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McCain: I'd Spy on Americans Secretly, Too

by: Ryan Singel  |  Wired

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Republican presidential contender Senator John McCain (R-Arizona) holds a cell phone. McCain said he believes in the right of a president to use wartime powers to spy on Americans.
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    If elected president, Senator John McCain would reserve the right to run his own warrantless wiretapping program against Americans, based on the theory that the president's wartime powers trump federal criminal statutes and court oversight, according to a statement released by his campaign Monday.

    McCain's new tack towards the Bush administration's theory of executive power comes some 10 days after a McCain surrogate stated, incorrectly it seems, that the senator wanted hearings into telecom companies' cooperation with President Bush's warrantless wiretapping program, before he'd support giving those companies retroactive legal immunity.

    As first reported by Threat Level, Chuck Fish, a full-time lawyer for the McCain campaign, also said McCain wanted stricter rules on how the nation's telecoms work with U.S. spy agencies, and expected those companies to apologize for any lawbreaking before winning amnesty.

    But Monday, McCain adviser Doug Holtz-Eakin, speaking for the campaign, disavowed those statements, and for the first time cast McCain's views on warrantless wiretapping as identical to Bush's.

[N]either the Administration nor the telecoms need apologize for actions that most people, except for the ACLU and the trial lawyers, understand were Constitutional and appropriate in the wake of the attacks on September 11, 2001. [...]

     We do not know what lies ahead in our nation's fight against radical Islamic extremists, but John McCain will do everything he can to protect Americans from such threats, including asking the telecoms for appropriate assistance to collect intelligence against foreign threats to the United States as authorized by Article II of the Constitution.

    The Article II citation is key, since it refers to President Bush's longstanding arguments that the president has nearly unlimited powers during a time of war. The administration's analysis went so far as to say the Fourth Amendment did not apply inside the United States in the fight against terrorism, in one legal opinion from 2001.

    McCain's new position plainly contradicts statements he made in a December 20, 2007, interview with the Boston Globe where he implicitly criticized Bush's five-year secret end-run around the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

    "I think that presidents have the obligation to obey and enforce laws that are passed by Congress and signed into law by the president, no matter what the situation is," McCain said.

    The Globe's Charlie Savage pushed further, asking , "So is that a no, in other words, federal statute trumps inherent power in that case, warrantless surveillance?" To which McCain answered, "I don't think the president has the right to disobey any law."

    McCain's embrace of extrajudicial domestic wiretapping is effectively a bounce-back from Fish's comments, made at the Computers, Freedom and Privacy conference in Connecticut last month. When liberal blogs picked up the story that McCain had moved to the left on wiretapping, the McCain campaign issued a letter insisting that he still supported unconditional immunity, as well as new rules that would expand the nation's spy powers.

    The campaign's response was consistent with McCain's past positions and votes. But it riled Andrew McCarthy at the conservative National Review Online, who read the campaign's position as a disavowal of Bush's warrantless wiretapping program, and a wimpy surrender of executive power to Congress.

    "What does it mean when he says Sen. McCain does not want the telecoms put into this position again?" McCarthy asked. "Is he saying that in a time of national crisis, the president should not be permitted to ask the telecoms for assistance that is arguably beyond what is prescribed in a statute?"

    That's when the campaign issued the letter explaining McCain's new views of executive power, and revealing that McCain would, in certain future circumstances, rely on the same theory of executive power in wartime.

    A spokesperson for McCain's camp did not respond to a request Monday for an explanation of the difference between the new policy and the December interview.

  

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The only people that are

The only people that are stupid enough to think that McCain would change ANYTHING are the same 25% of Americans that think our so-called "president" Bush is still doing a good job. And it just seems a foregone conclusion that 25% of the citizens of our great country are dumber than fried chicken! It's up to the other 75% of us to make sure that these corrupt and deceitful old white men - who are running the show for the enrichment of their greedy corporate masters - are cast OUT! Into political OBLIVION! FOREVER!

This is exactly what we

This is exactly what we need. Another president who believes he is entitled to do whatever he pleases without accountability, another president who stands for nothing but perpetual war, another president who dismisses the interests of the people he was elected to represent. "you get a sense that people, that they are are looking for something different now...we aren't going to play the same old games, not this time"

McBush should not only not

McBush should not only not be President, he should be among the legislators, Republican and Democrat alike, who should be in front of the ICC on charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity. These would be the legislators who voted to give the current President his dearest dream, a blank check to totally slime the Constitution and destroy everything this country was, at least on paper, supposed to stand for...like human rights, rule of law, and not torturing anyone for the simple reason that, along with being illegal by multiple statutes, is immoral and barbaric. If John McBush becomes President, the final nail in the Constitutions coffin will be driven in place forever. If however, the Senate and Congress become a veto-proof Democratic majority under a President McBush, it will be time to castrate McBush by removing his "war powers" forever. All it takes is a rescinding of the force authorization which is already long past obsolete, and yet still providing the current White House with all the power it needs to destroy any semblance of the Constitution that is left. Remove the war from War President, and what do you get, another day older and a few dollars less in debt!

McBush should not only not

McBush should not only not be President, he should be among the legislators, Republican and Democrat alike, who should be in front of the ICC on charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity. These would be the legislators who voted to give the current President his dearest dream, a blank check to totally slime the Constitution and destroy everything this country was, at least on paper, supposed to stand for...like human rights, rule of law, and not torturing anyone for the simple reason that, along with being illegal by multiple statutes, is immoral and barbaric. If John McBush becomes President, the final nail in the Constitutions coffin will be driven in place forever. If however, the Senate and Congress become a veto-proof Democratic majority under a President McBush, it will be time to castrate McBush by removing his "war powers" forever. All it takes is a rescinding of the force authorization which is already long past obsolete, and yet still providing the current White House with all the power it needs to destroy any semblance of the Constitution that is left. Remove the war from War President, and what do you get, another day older and a few dollars less in debt!

Badbf, Your facts are

Badbf, Your facts are correct, but the problem with your suggestion becomes obvious when you do the arithmetic. 25% of us will vote for McCain because of terminal stupidity, and 50% of us will not vote. That only leaves 25% of us to vote intelligently, meaning that the November election is liable to be the same old horse race it has been for the last couple of elections. You need to flip a coin to pick a winner, unless the Republicans steal it again...

Well, well, it appears we

Well, well, it appears we have a potential continuation of the Bush regime in McCain. The fact is that none of the terrorists were American to begin. Who paid them is open to another question. Why they did what they did and the obvious repercussions to two countries brought to ruins by American retaliation does not make sense. Bush made sense of it and did what he did. We surmise McCain has the same carte blanche even though nothing has happened since. Clearly, though, there must be Constitutional rights for American citizens against Federal surveillance of an arbitrary kind. The sanctity of that notion is already passe'. "Live Free or Die" appears to a thing of the past as well. Perhaps the British are re-invading us. Somehow I can't see the Iraqis mucking around on our soil but does that give us the right to muck around on theirs? Or, let's ask Condi, what's AIPAC's view on the Iranian subject? Debka says bombing is just beyond the horizon. Soon, I'd say. Bush away! McCain not in!!!

McCain McBush McSame

McCain McBush McSame

I _know_ I would not vote

I _know_ I would not vote for John McCain now, if any of this is true. What is missing is that there was no formal declaration of war, hence Bush's wiretapping and other 'security' measures are against the law. Hasn't anyone else figured that out yet?!

Bush approval might be 25%

Bush approval might be 25% but congress is down closer to 15%. Guess who makes up the majority of congress. Can you say liberals?

What about the US

What about the US Constitution? The Constitution forbids warrantless search and seizure. I don't think the War Powers Act can trump the Constitution. Neither does the US Constitution give the Congress the right to give the president (or anybody else) permission to search and spy on Americans without a warrant and probable cause. All of these people take an oath to the Constitution. Read: Bastard Sons of the Founding Fathers, @ anonymousource.com.

Don't elect him! Impeach him!

Don't elect him! Impeach him!

Don't elect him! Impeach

Don't elect him! Impeach him!!!!!

This man is an idiot too.

This man is an idiot too. ahhhhhhh..........

"Congress shall make no

"Congress shall make no law..." in contravention to the law of the land, the U.S. Constitution. Yet, that is exactly what has happened. The Constitution requires a formal declaration of war from congress prior to going into prolonged armed conflict and invading another country. This has not happened. Since there has not been a formal declaration of war from Congress, no legitimate wartime Constitutional Presidential powers can be assumed. Now, McCain says he will continue this assault against our rights and the Constitution which guarantees them.

Pulitzer Prize winning

Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Robert Scheer opined recently: “it is difficult to square the ex-POW’s unequivocal condemnation of torture with his accommodation to President Bush’s torture policy. Holding Senate hearings on torture, McCain brought the weight of his own experiences against the administration’s flimsy rationalizations. He even held to that principled position during the early primaries, but then ended up voting for legislation that has helped make torture legal, at least in the eyes of the president.” Now McCain says that he would approve and institute unlimited warrantless surveillance on Americans himself! These two issues taken together point to the fact that McCain thinks wartime powers trump the Constitution. That should be enough to disqualify him for holding any public office. If McCain echoing the Bush Administration hold that the Constitution is now not relevant and neither is the Bill of Rights they are also admitting that they are anti-constitutional candidates. That by any other name is totalitarianism and that to all freedom loving Americans is the very opposite of security. It should be considered treason.

The Constitution Proceeds My

The Constitution Proceeds My Being - My Response to McCain I come from Nixon's old congressional district and as God is my Fuhrer believe that: We are in a state of constitutional crisis. For Rumsfeld to lobby on intelligence reform and now have military acts off the books means that the "linchpin" of the constitution, the taxing and spending powers of Congress, of raising standing armies, has now been violated. My Congressman David Dreier now has no way to effect neither my Liberty nor my Republic. Our constitution was specifically designed to avoid this combination of the President's office with the Defense Department; that the King shall not have his own standing army to send willy-nilly to wherever he thinks he has the pleasure too. The appointment of a sitting General to an executive position - the CIA - only consolidates this dangerous process that is under play. The basis for this power grab, the claim of inherent power of the president, has already been settled under Nixon's attempt during the so-called Vietnam War. As Nixon’s assistant attorney general Rehnquist made the argument of inherent power to wiretap the White Panther Party without a warrant – during a war. This power, which was claimed to be held, under the President’s Oath of Office, was rejected by the Supreme Court in a unanimous decision against suspending all or parts of the Constitution. Because this was Rehnquist’s argument as assistant attorney general he had to recuse himself from his very first decision after being appointed to the Supreme Court and rightly so. And guess what? America was still standing in the morning after this and Nixon's resignation avoiding his impeachment. This is in spite of a average of 6 bombings a day, 86 killed policemen, and a record 33,604 thousand injuries between the fall of 1969 and spring of 1970 by our own citizens protesting over the illegal invasion of Cambodia. Not to mention the response and statistics to the the duration of the Vietnam war. That is why I can never believe McCain and the neo-cons or Alitos et al., claims to absolute presidential power as Commander-and-Chief even during war. Was not Nixon's claim during a war? And did not the Supreme Court rule absolutely not? It is the same Aoth of Office is it not? Unfortunately, old Rehnquist conveniently ignored this when he reviewed his history of the power of the President during war. He brings up WWI and WWII in this review. But, for some reason, he completely skips how his “inherent” argument on presidential power was slapped down by the Supreme Court during the undeclared, illegal and immoral so-called Vietnam War. This is bald face intellectual dishonesty, if not outright historical revisionism, that completely belies the important decision on the necessity of War - not to mention the young lives thrown willy-nilly into harm's way. This missing history is more reason why I completely reject McCain's medieval thesis that constitutional government is too weak to survive in a difficult world and that we should defer to a sole sovereign power since 9/11. In all we have become weaker since taking on this post 9/11 repeat of Rehnquist's "in terrorem" position. (I would like to read his memo on the subject of presidential power and the invasion of Cambodia but alas that memo has disappeared, nowhere to be found on the Internet. The persuasive force of his ideas no longer count I can only suppose). I only fear that if our new Supreme Court Justices Roberts and Alito accept and reverse this court decision and take what was a tragedy we survived and turn a repeated claim of 17th century inherent power into a farce that destroys the sheet anchor of our Republic - our precious Constitution – along with the Bill of Rights. I would rather throw Bush and McCain overboard than our Constitutional Rights. I am Citizen Michael John Keenan. Live Free or Die! Rehnquists memo is now posted at the DOD. Michael John Keenan 339 West Tenth Streeet Claremont, Ca 91711 909-753-9832

McCain is basically making a

McCain is basically making a FALSE claim of sovereignty that does not exist under our Constitution. Back in the day such people were handed over to a mob and strung up to a lamp post. Benito Mussolini was the last lamp poster. Telecoms immunity should come with a lamp post.

this is simply another cover

this is simply another cover for an out of control government. McCain cannot "reserve" a RIGHT that does not exist. He should be tried for treason and then shot if convicted. Of course th e535 congress critters would never permit him to be convicted. Id that shoul d ahppen it might foreshadow their own future should they ever occupy the Offal Office.

Am I the only person who

Am I the only person who has ever seen both versions of "Tje Manchurian Candidate?" Not too long aog there wa a published survey regarding the relative safety of the nations of the world. Personal safety in one country wa way above the next closest. That country was North Korea. Welcome Home America! Remember, the only proven WMDs sinve 9/11 are the words fo Mass Deception conceived in and promulgated by the inhabitant of the Offal Office.

The constitution formed a

The constitution formed a republic, not a democracy, to empower the wealthy and rich against the people!.. It does not allow anyone any active particpiation in the government unless the person is elected to the senate, house or whitehouse. Elected elites are protected from whatever they want to do.. by the constitution they wrote and the people are supposed to be protected from the government by the bill of rights. What is the nature of the amendment needed?

the likely reason for

the likely reason for congress having a lower approval rating than bush is their failure since 2006 to serve up the end of the illegal occupation of iraq or to begin impeachment hearings for bush and/or cheney. you can also thank the majority of the republicans for lack of production in congress due to their strategy of stonewalling anything and everything simply to make the "democratically led" congress look more ineffectual than they are.trent lott declared this would be their m.o. back in 2006. while boehner, bush and other grand hypocrites accuse the democrats of "partisanship" and "political theatre" any time they can get their whine on, it's actually the repugnicans who are digging in their heels out of spite.

So McCain said he believes

So McCain said he believes in the right of a president to use wartime powers to spy on Americans. IF WE HAVE NOT DECLARED WAR, HOW CAN THERE BE WARTIME POWERS? I am sick of the press not calling attention to the fact that the Constitution of the United States gives Congress alone the authority to formally declare war. Where are those who are supposed to be representing us - US the American people - not the oil companies and not the arms dealers and not the filthy rich? Oh. I forgot. Most of the members of Congress are filthy rich too and don't want to rock the yacht. It doesn't look like meaningful campaign finance reform is in the cards for the same reason....

I did not see the posts

I did not see the posts about the constitution and declaration of war before I submitted my own. I am so glad that there are a few people who get it! Readers of Truthout, thank you!

A Russian immigrant put it

A Russian immigrant put it succinctly. The Soviet leadership kept the people in line by indoctrination and described the process. “We live in the greatest country on earth! Sound familiar, No? You must listen to your leaders because the know things you don’t. Sound familiar, No? Other people hate us because they are jealous. Sound familiar, No? You must serve the Fatherland, protect it from our enemies. Sound familiar, No? Then the Soviet Union falls because of its weakness and I come to the U.S. where everything was beautiful until the tragedy and all the things I remember from the old days started to happen here. Remember the answer to 1984 is 1776” Why is it that who we are is so clear to an outsider? Why is it that we, in the aggregate, have no clue as to what it was that made our nation great? We were a nation of determined outcasts who had the guts to head into hostile lands bringing our babies with us and make a life for ourselves. We were a nation of people who would climb into the hold of a ship with not much more than the clothes on our backs and sail thousands of miles egged on by a mere dream and a possibility. Now look at us, hiding in our apartments with our widescreens and our duct tape snarling and attacking anyone who gets too close, even chewing our own leg. Thank God good people want to come here. They are our lifeline to who we can be, who we should be, who we can be again if we only stop listening to the boogey man.

I could not agree more with

I could not agree more with the excellent written comment by Michael Keenan. This country forgets we are a republic rules by law not a corrupt majority or falsified majority. The news is no longer credible and talking mouth pieces continue to steer the American people toward praising a dictatorship for keep them safe from an unseen small group of people. When we choose to give up our liberties in the name of fear we can no longer call ourselves American Patriots.