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Obama and the Progressive Base

by: Norman Solomon, t r u t h o u t | Perspective

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"The Audacity of Hope" is embraced during an Obama campaign rally on the eve of the Super Tuesday primaries. Supporters have long projected their hopes onto Barack Obama. (Photo: Reuters)

    A reasonably evenhanded biography of Barack Obama, published last year, describes him as "an exceptionally gifted politician who, throughout his life, has been able to make people of wildly divergent vantage points see in him exactly what they want to see." The biographer, David Mendell, reports, "the higher he soared, the more this politician spoke in well-worn platitudes and the more he offered warm, feel-good sentiments lacking a precise framework."

    Now, less than four months before Election Day, with growing disquiet among significant portions of Obama's progressive base, the current negative reactions can't be dismissed as potshots from the political margins. Even The New York Times, in a July 4 editorial headlined "New and Not Improved," has expressed alarm: "We are not shocked when a candidate moves to the center for the general election. But Mr. Obama's shifts are striking because he was the candidate who proposed to change the face of politics, the man of passionate convictions who did not play old political games."

    But on July 8, Obama made a valid point - even if it wasn't exactly the point he was trying to make - when he disputed "this whole notion that I am shifting to the center" and argued: "The people who say this apparently haven't been listening to me." Overall, his career as a politician has embraced conciliation and compromise rather than pushing against centrist corporate agendas.

    These days, an appreciable number of Obama supporters are starting to use words like "disillusionment." But that's a consequence of projecting their political outlooks onto the candidate in the first place.

    The best way to avoid becoming disillusioned is to not have illusions in the first place.

    The more that spotlights move from Obama's uplifting eloquence to his specific policy positions, complete with loopholes and wiggle room, it's predictable that some of his progressive base will become displeased - whether on issues related to the death penalty, fair trade, government funding of religious-based projects, Iraq, Iran, evenhandedness between Israel and Palestinians, gun control or (perhaps most flagrantly) warrantless surveillance.

    On Wednesday, when Obama cast a vote in the Senate to undermine the Fourth Amendment, he fulfilled his frequent prediction during the primary season that "I will make mistakes." This was a very big one. As an attorney who's well acquainted with constitutional law, he participated in damaging one of the most precious provisions in the precious Bill of Rights.

    Barack Obama is an extremely smart guy. And I can't remember a major contender for president less inclined to insult the intelligence of the public. Let's return the favor by directly challenging him when appropriate. We'd do him - and the Obama campaign, ourselves and the country as a whole - no favors by opting for silence instead.

    We can help the Obama for President effort when we hold him to his good positions - and move to buck him up when he wavers.

    While speaking of the Iraq war, Obama made one of the most insightful statements of the primary campaign: "I don't want to just end the war; I want to end the mindset that got us into war." He needs to be held to that wisdom. Obama should feel enormous counterpressure from the grassroots against the forces in the media and foreign-policy establishment that are pushing him to go wobbly on ending the Iraq war.

    The vortex of what Martin Luther King Jr. called "the madness of militarism" is enormously powerful - and, in the context of presidential politics, routinely enticing. To the extent that Obama gears up anti-Iran rhetoric that he seemed to have mercifully abandoned months ago, for instance, he may reassure some pundits and other influential power brokers in Washington, but at the same time he's liable to weaken some of the allegiance to his candidacy among progressive constituencies.

    As an elected Obama delegate to the Democratic National Convention, I've been hearing from people who are upset by the recent direction of the campaign. Some were always a bit skeptical of Obama, but are becoming much more so. Others have been strong supporters from the outset. In the latter category, an attorney sent an email to me a few days ago: "I must confess that my enthusiasm for Senator Obama has waned in recent weeks with a number of his policy announcements (on FISA, gun control, etc.). While I of course will vote for him and help him get elected, I must say that I feel a bit deflated after having put so much hope, effort and money into his candidacy."

    Obama and his top advisers will have to gauge the importance of such deflation and waning enthusiasm. A key factor in the election will be the extent to which the Obama campaign can pull off a massive mobilization of voters. Deflated constituencies don't mobilize as well as inspired ones.

    Anyone who assumes Obama will be elected president in November is on ground as solid as the assumption in 2000 that Al Gore would be elected president. On July 9, when releasing new results from nationwide polling, the Democratic research outfit, Greenberg Quinlan Rosner, reported Obama has a mere four-point lead over John McCain. Despite its propensity to spin for Democrats and its eagerness to note Obama seems "well-positioned," the firm acknowledged "some diminished enthusiasm for the presumptive Democratic nominee and only small gains among independent voters."

    Some progressives, now disaffected, might consider the prospect of Obama falling short on Election Day to be his problem, not ours. But this isn't about Obama. It's about whether the levers of power in the Executive Branch, and the Supreme Court along with it, are going to be redelivered into the hands of the right wing for yet another four years.

    We're facing the historic imperative of keeping McCain out of the White House. If major progressive change is going to be feasible during the next several years, defeating McCain in November is necessary. And insufficient. The insufficiency does not negate the necessity.

    Under a McCain presidency, we'd be back to square one, where we've found ourselves since January 2001. Putting Obama in the White House would not by any means ensure progressive change, but under his presidency, the grassroots would have an opportunity to create it.

    Along the way, let's strive to eliminate disillusionment by dispensing with illusions. No one who is a presidential candidate can proceed to overcome corporate power or the warfare state. The pervasive and huge problems that have proved to be so destructive are deep, structural and embedded in the political economy. The changes most worth believing in are the ones social movements can make possible.

  

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Norman Solomon is co-chair of the national Healthcare NOT Warfare campaign, launched by Progressive Democrats of America. He is the author of a dozen books including "War Made Easy: How Presidents and Pundits Keep Spinning Us to Death." For more information, go to: www.normansolomon.com.

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If all that is good about

If all that is good about Obama is a "projection" upon him by the progressives and McCain is more of the same horror, then it is time to follow in the footsteps of our founders and tear this nation apart with revolution and rebuild it again with the values of freedom, civil rights, equal protection, free speech, and justice unhindered by the corporate powers that have worked to gut the constitution.

Just yesterday (i.e., after

Just yesterday (i.e., after the FISA vote) I wrote the following to the Obama campaign,cc:'ed to some people I know. I'm particularly interested in responses to my last point, that Obama could LEAD, rather than just respond to "us," which is to say progressives acting as a pressure group. I am not ready to join the "no illusions" camp as defined by Solomon. An old radical -- now an attorney -- said he has already decided to work for Green Party candidate Cynthia McKinney, having abandoned the more immediate kind of pressure forthe possibility a greater long-term shift here in the USA. Here's the Open Letter: "Obama/Dem capitulation on FISA: Unconscionable by any reasonable perspective I can imagine. Far more disturbing than much other "shift to center" stuff I'm also unhappy about. If someone like myself concludes (certainly possible by now) that despite all his intelligence and moral depth, Barack has chosen to pair the rhetoric of hope with catastrophic "realism" (only way to get accepted, elected blah blah blah).... ...then its likely that many more centrist or even conservative-but-potential-Obama-voters will suspect he is a slick faker, or has shakey principles at best. If that happens, then his most pragmatic and realistic advisors will not only undermine any serious possibility of change, but perhaps even help elect John McCain in this seemingly most anti-Republican of times. I hope someone out there is still listening, because there is a completely different way to put this: Barack must LEAD. That does not mean saying things I agree with. It does mean taking certain risks in using the campaign to promote serious democratic debate -- about nasty realities from Irag/Afghanistan/Iran/Pakistan to hardcore poverty to uncivil liberties to the planetary economy. These discussions can not be based on just what people already know, or think they know and believe. The worse things become, the more "triangulation" becomes pandering becomes incompetent (at best) leadership. That I should be raising these questions in reflecting upon the Obama campaign is already a deeply disheartening reality. Please. How bad must things be before you act from an understanding that "transformation" is not some stupid lost-cause idealism, not some equivocal Clinton-like policy, but where the walk will meet the talk?"

What a waste. It's not

What a waste. It's not worth anyone's time, money or effort to elect this FRAUD. Progress was never handed to us on a silver platter by an elected politician. Progress can ONLY be one through struggle and making demands. Look at the Vietnam war: it was started by DEMOCRATS based on LIES (ring any bells?) and it was ended under a republican president! Not because Nixon was a closet hippie, but because millions of people refused to cooperate with the government and widespread revolt and mutiny within the military itself. All this time and energy being wasted on Obama are resources that should instead go into building a mass antiwar movement--because only when we organize independently from the two pro-war corporate parties will we have the power to force an end to the war, regardless of which party is in power. Fighting for Obama only delays and co-opts the creation of such a mass movement.

Balderdash. The statement:

Balderdash. The statement: "Putting Obama in the White House would not by any means ensure progressive change, but under his presidency, the grassroots would have an opportunity to create it" has no basis in reality. Obama has already gone back on his election financing promise; weasled on FISA; embraced a strengthening of faith-based government intervention; etc. I'm not a progressive, have changed my registration to Independent thanks to the primary process -- and am not disillusioned. Obama has always appeared to be a weak reed, bending in the wind -- it's just that more people are realizing it. And the "grass roots" should not have any expectations of influencing him were he to win the presidency.

Don't under estimate

Don't under estimate McCain....he is a white male war hero...and that may be all he needs. but he is also wrong on all the issues, is foggy with age, and has a deeply imbedded war mindset. Obama's strength was "change", but he is slipping into the old system.... leaving behind the change attitude that inspired us. McCain will overtake him just as Bush overtook Al Gore. Just you watch and see!!!

Come off it. Obama may not

Come off it. Obama may not be a sainted liberal, but don't sell him short. A sum total of 10 seconds--10 SECONDS--contemplating the alternative should be enough to make you see this election for what it is--2000 all over again. Your friends may be disillusioned with Obama, but they sure as hell better not stay home and let McCain win this one. Given the present Supreme Court, it'd better not even be close.

Yes - we in Europe are a bit

Yes - we in Europe are a bit disillusioned by our last great hope to get a change in US foreign policy. But of course we well know no politician can ever tell the truth or he (she) wouldn't get elected! People here seem to think it will all depend on getting out the youth ,y non-white, and poor white vote. And without the enthusiasm that got Obama where he is - mabe he won't and we'll be stuck with another 4 ? 8? (depending on running mate?) of disastrous Bushery with all the hubris and blindness that goes with it.

Shifting to the center is

Shifting to the center is supposed to be what Dems do. Clinton did, and he squeaked into the presidency courtesy of Ross Perot. Gore did, and although he want the presidency(Do we all know he won Florida?) he didn't win any kind of overwhelming victory that would havekept the Supremes off his case. Kerry did, and we know what happened to him. "What kind of guy is Obama?" That's what the country wants to know. We are getting some insight through this massive betrayal in his FISA vote. He promised one thing, he did another. And it wasn't even a compromise, it was a complete coave-in. One doesn't normally go to Pat Buchanan for reasoned insightful political commentary. But in this case, his article "Don't Misunderestimate Obama"(available at websites everywhere) hits the mark pretty well. Best wishes, Alan McConnell

The problem with your

The problem with your position is that America needs progressive solutions to its problems. If Obama is not a progressive, then our problems will continue to grow. And progressives will be blamed for the non-progressive solutions offered up by Obama and the Democratic party leadership. I say let identifiable non-progressives screw up the country and take the blame. The problem all along with Obama is that he has been masquerading as a progressive.

So if that many voters still

So if that many voters still Republican rule and Obama at best is only going to "greenwash" their destruction of the Republic, why not just let it go to its logical conclusion. The system is much more likely to fail and get renewed under McCain's mismanagement than kept alive under a DINO like Obama.

Norman: I love FAIR that

Norman: I love FAIR that you created. But I must take you to task for your stand on Obama. You say that we should dispense with illusions. Fair enough. It's an illusion, which you have been part of purveying (see my essay "Into the Abyss" posted 4/8/08), that an Obama presidency is the leading edge and critical part of building a progressive social movement. Obama is capitulating because he is not a candidate of the people. He is a candidate for big capital and for imperialist empire. When he said "I want to end the mindset that got us into war" he means that he thinks the Iraq war was handled badly. He doesn't mean that he thinks that wars of conquest are a bad idea per se. He does not say this because he opposes violating the UN Charter's prohibition against committing the gravest war crime of all: attacking a country that has not attacked you - which is precisely what the war on Iraq was and what the coming attack on Iran is. As I stated (in part) in my 6/16/08 essay at Counterpunch, "Of Whales and Worms:" "On July 27, 2004, while running for the Senate, Obama said about Iraq: 'There's not that much difference between my position and George Bush's position at this stage. The difference, in my mind, is who's in a position to execute.' The Chicago Tribune went on to say that Obama, 'now believes US forces must remain to stabilize the war-ravaged nation, a policy not dissimilar to the current approach of the Bush administration.'" As Obama's 7/9/08 remarks on Iran indicate, he endorses the Bush fabrications for a military attack on Iran: "These missile tests demonstrate once again that we need to change our policy to deal aggressively with the threat posed by the Iranian regime. Through its nuclear program, missile capability, meddling in Iraq, support for terrorism, and threats against Israel, Iran now poses the greatest strategic challenge to the United States in the region in a generation. Now is the time to work with our friends and allies, and to pursue direct and aggressive diplomacy with the Iranian regime backed by tougher unilateral and multilateral sanctions. It's time to offer the Iranians a clear choice between increased costs for continuing their troubling behavior, and concrete incentives that would come if they change course. As these tests have reaffirmed, the threat from Iran's nuclear program is real and it is grave. As President, I will do everything in my power to eliminate that threat, and that must begin with direct, aggressive, and sustained diplomacy." The fact that he says diplomacy must happen in conjunction with the threats of military attack reflects, on the one hand, his wing of the ruling circles' perspective that diplomatic engagement provides more favorable grounds for carrying out military action, and on the other hand, it's window-dressing to fool people who reject outright the transparently bellicose stance of Bush and McCain et al. Are we going to be played for fools? Or are we going to act in the only fashion that promises the possibility to wresting a wholly different future out of this atrocious present? It is barbaric to countenance and collude in the daily torture and the daily commission of war crimes - and the soon-to-be military attack on Iran. This is the immorality, however, that Obama and the DNC want the American people to co-operate in as they promise us "change" and "hope" while they participate in the horrors of this government and this White House. They can claim that they don't have the votes to end the war, stop the ubiquitous spying and torture, but you don't need the votes. All you have to do is filibuster and/or use their leadership positions (which Pelosi and Reid have) to block a measure from even coming to the floor for a vote. They know this. You know this. Act on what you know. The whole world is watching.

While I agree with the

While I agree with the essence of this piece, I must disagree with the assertion that electing Obama is the only way for progressive reform to occur. While it is possible that Obama may enact progressive reforms, it is equally as likely that he won't (as demonstrated by his recent statements and votes). The only way for real change to occur is for one of the main parties to collapse, making way for a real 3rd-party alternative to emerge that would be able to make truly progressive reforms. With the economy/housing market/war/debt/etc. currently plaguing the US, there will be little room for Obama to make real reforms. Our best bet for future reform would be to have a McCain presidency, in which he will surely drown in the previously mentioned hardships from which there is no short-term (ie 4 year) escape. McCain's presidency could most certainly be the final Republican presidency for the next 30 years, and may be the final nail in the Republican party's coffin; effectively making room for a new party that would really be willing/able to change things. The truth is both the Democratic and Republican party suffer from the same disease which makes them in essence the same party--they're infected by corporate interests. These powerful influences only allow a modicum of difference between the parties (usually on relatively minor issues) and therefore both parties are relatively the same party and are unable to truly reform the system. Without a viable 3rd party in the race, there will never be any real reform within the government.

Wow, Norman, that's the most

Wow, Norman, that's the most helpful advice I've heard in a long time. "Eliminate disillusionment by dispensing with illusions." Those are wise words.. We should never put all our hopes in any leader. We shouldn't be praying for a white knight (or knight of any color) to ride in and save us from ourselves. It's our job as citizens to get involved, to speak out, to organize and advocate, and, yes, to constantly pressure our leaders, no matter who they are, to do the right thing.. We need to do the heavy lifting ourselves and hope we can find leaders who will do their job in helping to move the country forward. We have to acknowledge that any president of the United States is by definition a leader of all the people. It's a different and unique role, and as disappointed as we progressives feel about not having someone who exactly mirrors and expresses all our positions, we should support the person with the best hope of creating a climate where our work can have an impact. Let's keep doing our job on the ground, building a mass movement for peace and justice that will result in decent health care, housing, education and jobs for all. And hope our leaders will follow.

it begins to look as if we

it begins to look as if we face another election where the best we can do is the lesser of two evils. some countries, like some people, don't learn a whole lot from experience. but as norman solomon says, the world is extremely fragile, we simply don't have time for illusion. over the past 40 years or so, this country has been soaked to death in a bath of reactivity. fear is certainly a major promoter of it. but it may have reached its apotheisis in bush. hard to look at his face, knowing as we surely must, that it's our own face we see as well. the only antidote to the disease of reactivity, narcissism, call it what you will, is reflection. Giving ourselves that one moment of grace that may yet save the world.

Thank you Norman Solomon.

Thank you Norman Solomon. Your article states clearly what is present and what is missing, and has been from the beginning, in the DNC's presumptive presidential candidate. You, and certainly not the DNC or Obama's campaign strategists, spelled out the reason for party unity, i.e. "insufficiency does not negate the necessity." As a Texas State Delegate for Clinton, I'm still waiting to see/hear the DNC and the TDP provide a unity strategy beyond reprimands and insults thrown at the 18 million Clinton supporters. The DNC's leadership, as well as the Speaker of the House and Majority Whip, need training in leadership, which, in times like these, require moving beyond compromise, conciliation and charming smiles. As one of the 18 million voters, and possilbly within that crucial 20%, Ineed to see the DNC and the Democratic Congress provide leadership that returns a Free America and protects Americans' Civil Liberties. Until then, America will continue to fall deeper into the abyss designed by the Bush/Cheney regime. I am thankful for the 28 brave, courageous Senators who voted "NAY" on FISA yesterday. What price life without Liberty?

Thu, 07/10/2008 - 18:24 β€”

Thu, 07/10/2008 - 18:24 β€” Adam Selene (not verified) wrote "If all that is good about Obama is a "projection" upon him by the progressives and McCain is more of the same horror, then it is time to follow in the footsteps of our founders and tear this nation apart with revolution and rebuild it again with the values of freedom, civil rights, equal protection, free speech, and justice unhindered by the corporate powers that have worked to gut the constitution." Revolution is clearly the best, if not the only option. Could it be done relatively peacefully? Would the U.S. military step in? How would it play out? Absent a revolution, though, who would be better for our country, McCain (i.e., four more years of Bush, minimum) or Obama? At least we have a shot at something decent with Obama. Right now, the unknown is better than what we have. Jon

I agree with everyone

I agree with everyone commenting here. There is no reason to support Obama. He won't help the progressive movement any more than Bush or Clinton did. If you want a president connected to the progressive movement, vote Nader or McKinney. End of story.

Is Hilliary still viable?

Is Hilliary still viable? Very disappointed is his lack and loss of gravitas on the stump. He looks like he is having too good of a time on his all states tour. He looks like a man who thinks he's got it in the bag. What happened, center or no center? Lenore R.

This article veers from

This article veers from rightly calling for greater scrutiny of Obama to threatening voters with the possibility that he will lose. Scaring us about McCain is a shameful way to promote a candidate. Basically, it is tantamount to blackmail - possibly extortion: Put up with Obama, or else! It was clear from the start that Obama profitted from the wishful thinking of the public. It was all about image, and just as superficial. With few exceptions, the "progressives" ignored the year-long media blackout of John Edwards. In a blatant case of reverse racism/sexism, few noticed or cared that Edwards offered far and away the best platform, with practicable and principled solutions to the main problems facing the country (starting with lobbying). And he stuck to it throughout. Indulging in a false debate on race and gender, few noticed that the platforms of Obama and Clinton were virtually interchangeable, with the exception of health insurance, where Obama always fell behind. And a few others. Those who did notice the difference had to live with the knowledge that when the others finally caught up, it would be too late. And so it happens - just as those who knew it was wrong to invade Iraq, with or without the lies, had to wait years for the rest of the country to catch up. And now what? We must not allow ourselves to be threatened into voting for a slick candidate who has no intention of changing the status quo of the power structure, helping the poor, reversing the loss of civil rights, let alone punishing those responsible for years of atrocities abroad and at home. People must vote their conscience, not their fears. There are other candidates to choose. If McCain wins this election, the Democratic party's many failures will be the cause. Again. Sure, it'll be bad. But maybe it's the only way for the rest of the country - the ones who were so slow to catch on - to finally wake up. And then start working - on rebuilding the nation from scratch.

Had I wanted to hold my nose

Had I wanted to hold my nose and vote for "anyone but an R," I would have supported Hillary. She's FAR better able to dissemble, shift, contort herself into a political chameleon than is the bland, almost-preacher of political platitudes into which the senator seems to have morphed. But I guess I'm trapped; I certainly don't want four more years of neocon thuggery running my country. And I sure hope these "new voters" don't get disillusioned, because they've got all the attention spans of second graders at a philatelist convention, and the good Senator is going to need all the help he can get.

I think we need to be just a

I think we need to be just a little patient. Obama is more progressive than any candidate we Democrats have fielded since George McGovern, who scared folks so badly he went nowhere. Obama has a great chance to get elected. I believe he will, and that he will make a HUGE difference for the better in our national politics. At a time when the advantages we've enjoyed since WW II are finally coming to an end, and with the realization that we must reconcile ourselves to no longer being destined to remain 'king of the hill", we need progressive leadership to soften the consequences of these changes for those least able to bear them.

I might be the only person

I might be the only person on the planet saying so, but I'm happy to see that Obama is a practical man. He needs to go after the votes of white evangelical Christians, and he is hardly in a position, as a candidate, to punch media and telecommunications giants in the nose. Patience, people! What did you want? Nader?

In light of Senator Obama's

In light of Senator Obama's wrong-headed FISA "compromise" vote, I am donating money that would have gone to his campaign to the ACLU instead. They are planning to sue the government on the grounds that this bill is unconstitutional. Message sent!

I hope Obama realizes that

I hope Obama realizes that Americans are becoming increasingly frustrated with the government, and that the only reason there isn't mass civil disobedience in the streets is that many people have faith in him and faith that the system can still be made to work through the ballot box. If Obama wins and offers no real change, the majority of America will likely loose faith in the American political system altogether. I hope he realizes that many people see him as the last chance for restoring a somewhat Constitutionally bound government, and that if he can't achieve that, many Americans will view the government as irredeemably unconstitutional and a tyranny.

Obama says I wasn't

Obama says I wasn't listening, "this whole notion that I am shifting to the center" and tells me that "the people who say this apparently haven't been listening to me." I was. I listened a lot. I didn't hear "reconsider Iraq, telecom immunity and maybe on public funding." Is it really "a consequence of projecting their political outlooks onto the candidate in the first place." Hardly. I think we can and should get the hell out of Iraq ASAP. I don't believe in private or public, and especially not corporate, immunity from the law. I'm for public funding. Obama is simply not for these things. I thought he was. "The best way to avoid becoming disillusioned is to not have illusions in the first place." Norman Soloman's pervasive condescension aside, I didn't have an "illusion" about those issues. I believed, based on what the man SAID, that we were on the same page. My mistake if I missed the small print. I get it now Obama, I can't trust you. No worries. I've had a lifetime of credit cards, cell companies and hi-speed bandwidth creeps with contracts. I can deal. I can hope for better. Kevin

projection is exactly right,

projection is exactly right, and some of my most intelligent friends and relatives (not kids) were among those involved in projecting. I was for Edwards until he withdrew, then for Hillary until she withdrew, and now I'll be voting for Obama, but I'm not sure why.

Plutocracy allows the

Plutocracy allows the choices only of candidates who promote and intensify the status quo, the deepening abyss between rich and poor. Already existing weapons of the next world war depopulate without destroying capital, machinery and palaces. We cannot have billions of impoverished people competing with the rich for life's necessities, including uncrowded space. Topping world population at around half a billion seems about right.

Audacity of Hope. That is

Audacity of Hope. That is the catch phrase it is no illusion. It is a lie if OBAMA capitulates and goes centrist. NO ONE I know of with this "audacity" hopes for flushing the 4th amendment like he just has. His whole campaign slogan then is a lie and that is what we listened to so vis a vis Obama is a deceitful liar. Pick a better catch phrase if you can't live up to it, like "I GO BIG BLUE". You are driving people away right now, and they are not going to be very happy with you IF you are elected, a point I recently thought was a lock.

If Obama continues to move

If Obama continues to move rightward to fill the vacuum left by McCain's move to his far right base, by the time of convention Obama will be running as a Goldberg Conservatives and the Republicans will win even if McCain loses. If, as Obama claims, I mistakenly perceived him to be a liberal, then it seems I don't have a dog in this fight. I can accept the theory of progress through political incrementalism, but not when the increments are backwards. I never again will vote for a Republican, but it does not necessarily follow that the Democratic Party candidate will be any better.

The OLiar campaign created a

The OLiar campaign created a 'people who would vote against McCain no matter what' category and put them the 'no priority' basket. It is courting the conservative left & middle JUST LIKE the Clintonism triangulation stragety ('be more or as much right wing as the right wing') proscribes. It expects we'll forgive and forget in November. And, so what if McCain wins? Would one expect the Democratically controlled congress to behave like Democrats.. NO, because 'we'll win the next one, wink-wink nudge-nudge'. It's got to stop. 'Profiles In Courage'? Yea, right.

Patience, Patience,

Patience, Patience, Patience!!!!! Barack needs to be President first to be able to CHANGE anything. Along the way there is a need for compromise. He has to do what it takes to get into the White House. JUST TRUST HIM! Thanks Ben! BARACK IS THE LAST CHANCE WE HAVE! The military mind is a very dangerous state of mind. The military mind is trained to never admit mistakes nor to ever admit defeat. This is an integral part of military education. John McCain is the poster child of this military education. He never knew anything else. McCain would still fight the Vietnam war because for him there was treason committed by pulling out. For the military mind collateral damage or human live does not matter as long as there is the illusion of victory. Buckminster Fuller once said that humans need to commit mistakes to grow on them. Humans always commit mistakes that's what makes us human but the important part is to recognize mistakes and to admit them. Only then we are able to change course we can learn and grow. John McCain's military mind is unable to admit mistakes that's why he has been for the surge and bomb, bomb, bomb Iran. This simple fact has gone totally unnoticed and unreported. A military mindset is very dangerous for human evolution because it can not admit defeat and therefore is unable to learn and grow. McCain is very dangerous for American an human progress and this needs to be much more focused on! The choice in November will be between a military mind and an open mind. Only an open mind can propel HUMANITY!

Does it HAVE to be a choice

Does it HAVE to be a choice between Cain and Obama? Can't Bush enact a signing statement repealing term limits and stay on? 4 more years!

In elections, yet again,

In elections, yet again, the situation means that I will be voting AGAINST a candidate rather than truly for one: against McCain and for the Supreme Court...I hope.

At the start of the

At the start of the primaries, Obama lay hidden in the undifferentiated middle of the pack with Clinton, Dodd, etc so far as I was concerned. As my favorites more or less gracefully bowed out due to lack of money and/or machines, Obama came to seem the least of the evils. Billary's sleaze and triangulation, despite her rather better if still grossly inadequate health care plan, made Obama somewhat lesser of an evil. Since there was little policy space between them, I clung to the thin reed that Obama seemed, well, a more decent, honest person. His speech on race, maybe the best account since Dr King met his maker, actually sparked some muted enthusiasm, enough to consider sending him some of my retirement check. I like many others had been bothered by the proportion of rhetoric, good tho it was, to substance in his campaign. Then he became the "presumptive" nominee, and some flesh started appearing on those rhetorical bones. Damned if it wasn't the same old corporatist "middle"ground (middle right in most other rich countries) putrefying flesh from AIPAC to gun control to the death penalty to Iraq to Iran to NAFTA/"free trade" to the proverbial straw, FISA. So what to do now? Revolution, though perhaps the best solution, just don't seem in the cards since too many people are still living within the illusion of the American dream. If Cheney bombs Iran and gas goes to $10, that could change right quickly though. Solomon chastens us to grow up, stop dreaming, and do anything, including swallowing our own vomit, to keep Bush III, er, McCain, out of the oval office. Maybe he's right; one more Scalia-Alioto-Roberts-Thomas in the Supremes, and we'll be goose stepping to the ADM-Microsoft-Boeing-Carlyle-Blackwater theme song to get our individual medical insurance policies and a minimum wage above Mexico's. On the other hand, the disaster of Bush in another costume might just spark some revolutionary fervor. So, after my flirtation with the half-black man who counts as black in America, I'm seriously considering that black woman. If I vote for her and McCain wins, I will not have elected him, despite the predicable vituperation of the talking if empty heads of the so-called Democratic party. He will have be elected by the rich, the wannabe rich, the corporate clones, the gun worshippers, the abortion and birth control deniers, the xenophobes, the homophobes, the racists, the neo-cons, the neo-imperialists, and so on, in a word, the usual suspects. Oh, yeah, there's one more suspect: Obama. He's so busy trying to become triangulating centrist Hillary without the bra and white skin because he thinks we progressives, leftists, whatever, have nowhere else to go. (A nice irony that the first "black" presidential candidate takes the left vote for granted, just as white Dem politicians have taken the black vote for granted for lo these many years.) I for one do have some place else to go, so he has my vote to lose. "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss...Won't be fooled again."

Progressive, liberal,

Progressive, liberal, leftwing etc. vs conservative, rightwing is a false dichotomy perpetuated by everyone fool enough to fall for it. A further false concept which flows from it is that of the "centre", or the "middle of the road". The real dichotomy is honourable vs dishonourable, just vs unjust, true vs false, right vs wrong, democratic vs undemocratic, lawful vs unlawful. Any compromise within any of these pairs by definition defaults to the second of the two. For example any compromise between honourable and dishonourable has to be dishonourable. These are the basic yardsticks against which to evaluate election candidates. In the dishonourable stakes, one can consider the deliberate murder of 52000 civilians plus countless brave men fighting against foreign intrusion into their country. I refer to the three-year "operation rolling thunder" during which McCain and many other criminals were shot down and taken prisoner. They weren't pursuing a just cause, they were continuing the French then Jap then French invasion of a country which was not engaged in aggression. What kind of person could describe such a creature as a "war hero" - someone who used bombs and mines and napalm and phosphorus to murder their betters by the thousand? Every time McCain is described as a war hero one can feel nothing but contempt for whoever describes him thus. This means Barack Obama, for starters. The US has engineered its own downward slide in the world’s respect, and Americans need to dispense with navel-gazing, consider the wide world outside their borders, and heed the plea of Robbie Burns: "Oh for the gift that God would give us to see ourselves as others see us".

Barak Obama is a politician.

Barak Obama is a politician. Politicians ride the center for their survival. A few actually have strong focused principles such as Edwards, Kucinich or Paul but such people do not make their way into the White House. Senator Clinton, (not Hillary, not Mrs Clinton) was very clear and explicit about her political goals. If we look at Senator Clinton's voting record in the Senate we see a kind of coherent pattern. When we look at Senator Obama's he maintained an elusive or vague position in his senatorial voting habits. Had Democrats looked at his senatorial record they would not be disillusioned now and perhaps they would not have fallen in love with Barak Obama the orator and his team of speech writers It is important to understand that the future of a country does not rest with the vote of its citizens. President Nocolas Sarkozy of France, an admirer the US conservative policies, received funding from US conservatives. and European and other international conservatives. Sarkozy is busily dismantling many of the progressive policies it took the social democrats decades to set in place, so that soon France will resemble the conservative chaos citizens live with in the US. This wave of conservatism led by corporate interests is entrenched in world politics and Barak Obama, even if he were actually progressive, cannot move forward without entertaining and appeasing questionable bed fellows. There was only one Ghandi in this world, One Martin Luther KIng,Barak Obama is not of this stature but he is a charismatic pretender to the throne. We have no other choice but hope if he is elected that he being very intelligent will surround himself with an insightful and capable team. This is what we must also remember , it is not a single person, the President, who dictates policies. It is an entire team that is playing. the English have the ematurigty to understand this. and this is reflected in their election. Still there exists the conservative illuminati and it may be impossible to loosen their hold except superficially.

thoroughly enjoy reading all

thoroughly enjoy reading all of your insightful and well articulated comments ...... bless those who are 'beginning to see the light', at long last! notice? .... even the impromptu (?) family appearance on the Access Hollywood T.V. Show .. exposing the 7 and 10 year old 'props' caused a flip-flop. with McCain ,,,,,,, NO SURPRISES!

Missed a big one Norm.

Missed a big one Norm. Obama promised he would veto any legislation with telecom immunity. That's not a projection, buddy, that was a bald face lie. So, let's recap. To whit, you say, "I know my candidate is a liar, doesn't respect the rule of law, and freely violates the constitution - but he will be the channel for progressive reforms!". Who's projecting now?

I wish this were a laughing

I wish this were a laughing matter, because I would be laughing now at the head in the clouds, pie in the sky progressives who were so taken in by Obama's wonderful speechifying. I have been following his career for a while. I read his books long ago. He is, first and foremost, a politician and a very ambitious one, as is his wife. They will do "anything" to win, just as most successful politicians will. (And no, I don't mean steal, murder, etc., but I do mean use tactics that most of us would consider unfair even if they are legal.) When Edwards dropped out, I went with Hillary. I think Obama is a closet centrist with conservative leanings, and I think that Hillary is a closet progressive with some centrist leanings. She has been religious all her life, but I don't think you'd ever see her trying to cross over the church/state boundary as Obama plans. Anyway, as a non-believer who was a believer and faithful church-goer all through childhood and early adulthood, I can understand someone like Hillary who has always been a believer, but I can't understand an intelligent and educated adult who was brought up in an agnostic/atheist household becoming such a devout "born again Christian." It is either suspect, because it's part of the political ambition, or it's like deciding to believe in fairies or ghosts after the age of 30! So -- I digressed there. But Obama is right. The people who had such a belief in the idealist picture they painted of him were not listening, and had not really done any research into his background. Hillary is actually a much more authentic progressive person, and moreover, she understands the nuts and bolts of government much better, in my opinion. We have a lot of broke things that need fixing. That's how change will really come, and I think she was prepared to do it. And by the way, how many people have noticed her FISA vote? Anyone disappointed? Now that Hillary is freed from the campaign, you may see the "real Hillary." Now that Barack Obama is freed from having to win the nomination, you begin to see the "real Obama." Sharon Toji

We know that the election

We know that the election usually depends on the approximately 20% of the people in the middle. I have to keep reminding myself that if my candidate and I agree on 100% of the issues, my candidate looses. Therefore, if we agree on 85% of the issues that is pretty good. We know that the only thing McCain has going for him is national security being framed to scare the people, especially those in the middle and those on the right. We also know that McCain's policies would misdirect and waste our human and financial resources and help Osama Ben Laden recruit members into Al Qaeda. Therefore, Barack Obama must be perceived as strong on national security, and especially if Osama Ben Laden launches an Oct surprise to help get McCain elected. I believe Obama was correct in voting for FISA after trying with others to amend it to exclude immunity from civil law suits. Hillary voted against the final FISA bill, but this is OK because she is not running for President anymore, and the moralistic Democratic position (progressive) should be to preserve our civil liberties. When Obama is President, he can have his Attorney General investigate the illegal criminal activites of the bush administration and then prosecute those involved.

I sent a letter to Obama

I sent a letter to Obama America, protesting the senator's FISA vote. I received a response that was very well reasoned and logical. But I still don't buy it. Even though I want to. The FISA bill was destined to pass, but a no vote would have said what I needed to hear from a man who asks us to believe β€” and who has promised us so much.

As a contributor to the

As a contributor to the Obama campaign, I'm disappointed with Obama's vote for retroactive telecom immunity. I guess I'll be voting for Ron Paul, and writing him in if necessary. He's the only candidate left who values my freedom over his power. Obama has now revealed himself as valuing his power over my freedom. A revolting development, but not completely unexpected. Obama was always a long shot.

Obama is reported to be

Obama is reported to be having a fall-off in contributions lately. Seems to me that he has brought it on himself by voting for FISA. Other than that I haven't seen that he has moved to the center to placate the rightwingers. It is amusing that now all the neocons are going to try to say that because of this problem, Obama is the same as McCain. The difference between them is still so great that it is one of qualitative difference, not quantitative. So no, Obama is still a much better candidate for president than anyone else. What I hope people will learn from this episode is that there are NO white knights in shining armor that are going to save us from ourselves. We need to pick the best of what we have and then go to work ourselves to do what needs to be done. We can't expect our elected officials (EO) to get us out of Iraq and Iran. We need to do the work ourselves. We can't expect EO to get the economic situation straightened out. We need to do it ourselves. We can't expect our EO to put the heat on Big Pharm, Big Oil, Big..., Halliburton, and all the rest of them. We need to do it ourselves. We can't expect the MSM to act responsibly. We need to force them to ourselves. I believe it was Mark Twain who said that we need to support our country always, and our government when it deserved it.

Many of us are not

Many of us are not disillusioned because we never bought into this fraud. To me what is more important than keeping McCain out of the White House is getting rid of the jerks we have running the Democratic Party. With Pelosi, Reid, and Dean I'm holding my nose everyday as they sell our party out. As for the ridiculous meme that the country will be lost if Obama isn't elected, get over yourself! Four years of McCain will set the Republicans back a decade. Four years of Obama will destroy the Democratic Party.

I can't believe the Obozo

I can't believe the Obozo apologists on this board. This isn't about bogus healthcare, crappy energy plans, dodging the campaign finance rules, or assuring the Canadians that everything will be business as usual after the elections. THIS IS ABOUT GUTTING THE 4TH AMENDMENT & you bozos are ok with that!????!? This creep doesn't deserve to be Prez. He will never be my President. Honestly McCain is looking more & more tolerable every day. At least he didn't vote for this abominable bill.

I agree that we need to get rid of the jerks in the Democratic Party (Obozo included) but has anybody considered getting a new party altogether? If Cynthia McKinney gets just 5% of the vote this fall, the Greens will be upgraded to Major Party Status with all the trappings that entails. We can have our own progressive party that will run true progressives for office, & just maybe we can get our country back. Vote Cynthia! www.runcynthiarun.org

ps, can Hillary still get her delegates back? It's gonna be a long hot summer & I'm just betting Obozo has some more nasty tricks up his sleeve. Come convention time the Dems might want to run somebody else....

Re: "I can't believe the

Re: "I can't believe the Obozo:" Perhaps you have forgotten that McCain, in not voting for this bill, also had neither the integrity or care for our rights to vote nay. He perhaps disagreed with the bill (or perhaps thought his vote was not needed, and thus decided to avoid controversy), but he is more worried about something that our rights--McCain abstained. That thing he is worried about is probably getting elected by his strong supporters from the Republican right, many of whom seem to like this bill, or voted for people who like it. I am disgusted with Obama as well, however0, but even more so with McCain. McCain is too closely aligned with our current president politically, and too closely surrounded by the same sorts of political advisers ... I want someone who will reverse the mess Bush has made of our constitution and global face; the most I predict from McCain is a standstill. From the beginning of this election, I was skeptical of Obama's supreme and sensational rhetoric that felt all too familiar in this age of incessant brainwash broadcasting from our television sets and far too many other places. Obama spoke well, but his words were empty, especially when compared to his history as a Senator. Senator Clinton, for example, was not as "progressive" and had a less inspiring rhetoric, but her politics were at least more transparently crooked. Crookedness is unavoidable in the general election, as long as we vote for crooked politicians over and over again. They are products of our own twisted desires and our own inability to cooperate without this complicated and twisted interface between us. Until we progress beyond this interface, we cannot expect politicians to be saints. We can, however, choose the crooked man or woman who best represents us, and who is crooked in the way least destructive to our aims. Between McCain and Obama, I will take Obama's brand of corruption. For now. I suppose we will see what happens next.

Did anybody read the FISA

Did anybody read the FISA bill and what it actually does? Check out the Barbara Lee interview and Keth Olbermann's comment. The FISA bill does only grant immunity from civil law suites. Nothing else! It is very important to understand that Obama's and the Democratic lead are very small right now. If the Republicans were to initiate a fake terror attack or other scare tactic before November then the Democrats would be blamed of being weak on national security. A major argument would be the hold up of FISA and lack of surveillance. Americans have fallen for less stupid arguments, the Democrats can just not take the risk. Whoever thinks of not supporting Barack deserves 4 years of McCain, more war, higher oil prices, a weaker economy and higher unemployment, more atomic power plants, more global warming, and above all a conservative shift on the Supreme Court. This shift would last for a long time. Barack is the last chance for at least trying to turn the country around. If you want to take these risks then vote for somebody else then Obama. THEN YOU WILL DESERVE WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO GET!

Abandoning your base has

Abandoning your base has it's costs. There's talk and there's action. Obama's erosion of support is a clear message to his campaign that he must be the force for change that he has presented himself as. Pandering to the imaginary middle-right gains nothing but an image of weakness and a loss of support among the large base of Americans who crave the change that he has been speaking so eloquently of since day one. I consider myself a left-leaning, fiscally conservative, small government moderate. I realize that no one can please 300 million (or 151 million) people on every issue. We have to pick our shots and be willing to compromise. There are, however, times when a line must be drawn. Weakening the constitution is where I draw the line. As a constitutional scholar, Obama knew perfectly well that FISA did more than grant retroactive immunity. It also provides immunity to telcoms, ISPs, and 'others' who violate our rights in the future while providing insufficient oversight. This election is Obama's to lose, and the outcome depends on whether he makes good on his promises. Nothing more and nothing less.

Much like military types who

Much like military types who seem to spin out scenarios for the future without consideration of the financial and environmental significance of their musings, political types seem to spin out scenarios for the present and future without consideration of the financial and environmental significance of their plottings. It seems the current financial and environmental states of the US at least, and world at most, is of such gravity it marks a historic turning point. If not upon us, peak oil is nearing, bringing into collapse the industrial age which has defined the world for the last 300 years. So too are the incalculable effects on life of the environmental changes wrought by industrialization. Absurd attempts by Beijing to clean up a hopelessly polluted environment prior to the Olympics is illustrative. Frighteningly, no alternative is in the offing. Obsession, even by environmentalists, is with discovering some technological fix allowing our way of life to proceed in a largely unaltered manner. Intellectually, humanity is sterile. Curmudgeonly critics of especially the late Nineteenth and early Twentieth centuries have been dismissed as "mistaken" by a humanity eagerly embracing an industrial will-o-the-wisp. Followers and not leaders--remembering Bismarck's depiction of politics--Obama and the rest of the political class cling to a dying past. Unimaginative as is their trade, they know not what else to do. Thus we have the call for the "practical" by some preceding commentators. Practicality in the flickering twilight of a dying age merely increases the suffering of not only humans, but of the polar bear.

I remember saying,upon

I remember saying,upon watching the "Yes We Can" video, "Obama darn better deliver, or there will be an incredible public backlash." Once you give meat to a tiger, you can't easily take it back.

More garbage from Solomon

More garbage from Solomon and others who place loyalty to party above loyalty to principle. (That is the very thing that, as Eugene McCarthy pointed out so long ago, allows war to go on. Congrats Norm. Except for a three paragraph half-hearted and deceptive speech opposing the Iraq war (not because it is a war of aggression as Nader puts it but because it is "stupid"), Obama is a very conservative politician. He wants to increase the number of men and women under arms, step up the war in Afghanistan and is very belligerent to Iran and Sudan. If anyone wants to "buck him up," as Solomon puts it, it had better be before the election. And the one vehicle to do this and maybe build a new political movement is to work for Nader/Gonzalez who hold our positions. Obama is another imperial politician and a very dangerous one at that. john walsh

More has to be done to roll

More has to be done to roll back the Warfare State McCain represents and which Obama cannot openly denounce during a campaign. No candidate who still expects to be allowed airtime by the warfare-controlled media can tell a whole range of dangerous truths without being neutralized as many candidates have been. .... Two things are required to "end the mindset that got us into war"-- 1)...Spread the word that the CIA has had a large hand in so-called mainstream corporate media since WWII turning it into a massive propaganda machine. This was revealed to a Senate committee investigating the CIA in 1976, suppressed from the committee final report by new CIA director, George H.W. Bush, but then leaked to Carl Bernstein who wrote his 1977 article called 'The CIA and the Media.' **** 2)...Spread the word that the laws of physics apply to 9/11 and clearly prove someone blew up three World Trade Center buildings to create the new "Pearl Harbor" which the Project for a New American Century thinktank had declared was needed to propel the US military closer to the oil and gas prize in the Caspian Sea region. The obvious and shameless cover-up of this crime also proves how controlled the mainstream press really is. ***** If either of these two things is not exposed, we can expect very little change for a long time.

OBAMA IS YOUR LAST CHANCE to

OBAMA IS YOUR LAST CHANCE to get it right and get this country moving in the right direction. Youse Obozo's should go back to listening to Rush Stinky Limburger. Of course Obama has to present his best center to win the election. If we do not get a democratic president, the doomsday clock speeds up. If you think things are bad now, just wait. Our country will not survive four more years of McSame. (But American voters are so smart)NOT

Democrats = Republicans, at

Democrats = Republicans, at least so far since we gave the Dems the maority. The Democrats excel at handing out money to the middle class and the Repugnants give it to the rich, but when if comes to ensuring the rule of law, prividing retroactive immunity, holding powerful people accountable, stopping the war in Iraq, stopping torture, using Israel as an attack dog in the middle east, restoring fiscal discipline and stopping the endless free-fall of the dollar - they vote just like Republicans. Obama's vote on FISA, his backout of campaing financing, his reversal on abortion rights, his scary promise to give all of Jerusalem to the Israelis, his stance on Iran, have convinced me that it's time for a real third party to challenge the established politicians. You will never change the direction this country is going in as long as there is no perceivable difference between Republicans and Democrats once they are in power.

Mr. Solomon, Sorry but I'm

Mr. Solomon, Sorry but I'm not buying the notion that we progressives are operating under illusions about Obama or that we have to vote for him or face the disaster of a McCain presidency. You're absolutely right about one thing: Obama made a huge mistake reversing his prior commitment to oppose the FISA compromise and filibuster any bill containing retroactive immunity for the telecoms. The Obama campaign stated that commitment numerous times over several months, beginning I believe in October 2007. His vote last week in favor of the FISA bill, and his vote for cloture (opposing the Feingold/Dodd filibuster) was a 180-degree reversal on a fundamental, Constitutional protection that Americans enjoy under the Fourth Amendment; and it was a repudiation of the notion that we are a "Nation of Laws." I wasn't operating under any illusions about Obama on this point, other than the illusion that he would be true to his word. So the idea that we progressives have misled ourselves about Obama is bunk. Likewise, I reject any attempt to bludgeon me into voting for Obama by citing the disastrous (conceded) consequences of a McCain presidency. Frankly, the idea that we can "buck up Obama when we disagree" but must nonetheless support him versus McCain is oxymoronic. If we feel we have to vote for Obama no matter what, how can we possibly "buck him up"? I don't relish the idea of a McCain presidency but ultimately that's Obama's problem -- not mine. It's not my job to save Obama from himself. More importantly, your article assumes that a Democratic Congress can (or will) do nothing to put the brakes on a McCain administration's policies or judicial appointees. That may be true but it's an even more telling indictment of the state of our country's government. Democrats in Congress are responsible for "bucking up" the President and have more ability to do so than any ordinary citizen. Obama had just that opportunity last week and he blew it.

Mr. Solomon - You are right,

Mr. Solomon - You are right, "The best way to avoid becoming disillusioned is to not have illusions in the first place." If Obama doesn't support the Constitution but I continue to support Obama, then I'm helping to wreck the Constitution. I was under the "illusion" that the Constitution matters. Which illusions would you prefer that I abandon?

Stefan Albrecht, 7/12, 9:29

Stefan Albrecht, 7/12, 9:29 has it right except that those of us who do have the sense to know that one must get elected first before one can effectively work on changing the system do not deserve what we will be getting if fellow progressives don't show the good sense to "work like hell" to get Obama elected regardless of their sense of DIS-illusionment over having their illusions punctured. Lindon Johnson had it right: politics is the art of the possible and involves sometimes casting votes that appear to contradict principle. The point is that such things can often be rectified later after the greater goal has been achieved.

If I could speak directly to

If I could speak directly to the candidates I would argue that the nation will change for the better when there is a commitment to engage the ethics of the people through partnering with them. As opposed to simply being distracted by politicians and corporations. But of course...that's an unpopular opinion.... as its much easier to fool ones self into thinking that the majority of the people are too stupid for basic civic participation. Its much scarier to think that the people know full well what going on and don't care because they are so busy chasing the next purchase.

I can't help but wonder if

I can't help but wonder if the Democrats caved on the FISA bill thinking this would help them in the November elections. The Republicans and their followers have been slipping into a kind of creeping fascism since 9/11. The Democrats, in a very cynical move, may have caved thinking that a promise to fix this offensive bill AFTER the election IF they get enough of our votes would help motivate people to get to the polls. The Democrats generally appear to be the lesser of two evils, but when they pull a stunt like this the difference between the to major parties seems microscopically thin. it is quite infuriating.

I don't vote for

I don't vote for conservatives. I don't mean I don't vote for the more conservative - I don't vote for conservaties, period. That group includes Bill Clinton, Al Gore (yes, check his record before he lost), John Kerry and, now, Barack Obama. Once again I'll be voting for Ralph Nader, a person who has always fought for what's best for people of the world. And if this means another moron will occupy the White House, well, as Lenin said: "Things have to get worse before they get better." With the Democratic Party continually nominating these right-wing buffoons, things obviously aren't bad enough.

I am not surprised about

I am not surprised about anything, just sitting back and watching Americans screw up everything again by picking 'the most likable' as if this were a popularity contest (and HC was just not cool enough for rich liberal urban dudes and dudettes - qualifications? why examine those?). So we have no recourse left - thanks a lot AofHope people - now get out there and fix this mess you created by not understanding policy while shooting off your mouths for oblique change. So figure out the details of what that looks like - and take charge. No politician will do this - it HAS TO COME FROM THE PEOPLE. Politicians, by definition, by pursuit of what they pursue, are an egotistical, power hungry bunch. At least next time I hope the populace might look at qualifications over cool snippets of speech that sound great in theory only.

Baloney: "... historic

Baloney: "... historic imperative of keeping McCain out of the White House...." The historic imperative would be to bust up any cabal (eg., Obama, Pelosi, Reid), to protect, defend, and restore The Constitution. The expected solid Democratic majorities should be able to achieve similar legislative results and override vetoes with or without Pelosi's and Reid's sock puppet. Obama, Pelosi, Reid, ... are far more dangerous than McCain, Pelosi, Reid, ....

I wouldn't be so hasty to

I wouldn't be so hasty to lump Reid in with the likes of Pelosi & Obozo. He did vote to uphold the 4h Amendment after all. The only reason he's Majority Leader is becuz that turncoat Leiberman is propping him up. If the Dems can gain seats in the Senate this fall & put Leiberman on the curb where he belongs, Harry may then run the Senate quite a bit differently from what he's been doing so far. We'll have to see.

Why did Obama vote against

Why did Obama vote against FISA? Why? The mainstream media isn't saying-- has Obama said? Does anybody believe him? I call for some (ahem!) journalist to find the answer to this question, and for the rest of the faithful to hold his feet to the fire.

any chance we can draft

any chance we can draft Dennis?

Poor, Pathetic

Poor, Pathetic "Progressives" who think Obama is da Pope. Don't you GET IT!!!! The FISA bill is one thing, but here is something else just coming out. Earlier this month Obama gave speeches in Chicago and Colorado Springs in which he called for the establishment of a "civilian national security force". This FORCE would be even larger than the U.S. military, "as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded". What the Hell!! We already know that former KGB head Primakov and former East German Staasi Head Marcus Wolfe were brought in as consultants to Chertoff and Homeland Security. There have been at least hundreds of police, firefighters, utility workers, paramedics, etc. who have been trained as "Terrorism Liason Officers". They are to spy and submit information for "secret government databases". Universities and colleges have already turned over large segments of their curriculae to Homeland Security. Go to INFOWARS.COM for access to a couple of articles on Obama's latest brainstorm. It doesn't matter whether you vote for the belligerent buffoon or the sly, lying snake. Obama is indeed a "Manchurian Candidate". Both Obama and McCain are New World Order pied pipers leading us down the road of death and disaster. Looks like Obama might very well be put in charge of taking out Pakistan. This is all so insane, so in-your-face. McCain/Obama--either one the puppet who will usher in the next increment of globalist chaos and bestiality. The cards are totally stacked--if you must vote, vote third party. In the meantime, if possible, work on a plan of survival for yourselves and your families. Get out of the house, into the street, and talk to neighbors, friends and strangers.

Obama, the man with no

Obama, the man with no spine. Until this month, I didn't have anyone to vote for; for the two controlling parties are one in the same. "For a rose by any other name, would still be..." But, yes there is a ray of hope...and that hope is the Green Party candidate, Cynthia McKinny. She has a lot to say and she does not hold back. A true candidate for a real progressive "change" McKinny is. I hope anybody reading this at least takes the time to listen to this McKinny, and then weigh the presidential options. You will clearly see the difference between McKinny and Obama. Plain and simple, McKinny exposes the gutless, phoniness of Obama, and his "change." This is why the main stream media has marginalized McKinny because McKinney tells it like it is, has real answers and solutions to both domestic and international problems, and finally she exposes the truth about American politics- it's dirty and corruption has infected both parties. Obama received some television coverage on him being a black presidential candidate; Hilary because she was a women presidential candidate. Well, McKinney is a black women presidential candidate, and she doesn't squat. Ask yourself why is this so. Realize people that when you start arguing or taking sides based on your being on the "left" or "right", you are taking part in a "pissing contest into the wind." All while both sides are lying to you and emptying your pockets. Cynthia McKinny, for President! Vote Green Party!