensch) and W's great-grandpas went into partnership with Thyssen Corporation and created a bank and shipping line to funnel resources (cash, weapons, machinery) back and forth from US to Germany. They were the PRIMARY financial backers of Hitler and the Nazi party, and primary financial beneficiaries of the Reich's death camps (which they were contracted to build, along with being the actual manufacturers of the gas chambers). This is public record. Look it up for yourself. These guys were the kingmakers behind Hitler and caused WWII.

I agree with "when this

I agree with "when this administration", all of them should suffer the same as what they had done to those detainee's. With all the shit the presidents in past up to present have gotten away with, it's unbelievable. Nothing has ever been done period, it's a sad future for America if we continue doing nothing. We will certainly pay a high price. Losing our rights, our constitution, the land we stole from the Indians, which is now being stolen from us, by the mortgage meltdown. Maybe December 23rd 2012 can't happen soon enough.

The actions of this present

The actions of this present government must be exposed and those who govern us made accountable. There is an impeachment movement which is working to effect this. Log on to impeachbush.org and do something about showing the world that indeed, most Americans have a conscience, and a will.

I love the idea of

I love the idea of mandatory, randomly assigned "spot-check" drug testing administered at and around the Captitol (i.e., peeing into a cup under watchful supervision by a male or female guard depending on the gender). I bet over 60% of our congressional Representative and Senators would come out positive for SSRI, valium, percoset or other "recreational" pharmaceutical agents, all of which are legal; and if taken after lunch, over 80% would have significant alcohol content in their bloodstreams. I also agree with the writer who suggested below that we arm ourselves and fight. What other option is there that at least can make them piss their pants for a while? At least there would be some satisfaction in that. It's called getting even.

If an individual entertains

If an individual entertains the idea of having someone kill their spouse, they go to jail. But if the liar or the viper discuss killing thousands or even millions, they don't get punished -- they get rewarded. And it doesn't end when they -- praise god -- finally leave office. Starting next January, they'll also get a nice retirement check and lifetimes big bennies for the rest of your unnatural lives -- thanks to you and me . As someone here mentioned, they also get the dubious honor of being called Mr. President or Mr. Vice-President until that glorious day when the rest of us celebrate their demise!

I'm surprised people are

I'm surprised people are only suggesting torture and impeachment. If this was the 40's I'm sure you'd all be on the white house lawn with torches and pitchforks screaming "Hang'em". People need to get off their asses and physically make a real movement to accomplish anything rational. Think of the Million Man March as an example where African Americans actually made their presence known and made a statement for the good of all. This is the level of "disinterest" that the Bush administration has been relying on for the last 8 years to make sure Americans stay complacent. Even most of us Up North found the events of 9/11 numbing and shocking but again thats the effect of psychological warfare and scare tactics used by Bush/Cheeny to control the minds of the people with Fear and Ignorance. The Fact remains that it has to take a real show of American Unity and Presence to take down these Villains once and for all for the good of the world.

Impeach Bush?! Hell, shoot

Impeach Bush?! Hell, shoot the bastard ... and don't forget Cheney and the rest of those friggin' traitors! THEY created the false-flag 9/11 and used it for their criminal agenda ever since. More than a million of Iraqi people have perished since and two countries have been devastated. Thousands of young americans have been killed and tens of thousands maimed for life – all based on lies and greed! Whoever still believes the official 9/11 hogwash is just plain uninformed. Wherever you start to look at the official legend it starts to unravel fast because the alleged story simply doesn't match the known facts. There is the very interesting and disturbing work of two germans (a journalist and a historian) named BrΓΆckers and Hauß as well as the research of the american Daniel Hopsicker. And of course the books by David Ray Griffin are a must read because he has analysed the official account in painstaking detail and with scientific rigor. All of these investigations stay away from the lunatic fringe conspiracies and use only publicly available sources. It takes time to inform yourself about all the holes and "non-sequiturs" in the official 911 conspiracy report – but you owe it to yourself and to your once great country.

I say we deport them!

I say we deport them!

So it was proposed to the VP

So it was proposed to the VP and he rejected it. Where's the scoop?

Where's the scoop? Their

Where's the scoop? Their reasoning processes have lost all anchoring to humanity - they are considering any and all ways to manufacture a war in order to make money from it - that's the scoop. They are overcome by greed and ideology. IE - they are insane/greedy/sociopathic/criminal. http://thetorturer.com