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Interview With Congresswoman Jan Schakowsky

by: Maya Schenwar, t r u t h o u t | Interview

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US Congresswoman Jan Schakowsky sat down with Truthout's Maya Schenwar.
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    Congresswoman Jan Schakowsky has had enough of the war in Iraq, and she's had enough of the military contractors that are making it possible.

    "These are the guys who carry guns - I would call them mercenaries - who are engaged in inherently governmental activities," she told me in a recent interview, noting that while contractors carry out many of the same functions as the military, they are held to much less stringent standards.
"One has to ask, 'Is it the policy of the United States of America that contractors can get away with murder?' And frankly, so far, it seems like the answer is 'yes.'"

    Schakowsky, the House's chief deputy whip, is leading the fight to rein in those mercenaries and face facts on the war - a fight that is not particularly popular, given the extent to which the military relies on contract labor. (Numbering more than 180,000, the list of private contract workers now exceeds the US troop count in Iraq.) But Schakowsky is no stranger to uphill battles. She opposed the Iraq war resolution in 2003 and helped found the Out-of-Iraq Caucus in 2005. She has voted against renewing war funding for the past four years, and has pushed for legislation to attach a timetable for withdrawal to any war monies going forward.

    Now, she is zeroing in on the use of contractors in Iraq. In her position on the House Select Intelligence Committee, she's worked for tighter restrictions on private military labor. When the committee marked up its 2009 intelligence authorization bill in mid-May, it included provisions "aimed at reducing the overall use of contractors by the intelligence community," according to the committee report. The legislation includes a requirement that the Director of National Intelligence file a report on the numbers and roles of contractors performing intelligence duties.

    Due to an amendment offered by Schakowsky, the authorization bill includes a clause that would eliminate the use of contractors in interrogations. Throughout the Iraq War, the CIA has contracted out interrogation jobs, and Senate Intelligence Committee testimony earlier this year showed that some of those contractors participated in torturing detainees. Schakowsky's amendment would take them out of the equation.

    In fact, Schakowsky would prefer to phase out military contractors completely - not only from Iraq and Afghanistan, but from every endeavor the US military undertakes. She pointed out that this would limit the extent of military engagements, perhaps requiring our leaders to think a little more carefully before initiating involvement in other parts of the world.

    "Contractors mask the scope of the war, and put at arms' length some of the activities that are taking place," Schakowsky said.

    While keeping the issue of mercenaries - and the devastation of the war as a whole - on the Senate's radar, Schakowsky now serves another role: She co-chairs Barack Obama's presidential campaign. The two positions are connected, according to Schakowsky.

    She believes that under an Obama administration the US's aim would shift from "winning" an unwinnable war to "getting the US footprint out of Iraq." "Because Barack Obama has so clearly committed to winding down this war, that is exactly what will happen," she said. "It will happen because that is his true commitment - but it will also happen because the expectations of the American people will not take any more excuses. The American people are done with this war."

    Still, Schakowsky said that no matter who is president, antiwar advocates will need to keep the pressure on, to make sure withdrawal is as complete as possible. "We need to be a bit concerned about the presence of contractors and residual forces, and exactly what role they will play in Iraq," she said. "That will be an ongoing debate."

  

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Maya Schenwar is Executive Director of Truthout.

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I am heartened to read this

I am heartened to read this article and to see that she is co-chairing Obama's campaign. However, I have not heard that Obama is pledging to get rid of contract labor in defense work. It is appalling ot me that we even have the practice of mercenaries in our employ. They are totally unaccountable and are allowed to run roughshod over all kinds of horrific practices. Why won't Obama come out just as strongly? Is it because he is relying on contributions from these same "business" executives and does not want to ruffle their feathers? If that is the case, I have very little hope for change if he is elected. The compromises and deals he makes now will haunt him after election and make it difficult to change course.

That's one What are the

That's one What are the rest of these gutless elected officials doing? Australia is out. The Brits are sick of this and they got rid of Bush's poodle Tony (what me worry boy) who is richer than sin buying houses all over the country

It's a given that we tax

It's a given that we tax payers,. the citizenry, legislate, hire, contract for our armed services under our strict mandates and conditions. It is impossible for any other body to usurp this core citizenry responsibility and authority, by definition. Therefore, doesn't the ad hoc employment just of mercenary soldiers not under the direct authority of our legislated armed sevices have to be illegal and should be terminated? In sum, we can pay American soldiers to kill on our behalf,but we are not allowed to pay mercenaries to do the same. A sound syllogism?

Why have I not heard her

Why have I not heard her drumbeats before now? If i'm wrong I apologize,but it sounds to me like she's trying to get out of Dodge

Rome fell when they thought

Rome fell when they thought they could overeach and pay for armies to protect their colonizations. We are doing the same. A professional army is not inherently evil. A professional mercenary force is. It upsets the balance of a republic pushing the country towards a corporate military. This corporate army will be manned increasingly by stateless or foriegn workers and companies. We have seen large contractors move overseas for tax advantages. They have claimed American workers to be working for offshore businesses to keep from paying benefits and taxes. This ultimately depletes the treasuries they are being paid from forcing more deficit spending. This is as good a definiton of state cancer as you will find. It happened to Rome, it can happen to us.

This is so obvious. Nor

This is so obvious. Nor have we ever heard about their casualties or kill rate of the enemy. What gets me is how Bush and Cheney espouse how great they are when they employ ex military thugs to carry out their worst retaliatory strikes. Iraq is in shambles, no reconstruction only devastation. No doubt there will be no military tribunals for offending contractors. That won't even come up unless there is another Blackwater "mistake"! Just another dirty American war with no over site. She's not the only one who should have gotten up to complain. Try every responsible member of Congress. Don't expect the Republicans to bite on this one. McCain will stay mute unless cornered by someone with guts and I am not certain Obama or Hillary have that kind of stick your neck out capability.

WHEN IS TRUTHOUT GOING TO

WHEN IS TRUTHOUT GOING TO GET IT RIGHT? Your article above states, 'Throughout the Iraq WAR, the CIA has contracted out interrogation jobs, and Senate Intelligence Committee testimony earlier this year showed that some of those contractors participated in torturing detainees". Why is this happening? The answer is complicated ONLY when you, T.O., and the rest of the medias, erringly refer to this:invasion, occupation...As a war. Period. Torture violates the Geneva Conventions, the rules of war, right? Somehow the medias, including T.O., get right by referring to those held and tortured as detainees, BECAUSE IT IS UNDERSTOOD THAT THEY ARE NOT PRISONERS OF WAR!!! The United States has been engaging in "water-boarding" (simulated drowning, which is torture), illegal "renditions" (AKA kidnapping, abduction...) and then torture. We do this using surrogate military subcontractors who shoot and kill (which should constitute murder, when contractors are allowed to shoot to kill without the UCMJ codes of conduct). So, will you please, get it right about everything pertaining to this bogus "WAR ON TERROR"? ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS say, with respect to everything in Iraq and Afghanistan (including future and past military conflicts as what they are/were/will-be), unless there is a declaration of war by congress, should be referred to and regarded as crimes against humanity by our self serving, backed by the military industrial complex and are propped up by double speak politicians. Period.

I see the term "leaders"

I see the term "leaders" constantly applied to our "misleaders". These socalled leaders are not leaders but mercenaries. Let us get rid of them.

The "Black Water Types"

The "Black Water Types" (mercenaries) have been hired as the U.S.'s first line of defence! What the hell does that tell you? Duh! Whenever Bush deides to circumvent this war, he simply orders the mercenaries to turn their guns on American troops. They've got bases, better equipment, "everything " our armed forces have and "more money"...The hiring of this war machine is/was illegal! When does the Bush Adminestration get arrested?...or- is that the day the fine print in the contracts becomes clearer?...Don't forget that Black Water cut it's teeth on the "Katrina" refugees...You think their not ready to defend WHATEVER BUSH wants?

To Guy Fraser: If you

To Guy Fraser: If you haven't heard her drumbeats before, it must be because you haven't been listening. Jan Schakowsky has been interviewed on national TV a number of times that I'm aware of, and, in fact, she has been speaking out loud and clear against this war since before Bush even started it.

Please, dear Congressman

Please, dear Congressman Roscoe Bartlett (R-Md), may I have a letter of marque? This being a Congressional, not a presidential prerogative. I will commission a private war ship in Baltimore, whose shipping industry badly needs the business. Then I will sail forth and capture tankers from Iran or Venezuela, or whoever becomes our enemy of the week. These ships will be brought into Baltimore, again vastly profiting the city and the state (as well as myself). Why should only North Carolina or California profit from private mercenary companies? Of course, be assured, I will not forget to pay large campaign monies to you and to your party. Respectfully, Chris Herz, constituent.

Ann ~ I sincerely doubt that

Ann ~ I sincerely doubt that Obama is receiving any money from Blackwater, et al. It wouldn't make any sense for him to publicly pick fights with them because he would probably like to survive long enough to become president. Don't forget that these are guys with guns who are not accustomed to following rules. If he publicly threatens them, there is no telling what they might do. I'm sure he's not afraid of them, he's got security, but these are people who will shoot twenty or thirty people in cold blood for kicks. These are people who think that war is fun and profit. That Schakowsky is co-chairing his campaign should be ample signal that he's not putting up with Blackwater and the like.

Obama refuses to ban

Obama refuses to ban mercenaries from Iraq - maybe he will change his mind and send them to Iran instead, but that is the depth of 'change' he truly offers.