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Obama Voters Protest His Switch on Telecom Immunity

by: James Risen  |  The New York Times

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Many of Senator Barack Obama's supporters are not happy with his recent vote on FISA.
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    Washington - Senator Barack Obama's decision to support legislation granting legal immunity to telecommunications companies that cooperated with the Bush administration's program of wiretapping without warrants has led to an intense backlash among some of his most ardent supporters.

    Thousands of them are now using the same grass-roots organizing tools previously mastered by the Obama campaign to organize a protest against his decision.

    In recent days, more than 7,000 Obama supporters have organized on a social networking site on Mr. Obama's own campaign Web site. They are calling on Mr. Obama to reverse his decision to endorse legislation supported by President Bush to expand the government's domestic spying powers while also providing legal protection to the telecommunication companies that worked with the National Security Agency's domestic wiretapping program after the Sept. 11 attacks.

    During the Democratic primary campaign, Mr. Obama vowed to fight such legislation to update the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or FISA. But he has switched positions, and now supports a compromise hammered out between the White House and the Democratic Congressional leadership. The bill is expected to come to a vote on the Senate floor next Tuesday. That decision, one of a number made by Mr. Obama in recent weeks intended to position him toward the political center as the general election campaign heats up, has brought him into serious conflict for the first time with liberal bloggers and commentators and his young supporters.

    Many of them have seen the issue of granting immunity to the telecommunications companies as a test of principle in their opposition to Mr. Bush's surveillance program.

    "I don't think there has been another instance where, in meaningful numbers, his supporters have opposed him like this," said Glenn Greenwald, a Salon.com writer who opposes Mr. Obama's new position. "For him to suddenly turn around and endorse this proposal is really a betrayal of what so many of his supporters believed he believed in."

    Jane Hamsher, a liberal blogger who also opposes immunity for the phone companies, said she had been flooded with messages from Obama supporters frustrated with his new stance.

    "The opposition to Obama's position among his supporters is very widespread," said Ms. Hamsher, founder of the Web site firedoglake.com. "His promise to filibuster earlier in the year, and the decision to switch on that is seen as a real character problem. I know people who are really very big Obama supporters are very disillusioned."

    One supporter, Robert Arellano, expressed his anger on the Obama site.

    "I have watched your campaign with genuine enthusiasm," Mr. Arellano wrote, "and I have given you money. For the first time in my life, I have sensed the presence of a presidential candidate who might actually bring some meaningful change to the corrupt cesspool of national politics. But your about-face on the FISA bill genuinely angers and alarms me."

    For now, the campaign is trying to put a positive spin on the new FISA fight among its supporters.

    "The fact that there is an open forum on BarackObama.com where supporters can say whether they agree or disagree speaks to a strength of our campaign," said Bill Burton, a campaign spokesman.

    Several activists and bloggers predicted that Mr. Obama's move toward the center on some issues could sharply reduce the intensity of support he has enjoyed from liberal activists. Such enthusiasm helped power his effort to secure the Democratic nomination, and it has been one of his campaign's most important tools for fund-raising and organizing around the country.

    Markos Moulitsas, a liberal blogger and founder of the Daily Kos Web site, said he had decided to cut back on the amount of money he would contribute to the Obama campaign because of the FISA reversal.

    "I will continue to support him," Mr. Moulitsas said in an interview. "But I was going to write him a check, and I decided I would rather put that money with Democrats who will uphold the Constitution."

    Greg Craig, a Washington lawyer who advises the Obama campaign, said Tuesday in an interview that Mr. Obama had decided to support the compromise FISA legislation only after concluding it was the best deal possible.

    "This was a deliberative process, and not something that was shooting from the hip," Mr. Craig said. "Obviously, there was an element of what's possible here. But he concluded that with FISA expiring, that it was better to get a compromise than letting the law expire."

  

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Perhaps things in DC have

Perhaps things in DC have been too bad for too long and I've become cynical, but I have been waiting for this. Senator Obama, while a very smart and saavy organizer and campaigner, is relatively new to Capitol Hill. It seems to me more of a party strategy move than a character issue. I'd bet Senator Obama wanted to vote against it, but party leadership wanted a "yes" vote. I know they like to shoot themselves in the foot every so often. Even though it's been reported that the bill as written (accidently?) does not explicitly grant telecoms immunity from criminal prosecution, Obama could have voted against it on principle, based on his previous statement. There's a big difference between compromising with and enabling an overreaching administration, as has been the case far too many times since Nov. of 2006. What's so wrong with a "no" vote if in voting "yes" you alienate your base? After all, Obama's base are Democrats, and the center these days has been pushed rightward. The Democrats seem too concerned about being viewed as soft on national security, and here we have another dividend on that investment. To Senator Obama: you may soon be the leader of your party, so go with your instincts, and be skeptical of party strategy. To thine self be true!

I was shocked to read Mr.

I was shocked to read Mr. Obama's statement that he supports the compromise but promises that as President he will 'carefully monitor the program'. My response in a letter to him was that after the excesses and power-grabbing of this horrific Administration, it was mind-boggling that he ask Americans to believe that everything will be OK because one man, a President, will look after the system. Americans do not need a government which depends upon the good intentions of "Our Leader". We have been down that rocky path, and our nation is bruised and battered because of it. Whether Mr. Obama chooses to rely on the small contributions of the many who have supported him, or decides for the few who stand to gain from telecomm immunity, remains to be seen.

It is my understanding that

It is my understanding that although the telecommunication systems cannot be prosecuted in a civil court, take note that their immunity will not prevent a criminal case. Barack Obama knows this and will make his move when he is elected. Keith Olbermann 's comments at the end of nis June30 program, gives a hopeful perspective. Whatever his views on FISA now, Barack will be condemned on the right. When he is president, he will have the power to block immunity in criminal court.

Hopefully Obama will take

Hopefully Obama will take the route suggested by Olberman...use the lack of criminal immunity in FISA to file criminal charges in this matter. Unfortunately, Obama will probably be as ineffectual at fighting tyranny as the rest of the '06 Democrats have been. If so-called activists really wanted change, they should have all thrown their support behind a real candidate for change, such as Ron Paul or even Dennis Kucinich.

I have suspended all of my

I have suspended all of my donations to a campaign that I was once very excited about. I think that if Obama is worried about the FISA law expirering that he doesn't really know who the real threats to this country are. If he thinks that the laws altercation by the FISA law makes us safer, then he's just another politician like the ones we already have. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON FOR THE ORIGINAL FISA LAW LET ALONE ONE THAT INFRINGES EVEN FURTHER ON OUR CIVIL RIGHTS. What sort of country are we creating here and when will we get a candidate who keeps his word. GOD I miss Kucinich....and Edwards........maybe we've made a mistake.

In a way the FISA

In a way the FISA legislation is more important than Iraq. Iraq is a mess and there are no good options, with FISA, it is very clear and there is only one option: NO IMMUNITY FOR TELECOMS and NO WEAKENING of Judicial or Congressional oversight. EVER! It is amazing how Jay Rockefeller and Steny Hoyer are willing to giveaway to the very people who deceived us into Iraq, not only the unchecked ability to spy on whom ever they choose, but also to break the law, and then rewrite the law retroactively, all the while blocking the publics ability to investigate for criminal conduct. What a Hat Trick? This is obstruction of justice and corruption of the highest order. There must be investigations into the Telecoms' influence on this legislation, as well as "Think Tanks" like The Third Way. Is it true that the coupe has already happened?

In a five hour fit of anger

In a five hour fit of anger and frustration, I dug up the names and contact information on the "Democratic" House & Senator traitors who voted to approve the latest version of the "Compromise FISA bill" -- which destroys our Fourth Amendment.  I put up the two lists on the Net as websites and will now go about "promoting" them.  Ideally, with your help, we could bring this site to the attention of enough people to develop a viral network that could then gain critical mass among voters to remove these traitors. Here are the sites:  For House "Representatives": http://www.cloudbyte.com/traitors.html For "Senators": http://www.cloudbyte.com/senatetraitors.html

I hope this is a learning

I hope this is a learning experience for the O-bomb-a fanatics. He's a through-and-through corporate tool. He supports the Patriot Act and he supports loosening restrictions on wiretapping--not just immunity for illegal wiretappers. Why does he support those things? Because he wants to be able to use those powers as President. He'll need them to crack down on dissent as he continues the wars on Iraq and Afghanistan for another four years.

Yep! Some of us always knew

Yep! Some of us always knew he was just a politician. I'm sorry for the lesson you less jaded people had to learn but learn it well and don't forget it. Obama has next to no experience and will be 'guided' by endless assholes, look who and what he's already choosing. I always felt he'd have voted for the war too IF he had been in Congress at the time and was just able to use that point because he wasn't. You couldn't believe it but Hillary really was the better choice, but Democrats always seem to keep shooting themselves. Then again, maybe Obama will be a miracle, we'll see. Keep speaking out loud and clear, even when the Dems have lost the election almost impossible to lose.

Maybe Obama is smarter than

Maybe Obama is smarter than we are, and has another trick up his sleeve. Maybe one where he actually comes ouut of this looking better thtn when he went in. Like changing his position and then saying "my supporters demanded it, so I am doing it." Maybe I am a softy, but if he did that, even I would be impressed.

This is only the first step

This is only the first step in the process of revealing Obama's true agenda, which we will soon learn is the same as Bush and McCain. Wakie, Wakie slumbering people, nothing will change in November. Ask Obama this one question and you'll know: will Obama repeal those laws passed by Bush that are unconstitutional and illegal? There ya have it...

Let us know: will this

Let us know: will this become McBush vs. BamaBush?

I'm tired of being

I'm tired of being marginalized as 'left', 'activist'... I'm an American. I want the government to honor the constitution and my right to privacy. I believe in balance, and that we went too far in giving up civil liberties to protect ourselves from these terrorists who are hiding behind the shrubbery. I'm a fiscal conservative who is shocked that we have allowed this administration to turn this affluent country into the worlds biggest debtor nation. I'm a patriot who believes the constitution should be taken literally. Most of all, I'm an American who believes in reasonable compromise. There is one thing that should never be compromised, though, and that is the constitution. For that reason, I need to see Obama live up to his promises to restore our rights and the rule of law. I just can't bring myself to contribute further if he won't honor his commitments in this important area. I'm really trying to withhold judgement, but right now, I feel as if I just lost my best friend. I'm also tired of hearing people compare him to Kerry, Gore, etc. Kerry lost because he couldn't get his base fired up. He barely registered on my radar. Gore had my support because I believe him intelligent, hardworking and honest, though certainly not the orator that Obama is. Obama should have stuck with his assertion that we are all Americans first and stood firm on the issues that have served him so well and have ignited a movement. The same old game of watering your positions down and trying to please everyone is a losing strategy. I thought he was smart enough to 'get' that, but maybe not.

Defend the Constitution and

Defend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights! This should be the single rallying cry of all citizens. The truly frightening FISA collapse, the cynically named Patriot Act, and most of the “Republican” legislation since Bush, has accomplished shifting the notion of the “Burden of Proof” from “Presumed Innocence” to PRESUMED GUILT. That rewrites the Constitution in stealth to an anti-democratic standard and that is illegal. The first obligation of Legislators, lawyers, and military personnel, is to defend “the Constitution against all enemies both foreign and domestic”. It is their oath of office. Not to uphold that oath is simply treason. If Obama wants to sponsor that, he is allowing anyone to be without the protection of law in his or her own home. Presumed Guilt, then, is the standard that we should judge him by. Remember, the new FISA Bill proposes to reverse federal law that has already been broken by the President, his minions and the Telecom agents. All of them who acted on the Presidents order have committed felonies. It will also protect Bush and his minions from impeachment. Who among us wants to protect people willing to presume guilt, arrest on suspicion, torture at whim and imprison without charges? It is simply a blatant reach by the government to be able to practice extortion. Legislators willing to remove our Right to privacy, our safety and security in our own homes sacrifice the essential principle upon which all other Rights depend. In supporting ANY anti-Constitutional measures, they abrogate the democratic contract by which they hold office. The declaration is simple: Defend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Anything less is unacceptable.

The GI BILL WAS ATTACHED to

The GI BILL WAS ATTACHED to the FISA law. . . The GI Bill, granting increased funding for education and a large increase for medical care of Veterans returning for OEF and OIF was included in the bill. If Bills wouldn't have the AMENDMENTS made and ACCEPTED by Pelosi and Hoyer, we wouldn't have OBAMA being raked over the coals of our rage. I, too, was unsatisfied with the situation until I heard Senator Jim Webb discuss what this Bill provided to all the servicemen and women returning from being used as the cannon fodder in Bush's "re-corporating" the oil fields of Iraq. I also read that the law only affects **RETROACTIVE IMMUNITY**, not that which goes forward from the date as stated in the Bill. Giving credit where it is due; Webb, Obama and those concerned with providing for those we sent into an "Occupation" based on lies, deserved the protection and assistance provided in this Bill. I will continue to support the OBAMA campaign as I have been in these uncomfortable positions and managed to correct the amendments with other policy . I am certain that OBAMA has the ability and the leadership to do the same.

Where is this supposed forum

Where is this supposed forum on Obama's website? I would really like to find it and participate. I've registered by I see no forums on there.

I'm just glad the Times is

I'm just glad the Times is reporting on this. Note that the founders of Kos and FireDog are valued here, and that this item became newsworthy after 7,000 names were collected. So, if 7K is the magic number, lets gather enough signatures to ensure the Times reports on a few of the "whitewashed" issues of the day: - Evidence of Karl Rove's caging lists to suppress the minority vote in 2004 ( - The report of Dick Cheney on the call lists of the DC Madam, whose recent death went univestigated - The failure of George W. Bush to deny his alleged "Downing Street Memo" statements - The Iraqi Congress voting U.S. troops out - Democratic NY Congressman Eliot Engel joins forces with Rev. Hagee to advocate Iranian strike

I looked up the so called

I looked up the so called *Traitors* and noticed that both John McCain and Barack Obama did not vote on the FISA bill. It says refused to vote but they might have been out campaigning. I happen to trust Obama to know what he is doing and where the heck is your loyalty. He might have wanted the bill to pass because of the good things for Veterans in it and probably knows the rest can be changed later. I couldn't even get the list of so called Traitors on the Republican side. I tried but it just wouldn't come up. It seems strange that Lieberman (I) and McCain (R) were both counted in Dem. side.

I can't find Obamas' "forum"

I can't find Obamas' "forum" either Echoing Joel Rosenblum's post above, Where is this supposed forum on Obama's website? I would really like to find it and participate. I've registered by I see no forums on there.