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It Was Oil, All Along

by: Bill Moyers and Michael Winship, t r u t h o u t | Perspective

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Bill Moyers. (Photo: Peter Krogh / AP)

    Oh, no, they told us, Iraq isn't a war about oil. That's cynical and simplistic, they said. It's about terror and al-Qaeda and toppling a dictator and spreading democracy and protecting ourselves from weapons of mass destruction. But one by one, these concocted rationales went up in smoke, fire and ashes. And now the bottom line turns out to be ... the bottom line. It is about oil.

    Alan Greenspan said so last fall. The former chairman of the Federal Reserve, safely out of office, confessed in his memoir, "Everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil." He elaborated in an interview with The Washington Post's Bob Woodward, "If Saddam Hussein had been head of Iraq and there was no oil under those sands, our response to him would not have been as strong as it was in the first Gulf War."

    Remember, also, that soon after the invasion, Donald Rumsfeld's deputy, Paul Wolfowitz, told the press that war was our only strategic choice. "We had virtually no economic options with Iraq," he explained, "because the country floats on a sea of oil."

    Shades of Daniel Plainview, the monstrous petroleum tycoon in the movie, "There Will Be Blood." Half-mad, he exclaims, "There's a whole ocean of oil under our feet!" then adds, "No one can get at it except for me!"

    No wonder American troops only guarded the Ministries of Oil and the Interior in Baghdad, even as looters pillaged museums of their priceless antiquities. They were making sure no one could get at the oil except ... guess who?

    Here's a recent headline in The New York Times: "Deals With Iraq Are Set to Bring Oil Giants Back." Read on: "Four western companies are in the final stages of negotiations this month on contracts that will return them to Iraq, 36 years after losing their oil concession to nationalization as Saddam Hussein rose to power."

    There you have it. After a long exile, Exxon Mobil, Shell, Total and BP are back in Iraq. And on the wings of no-bid contracts - that's right, sweetheart deals like those given Halliburton, KBR and Blackwater. The kind of deals you get only if you have friends in high places. And these war profiteers have friends in very high places.

    Let's go back a few years to the 1990's, when private citizen Dick Cheney was running Halliburton, the big energy supplier. That's when he told the oil industry that, "By 2010 we will need on the order of an additional fifty million barrels a day. So where is the oil going to come from? While many regions of the world offer great oil opportunities, the Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

    Fast forward to Cheney's first heady days in the White House. The oil industry and other energy conglomerates were handed backdoor keys to the White House, and their CEO's and lobbyists were trooping in and out for meetings with their old pal, now Vice President Cheney. The meetings were secret, conducted under tight security, but as we reported five years ago, among the documents that turned up from some of those meetings were maps of oil fields in Iraq - and a list of companies who wanted access to them. The conservative group Judicial Watch and the Sierra Club filed suit to try to find out who attended the meetings and what was discussed, but the White House fought all the way to the Supreme Court to keep the press and public from learning the whole truth.

    Think about it. These secret meetings took place six months before 9/11, two years before Bush and Cheney invaded Iraq. We still don't know what they were about. What we know is that this is the oil industry that's enjoying swollen profits these days. It would be laughable if it weren't so painful to remember that their erstwhile cheerleader for invading Iraq - the press mogul Rupert Murdoch - once said that a successful war there would bring us $20-a-barrel oil. The last time we looked, it was more than $140 a barrel. Where are you, Rupert, when the facts need checking and the predictions are revisited?

    At a Congressional hearing this week, James Hansen, the NASA climate scientist who exactly twenty years ago alerted Congress and the world to the dangers of global warming, compared the chief executives of Big Oil to the tobacco moguls who denied that nicotine is addictive or that there's a link between smoking and cancer. Hansen, whom the administration has tried again and again to silence, said these barons of black gold should be tried for committing crimes against humanity and nature in opposing efforts to deal with global warming.

    Perhaps those sweetheart deals in Iraq should be added to his proposed indictments. They have been purchased at a very high price. Four thousand American soldiers dead, tens of thousands permanently wounded, hundreds of thousands of dead and crippled Iraqis plus five million displaced, and a cost that will mount into trillions of dollars. The political analyst Kevin Phillips says America has become little more than an "energy protection force," doing anything to gain access to expensive fuel without regard to the lives of others or the earth itself. One thinks again of Daniel Plainview in "There Will Be Blood." His lust for oil came at the price of his son and his soul.

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    Bill Moyers is managing editor and Michael Winship is senior writer of the weekly public affairs program Bill Moyers Journal, which airs Friday nights on PBS. Check local airtimes or comment at The Moyers Blog at www.pbs.org/moyers.

    Editor's Note: This Bill Moyers comment on America's oil policy was presented on Friday 27 June 2008 on Bill Moyers Journal. Other portions of the program can be viewed here TO/vh

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Of course this is true in

Of course this is true in large measure. There were additional issues, such as dollars or euros for oil? Would Saddam Hussein comply with the proposed looting of Iraq's oil resources? Saddam was not a nice guy. And he and his regime were corrupt and oppressive along with being murderously anti- Kurdish and anti- Iranian. Yet what has transpired since April of 2003 has been much worse for the citizens of Iraq.

CORRECTION: It was about

CORRECTION: It was about oil AND Israeli interests. That second part never gets a mention in "progressive" media. You're not allowed to call it like it is. A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm by Richard Perle, James Colbert, Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Douglas Feith, Robert Loewenberg, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser, and "A New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000:" "Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq ' an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right ' as a means of foiling Syria's regional ambitions." http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm Same gang in Project for a New American Century, Rebuilding America's Defenses, 2000 plus Cheney and Rummy: "...the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein." The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy By John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt http://ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/Research/wpaper.nsf/rwp/RWP06-011 As we speak Israelis are pressuring the US congress to approve an ACT OF WAR against Iran, by mandating a NAVAL BLOCKADE. House Resolution Calls for Naval Blockade against Iran America’s powerful pro-Israel lobby pressures the US Congress http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9377 This happens as they are also pressuring US military and political leaders to bomb the Iranian nuclear reactor at Natanz and/or to support them in their own (criminal) attack on Iran. So NO, Bill Moyers, et al. It is not "all" about oil. Crimes of the State http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/

The cheney administration is

The cheney administration is all about self interest. Its interesting how they consider themselves oil men. I think Arbusto Oil never drilled a producing hole. (George Soros and Harkin bought them out to have political access via the vice president's son) Harkin oil was famous for their Dry Holes from the off shore fields of Qatar after which W sold hisshares before the knowledge was made public about the dryness of the holes.

Of course it is about oil.

Of course it is about oil. That and permanent bases. Remember the criticism that the administration had no exit strategy from Iraq? No exit was ever intended. We will be there to guard the oil until the oil is gone.

I was in the US State

I was in the US State Department during this time - leaving after Rice arrived, knowing that she was the one responsible for the lies that brought us to this endless war in Iraq - everything in this article is true - and why isn't America mad as hell? Send it to everyone - hopefully we can get our country back...

Where were you and your

Where were you and your cronies back in '03 when maybe we could of stopped these idiots? We wanted blood and you and yours helped us get it. While I sincerely appreciate that you are finally opening your eyes, you are too late. The damage is done for the next several generations. The fear mongering you helped bring to politics through your LBJ atomic bomb ad has set the tone for the manipulation of the masses. This was the same reference to the "smoking gun" used so well by the Bushies. We elect a failed oil man - what the hell did we expect. He did repay this debts to his people. 41 should be proud. Keep up the good work, but don't cast too many stones. Best Regards, Bruce

All true in it's way. But

All true in it's way. But I'm looking for a little more nuance here, lest we become like the simple-spoken (to put it nicely) neo-cons we excoriate. Greenspan and Wolfowitz were right (it pains me to say so) in saying that's it's hard to economically coerce a wealthy nation. Invading because of the oil is different than invading for the oil. Of the oil giants who were recently given no-bid development rights (since rescinded) only one was American. Total is French and France vehemently opposed the invasion: BP is British; Shell is Dutch, and they weren't too happy about invading either. Lumping them together in this piece makes the Iraq invasion look like the result of a successful American corporate plot. Rupert Murdoch was (predictably) wrong about $20-a-barrel oil. So what was the purpose of the invasion? This isn't rhetorical; I'm asking. Perhaps, if you are a conspiracy theorist, it wasn't to secure access to more oil, but rather to take the Iraqi reserves off the market so that oil might go to $100+/barrel making much more profit to the companies, at less corporate expense, than actually extracting the stuff. Finally, the oil argument overlooks liberal culpability in this stupid war. We failed to stop the madness in Somalia in the early '90s; turned a blind eye on Rwanda in '96; were very late in the Balkans. Saddam Hussein was a very bad guy and many left-thinking people wanted him gone. I'm seeing very similar arguments now--and not without justice--about Zimbabwe and eastern Congo. These are complex issues in a complex world. Readers and writers both need to wrestle with the complexity.

Yo Bill We Love You. Keep

Yo Bill We Love You. Keep following the trail! It goes beyond Oil, to the BIG Money, which Orchestrates the US National Debt (buy- the -debt deals with Oil Producers), including keeping the DENOMINATION in US dollars and 'fixing' Oil Prices (all contrived) ....and emptying the US Treasury into Familiar Pockets though any and all kinds of Inflated Contracts... Do you think the Smart Money will be 'in US $' when the it (necessarily) tumbles? Stay Safe!

Smart men use information to

Smart men use information to sort out feelings and justify the most unjustifiable ungracious choices. Wise men use their feelings to sort information. The result is not the same. A wise man, like Mr. Moyers, will tell you how to get out of the hole you've dug yourself into and then help you do it. Smart man, like the ungracious men in the White House, will tell you to dig deeper then walk away. Wise men know they have souls and appreciate them. Smart men ask, "What good is a soul?" Invading and occupying Iraq was an ungracious 'smart' man's choice. It invites instructive consequences that generations of Americans will bear. Let's impeach the 'smart' men who were not wise enough to anticipate what history might have taught them as recently as 9.11: One does not disenfranchise a people in their own land without inviting instructive consequence to one's self in one's own land.

I have said it before and I

I have said it before and I will say it again: If we REALLY want to know why the Bush government lied so shamelessly to lead us into an unnecessary and illegal war... and even why 9/11 was allowed to happen... we need look no further than to ask the question: WHO PROFITED FROM IT?? For these corrupt, heartless, greedy bastards who are REALLY running things, it's all about money!

Saddam was all you say back

Saddam was all you say back when we supported him. It was only when he attempted to throw off the yoke of imperialism that we decided he needed to be replaced. When he attempted to stop the hemorrhaging of Iraqi wealth into Western pockets, he became a marked man. The underlying problem, however, is that we have allowed our government to be taken over by corporatists... and that has been going on for at least several decades. When Eisenhower warned of the M/I Complex, he uncovered part of it... and the worst part, I believe.

Of course it was for oil.

Of course it was for oil. The Project for a New American Century (PNAC), of which Cheney, Wolfowitz and many other key members of the Bush Administration were members, declared their intentions to attack those oil fields as early, I believe, as 1995 in PNAC policy reports. This earned them the nickname, "The Crazies", in DC power circles. In 2000, the Crazies took the White House and immediately implemented their plan, beginning perhaps with Cheney's secret meetings above. Then the either knew of in advance and allowed the attack on the Twin Towers on 911 (as FDR did with Pearl Harbor, which they wrote that they would need to justify taking America to war in the Middle East) or coordinated the attacks themselves, then craftily controlled the reactions of a fearful American public, identifying Hussein with Osama bin Laden in the public's mind along with other pretexts, now revealed as lies, to get us over there. While the individual members of PNAC (read The Bush White House) have all prospered tremendously along with their Big Oil/Big Corporate/Big Military pals. It's sick and disgusting high treason and crimes against humanity. They should all be publicly hanged!

Please Give Moyers the Meet

Please Give Moyers the Meet the Press desk!!!

What else would it be about?

What else would it be about? This was being reported in Mother Jones before the invasion. But they went further to make a very good point: it is also about controlling China's growth by limiting her access to the vast Iraqi oil reserve. We get cheap gas and they don't

Big oil is back in Iraq, but

Big oil is back in Iraq, but trouble still brews for the empire . It was the oil, all along. The Times finally admits as 5 oil companies divide up Iraq's oil. After a long exile, Exxon Mobil, Shell, Total and BP are back in Iraq. The dimshits that run/ruin our country were hoping to increase Iraq's oil production from 2.5 billion barrels to 6.5.(with the help of Exxon,BP, etc.) If that happened we'd be good oilwise/empire wise for another 30 -40 years. But-surprise, surprise-Iraq oil production is still at 2.5 billion barrels and will be for quite a while with all the turmoil we created. So, the best laid pipe dreams of Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush, assorted neo-cons are like the mythical Ozymandis--nothing, nada, gornicht...

That Bush, Cheney and their

That Bush, Cheney and their cohorts, along with big oil and many corporate entities have destroyed so much with their lust for power and their greed is truly one of the travesties of modern times. The US economy is in ruins along with an insurmountable debt burden placed on the American people. Who will bring these liars and thieves to justice. Not the judicial system that they have corrupted. Not the Congress that for the most part has been bought off with big money and war profits. Not the upper levels of the Pentagon and military that have become bloated with yes men and compliant stooges. That leaves only the American people, but I fear that they too have allowed themselves to become "victims" of this corrupt and amoral government. How sad that so few men, relatively speaking, could do so much damage in such a short period of time. What will they do with all their blood money when the econonmy and the environment comes crashing down on them and their families in the very near future. There are no words to express the anger and disgust that the world has for them. Shame on all of them!

The truths are being

The truths are being revealed. Not surprising to those who have been paying attention. Hard to imagine that the benefits outweigh the cost in lives lost or permanently damaged (not just US military), our country's reputation severely tarnished, the diversion of monies that could be spent to really protect the country. And the lies, the lies, the lies. How can a responsible Congress not initiate impeachment proceedings? Our country has been so seriously diminished by those who have purported to lead us.

I blame the Congress for

I blame the Congress for giving the worst president ever the most power ever. I blame Pelosi for not adhering to the constitution (viz: Impeachment cannot be taken off the table--by anyone).

That's old news. The real

That's old news. The real reason for war was apparent when the illegal invasion first started. So where were you then, Bill? Wealthy Conservatives who control the Media, such as Rupert Murdoch, saw it to be in their best interest to ensure that oil men such as Bush remained in power. The Media fed dialogue to "useful idiots" ....unthinking, flag-waving "Patriots"who didn't want to take a second look at what our government was doing, to disseminate misinformation. It was seen as "unpatriotic" if the truth was pointed out....if it was even made available in the press or TV. Those who dared to go against the propaganda, lost their jobs. Here's the best thing yet: the Media slowly poisoned the campaign of Hillary Clinton, so that Barak Obama would be the Democratic nominee. Ripe for the picking by powerful white Conservatives. The Media has led this naive country by the nose...payback is when we all figure out the game and dump reporters in the same bin as lawyers, used-car salesmen, and Congressmen....

No intelligent and

No intelligent and moderately informed citizen here or abroad questions that it was largely about oil, control of oil pricing and world access, military basing in a critical resource area, a protective arm for Israel, and the usual and requisite corporate plunder. At center as well and predictably neglected in the discussion is the U.S. claim to God's special privilege, the kind of exceptionalist attitude that "we" are always entitled to more. The dirtiest four-letter word in the American languate is "less." An old, 70's vintage movie, 3 days of the Condor, is prophetic. Americans want the oil and the material comfort it supports. They don't want to know what maintaining a privileged lifestyle requires.

Document reveals Nixon plan

Document reveals Nixon plan to seize Arab oil fields '70s embargo sparked 'last resort' measure, says British memo http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/01/02/MNG8G427D61.DTL Shows us that in '73 the DoD had plans to seize Saudi oil. Thirty years later they simply swapped Iraq into their gameplan and voila ! The movie Three Days Of The Condor showed us that Hollywood expected the NYTimes to print the real story, but that wasn't real life. In reality, the NYTimes doesn't print the truth, it instead helps to promote the causus belli du jour (WMD, spreading democracy, stopping Al Qaida , writing joke material for WH Correspondent's Dinners). We already know that we could eliminate dependence on foreign oil easily, "The U.S. imports almost two-thirds of the oil we use. Over the next 20 years, our dependence on foreign oil could be almost completely eliminated if the average fuel economy increases to 45 mpg instead of 25 mpg. " http://www. eia. doe. gov/kids/energyfacts/saving/efficiency/savingenergy. htmlEfficiencyConservation but the Congress, beholden to Big Oil and Big Money, refuses to do the rational thing. War makes money ! Go see John Cusack's great new satire, War Inc.

Duh!

Duh!

Can you say BOYCOTT??

Can you say BOYCOTT?? People just shrug their shoulders at the pump and then dump their hard-earned cash into the coffers of the robber barons. Why not boycott Exxon Mobil, Shell, Total and BP, not for a day but for the next five years? Organize rather than wring your hands. Then, let's put all that "profit" to better use by greening the planet. What are we waiting for?

What doe's it take to get it

What doe's it take to get it right,,,, expletives all over the place,, how much B. S. do you think we can listen to?????????????? Yes it's always been about oil,,,,, I love Bill Moyers, he's a hero of mine,,, and brave to question what is,,,,, and yes he's right what does t take for people to hear?????????? Thank you for tis post,,, R. W. B.

Does this mean my patriotism

Does this mean my patriotism is no longer in question when I hang my head in shame over the unthinkable acts that were allowed to happen as directed by this administration? Exactly WHO are the terrorists now?

Mighty Brazen.. Cheneys

Mighty Brazen.. Cheneys secret energy strategy meetings, Neo Con think tanks, the entire sly but obvious theft of Iraq oil. .nsarly a perfect crime.

To read the 'all about the

To read the 'all about the oil' explanation for Afghanistan, see Paul Sperry's book, "Crude Politics: How Bush and his oil cronies highjacked the war on terror." The cast of characters is fascinating. Zhalmay Khalilzad, Senator Sam Brownback, Unocal representative Hamid Karzai, Condoleeza Rice, oil people all. Benito Mussolini said fascism could properly be called 'corporatism,' because it was a collusion of big companies and government. Big energy, big pharmaceutical, big oil, big banksters, all have been enabled to write their own regulations under the fascist regime. They're all enjoying your hard earned money, and tax dollars, as we speak. Mission accomplished. None of the fascists, the gang of violent extremists who came to power in the Nixon-regime, and back again in the Reagan-Bush-Cheney regime, were concerned about the evils of their surrogates, the Taliban. They financed, trained, and armed the Taliban to defeat all other Afghans after those Afghans had 'defeated' the Soviets. US and Soviet foreign policy had conspired to depopulate the land, making half the 14 million Afghans refugees. They could care less about the 7 million too poor to flee who remained to be savaged by power-mad religious extremists, pseudo-Islamist Taliban, to match their own domestic allies, the pseudo-Christian extremists. But because the Taliban would not moderate their behavior they could not get 'recognized' as a legitimate government, enabling the fascists to access World Bank, International Monetary Fund, Asian Development Bank, and other funds, the Taliban had to go. And all those financiers had already made a huge investment, building the bridges and roads by which the Soviets were enabled to roll heavy tanks, trucks, artillery and personnel into Afghanistan. Mission accomplished, the Soviets withdrew. It's the lesson the Nazis learned when they stopped WWII, the law of diminishing returns. Their motive is an oil supply greater than Saudi Arabia's up in Kazakstan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajekistan, for which a pipeline through Afghanistan would be the best route out to China and the other dragon-sized economies of Asia. If only those native peoples weren't in the way, and now 7 million of them are not, and if only a financier-recognizable government were empowered to cooperate. Mission accomplished. Alan Greenspan said, "It IS all about the oil." But Murdoch demonstrates yet again that he is a fool, or a liar, when he intimates their motive is to supply that oil more cheaply to you. Robin Hood is a fairy tale. These are fascists and they only serve themselves, with all others to be trod underfoot, by bloody brute force and economic squeeze. Be of good cheer. I'm told other peoples don't consider America a 'real' country because it hasn't had its second revolution. The fascists want that revolution so they can exercise their totalitarian brutality, and the Americans are just the people to give it to them. Unfortunately, we'll all suffer in the process. America may not survive. It is good that some freedom of speech, freedom of (and from) religion, freedom of the press (media/internet), freedom of assembly, and freedom to petition for redress of grievances still exists. The fascist agenda has the removal of such representative Constitutional democracy as its agenda. Witness the 'Alito Veto,' the Presidential signing statements which nullified the Congress, secretly, the drift to the Spanish Inquisition style torture and the Nazi-like legalization of all things illegal. We're a long way over the edge and down the slippery slope to fascist rule. Each man, woman and child must decide what role they will play in defending America from the fascists. It's been a great country for this old man. I wish you luck in saving it.

Let me raise the bar a bit

Let me raise the bar a bit and state a higher case. This case is a logical progression and is not without a logical under-pinning. Those of you who listen to Ron Paul will remember that he notes how weak the US dollar is, being built on a house of cards. Nonetheless the dollar is currently the global monetary symbol but threatened by the euro. If Saddam Hussein sold his oil for euros, which I understand he wanted to do, this would put pressure on the dollar’s status. The principal competitors to the US in trade are in the same boat as to oil, not enough. Europe has need of oil for running its economy which competes with the US. Same for China. Thus if Iraq and the rest of the Middle East chose to sell for euros and not dollars, the US might be in a world of hurt. The point here is this, was it euros vs. dollar or just oil by itself that is the underlying issue for the US intervention in Iraq? If the US competitors have free access to oil what happens to the US industrial base----what’s left of it? Think along these lines---if we can’t have it (oil) no one will, and then look at troubled areas around the globe. Is there oil in the Sudan? How about Somalia? I was in both of these areas and as we opened the new US mission in Somalia following the Russian withdrawal, we just happened to occupy the old Sinclair offices. A cheap way to keep others out if you can’t have something is to create turmoil. Civil wars are a cheap answer and soon they are self sustaining. Thus oil may be the immediate answer but the underlying issues may lie at the feet of our foreign policy and its impacts on our economy and our worthless dollar. Thus we have a retrogressive slide into black gold mercantilism. To protect what we have we slip into a state of imperium, and thus use military command to extend dominion over populations distinct culturally and ethnically from ourselves. But this is not just imperium over any different group but groups with strategic resources. If we can’t help them into giving us their resources, we may be sure that they can’t share with others.

The real question to ask is

The real question to ask is why these bastards are not at the Hague awaiting trial for war crimes. Congress is complicit with the BA in the greatest screwover of the US public in history and Chomsky is right in saying the public is irrelevant in this age of corporate ownership of America. This is Network writ large and the only course of action is revolution to take this nation back from the criminals who are ruining it. We are in the most precarious position in history. We have no money, no oil, climate change is acceleration and the politicians and corporate masters haven't a clue to deal with the situation. Combine that with the fools we have running for President and one concludes that George Carlin was right in stating the owners of this country own you and what they want are people who are smart enough to run the machines do not question, something that has worked very well for the last 100 years but now, this kind of idiocy no longer works given the grave situation we are in. Moyers is a prince among jackals, a reporter who tells the truth. We need more people like him to get this country to wake up and change things. Good piece here. RM

The piece needed drastic

The piece needed drastic editing. Excess passion can kill nuanced commentary in a heartbeat. :). The real question to ask is why these bastards are not at the Hague awaiting trial for war crimes. Congress is complicit with the BA in the greatest screwover of the US public in history. (Chomsky is right in saying the public is irrelevant in this age of unbridled corporate power.) 2008 in the US is Network writ large and the only reasonable course of action to correct it is to have a revolution to take this nation back from the cororate/government criminals who are ruining it. We are in the most precarious position in history. We have no money, the oil age is ending, climate change is accelerating and the politicians and their corporate masters haven't a clue in knowing how to deal effectively with this grave situation. Combine that with the fools we have running for President and one concludes that George Carlin was right in stating the owners of this country own you and what they want are people who are smart enough to run the machines but not smart enough to question, something that has worked very well for the powers at be for the last 100 years but no longer as this once great country slowly slides into a depression that will make 1929 look like a walk in the park. Moyers is a prince among jackals, a reporter who tells the truth. We need more people like him to wake this country up and get people to change things for the better. Good piece here. RM

Ditto "Duh." I been saying

Ditto "Duh." I been saying "it's the oil" since late 2001/early 2002. Always, always, always follow the money.

Underlying the convergence

Underlying the convergence of interests . . . oil. If there were no oil in Iraq, there would have been no invasion/occupation. Everything else is either secondary or related to the control of the oil.

" These secret meetings took

" These secret meetings took place six months before 9/11". In Jan 2001, the new Bush administration knew terrorism was an issue of most importance and during the following months they knew of terrorists' intention to attack us inside the US. Bush and his team did not prevent, or were incapable of preventing 9-11. Why? Could it be that such an attack, which no one thought could have been as devastating as it was, was to be the catalyst that would help the policy makers attain their oil policy developed at these secret meetings?

Remember, the 2003 ruse

Remember, the 2003 ruse about this war not having anything to do with oil was concocted by the same crew that has repeatedly gotten the vast majority of Americans to vote against their own interests with the artful use of wedge issues. These are not stupid people here. I put it to you that sometimes politicians and members of the Power Elite will streach the truth in furtherance of money and power.

your just realising this

your just realising this now????? For Gods sake anyone with half a brain new this before you went in !

What do we do now other than

What do we do now other than turn off Fox t.v. and other B.S.M.S.M. news and radio talk networks that have made millions on our gullibility?

Buy a car that doesn't run

Buy a car that doesn't run on oil. There are a few models out there and at surprisingly reasonable prices. India, by the way is developing one of the models for personal and mass transit, that run on little more than air... google "air car"

It's a shame the media

It's a shame the media didn't ask the hard questions in the beginning of this mess. Journalists tiptoed around this administration and need to take some responsibility for the consequences. The oil barons, along with Cheney & Company wrapped themselves in the flag of black gold while thousands died and countless thousands have been scared for life. I guess the smell of money surpasses the odor of death.

A brief examination of the

A brief examination of the Bush family resume should show that as much as anything else, it was about weapon's sales. From great grandaddy Samuel, working for legendary Wall Street hustler Bernard Baruch's War Industries Board and the extremely convenient Lusitania disaster (the only people who didn't know about three million rounds of Percy Rockefeller's Remington .303 mmo were the passengers), to grandaddy Prescott arming of the Nazis (takes one to know one) to Daddy and Iran Contra, well you get the picture. Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, 911, a good cop couldn't miss this, um, pattern.

What should WE do?

What should WE do?

Stopping the flow of oil was

Stopping the flow of oil was an engine for profit beginning in 2003. Suggesting that Iraq oil can now be ours while gas prices are spiking "out of control" is an engine for Republican advancement in 2008. To say "it was for the oil" suggest that getting the oil was the goal. This is like saying the RFK assassination was about obtaining handguns. The left tends to get on tangents that are based only on what "wiser ones" say, rather than a close examination of the facts. The oil from Iraq has not flowed to the market. Who benefits from controlling the oil markets is the point. Of course it has been the Saudis and BOB's (Buddies of Bush).

Lao-Ren is right: "So what

Lao-Ren is right: "So what was the purpose of the invasion? This isn't rhetorical; I'm asking. Perhaps, if you are a conspiracy theorist, it wasn't to secure access to more oil, but rather to take the Iraqi reserves off the market so that oil might go to $100+/barrel making much more profit to the companies, at less corporate expense, than actually extracting the stuff." And conspiracy is not a dirty word as it has been painted... cannot the actions of Cheney/Rice/Rumsfeld/Bush and their croneys be considered a conspiracy? But that's a topic for another debate (read the intro on page 8 of David Ray Griffin's "Deunking 911 Debunking") I would posit a second and longer term agenda for all the duplicity and death brought about by the illegal unconstitutional Iraq war: Access to new monetary markets by world bank czars. I don't have empirical evidence I can cite on this, but maybe other folks can point Mr. Moyers in an additional direction of research.... isn't it against the Islamic faith/tradition to loan money with interest? What will be the other industry that gains a needed foothold in order to advance its agenda for more control? The fractional reserve banking cartels... install a government that is coerced by force to accept a fiat as their currency and you are well on your way to paying the "vig" to the cronies who run the world's finances.... it's a triple play, or perfect storm: suppress oil reserves, control pricing gain a foothold on new lending markets churn the military / industrial complex all the while on the backs of taxpayers good work if you can get it (and keep it). Can you imagine Moyers taking over Meet the Press?! brilliant! (will never happen, he speaks too much truth to power, we can't have that).

Bill Moyers for President.

Bill Moyers for President. Bush/Cheney for Trial.

DARFUR an OIL ISSUE? You

DARFUR an OIL ISSUE? You also might write in as a sideline that the Darfur Genocide is an oil play. Just take a look at what the Chinese are doing there relative to exploratory drilling. Add to this the location and direction of the World Bank's pipeline terminus that runs up through the Cameroon as as a final element how the council of Foreign Relations and State Department vehemently deny that oil is a driving factor. You certainly would not believe our Department of State would you?

are you telling me there

are you telling me there were never any W.M.D.?

It was mostly about Bush

It was mostly about Bush getting re-elected. But it was also about oil, Israel, and corporate profits.

Unfortunately, there is only

Unfortunately, there is only going to be more of this, not less. Our energy supply is waning...alternatives are not coming fast enough...and the peak oil liquid fuels crisis is already upon us.

I encourage you to check out this post of five videos, of which one of them is the Moyers video...others include Krugman, Rubin, and Kunstler. Taken together, these videos paint a very gloomy picture:

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/4226

I encourage you to learn more about our plateauing oil supply with this overview:

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/4172

If we don't get our

If we don't get our diplomatic juices flowing and start to communicate and cooperate with the people and governments on the rest of the planet, the whole place is going to go up in multiple conflagrations over oil. Iran is on the pyre now and there are those who are desperately trying to light the fuel wood. We will end up in mortal competition and armed struggle with the Chinese over oil pretty fast if we can't get it together around figuring out how to get along. There is a great deal we can do to help each other out--if we choose to do so! Meanwhile, The Far Right will have us going to war for the right to drive our Humvees into Hell. It seems quite likely this will happen if Greed Inc. is allowed the continued use of our government and the military as their minions.

Boycott or GENERAL STRIKE?

Boycott or GENERAL STRIKE? Let's pick a day. We ALL stay home. Don't drive unless it's an emergency. Read Ghandi and Martin Luther King. We must use our sheer numbers in a peaceful resistance to corporate domination!

It was all about shutting

It was all about shutting the Iraqi oil-spigot OFF, creating the demand for oil that we now have... with billions in profits for the Oil Companies. BRILLIANT don't you see? Bush aint no dummy. However, he and his cadre are war profiteers, and war criminals. As for the rest of you, "sing while you slave". PS; Vote all you want, the flight plan is NOT going to change. THE PARTY (Republicrats) will make sure of that... they count the votes, and own the voting machines. PPS; Moyers is a rare journalist. "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." Orwell

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