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St. Paul's Police Protest the Press

by: Michael Winship, t r u t h o u t | Perspective

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Police in full riot gear arrest protesters, and members of the press, at the GOP convention in St. Paul. (Photo: Reuters)

    Chronicling his life as a journalist in the colonial British Raj, a young Winston Churchill wrote that, "Nothing in life is so exhilarating as to be shot at without result." Nor, I'd add, is there anything in life quite so discombobulating as to turn a corner and unexpectedly walk into a wall of tear gas.

    It happened to me on a couple of occasions during the years of anti-Vietnam war protests, when I was a college student and young reporter in Washington, DC. Once I was gassed while filming a counterdemonstration on Honor America Day, a nationally televised celebration hosted by Bob Hope. As God is my witness, the gas hit just as Kate Smith was singing, "On a Clear Day You Can See Forever."

    The following year, 1971, demonstrators came from around the country to shut Washington down during morning rush hour. A photographer, another reporter and I were on the scene covering a failed attempt to close the Key Bridge crossing of the Potomac. Police in pursuit, we dashed uphill into the Georgetown neighborhood only to run smack into more police lobbing canister after canister of gas until it blanketed the streets. I remember then Rhode Island Senator Claiborne Pell standing at the top of his townhouse stoop in robe and slippers, bewildered at the scene unfolding below him, clutching his rolled up copy of the Washington Post for dear life. Momentarily blinded, students took us in hand and led us to a makeshift infirmary in the basement of a university building.

    So, attending the Democratic National Convention in Denver and watching events at the Republican National Convention in St. Paul via television, the sights and sounds of police and protesters were familiar. And that scent, the heavy, cloying smell of gas and pepper spray, as evocative as, but far less delicate than a Proustian cookie.

    In both cities, getting tickets to the big shindigs hosted by major corporations seeking to bend the ear of party VIP's was a media challenge - they were blocked by sometimes heavy-handed attempts by police and private security to keep the press out. A very few, like ABC News' Brian Ross got in, recording, for example, the bash thrown for Republicans by Lockheed Martin, the American Trucking Association and the NRA, featuring a band named Hookers and Blow. However, in Denver, one of Ross' producers, Asa Eslocker, was arrested while trying to interview Democratic senators and donors leaving a private event at the Brown Palace Hotel.

    What was different in St. Paul was that the police seemed especially intent on singling out independent journalists and activists covering the Republican convention for the Internet and other alternative forms of media. Over the weekend, police staged preemptive raids on several buildings where planning sessions for demonstrations were being held, one of them a meeting of various video bloggers, including I-Witness Video, a media group that monitors law enforcement. Later in the week, I-Witness' temporary headquarters were entered by police, claiming they had received news of a possible hostage situation.

    Why all this interest? One can only speculate, but footage that I-Witness shot at the Republican convention four years ago in Manhattan has helped exonerate hundreds who were arrested and detained by the New York Police Department, their cases either dismissed or resulting in acquittals at trial.

    In St. Paul, two student photographers and their advisor from the University of Kentucky were held without charge for 36 hours. The ACLU of Minnesota ID'd several other journalists, bloggers and photographers from Rhode Island, California, Illinois, Florida, and other parts of the country that also were arrested. Many others were gassed or hit by pepper spray.

    Perhaps the most prominent arrest was that of journalist Amy Goodman, anchor of the daily television and radio news program, "Democracy Now!" Police had taken two of her producers into custody as they were trying to cover the news. Goodman went out looking for them, but didn't get very far. She was stopped, slapped into handcuffs, and hauled into a detention center, along with almost 200 hundred other people. They had come to demonstrate, she had come to report on them.

    Goodman was released a few hours later and back on the job anchoring her daily radio and TV show, a favorite of listeners and viewers who go to her for news they won't find in the mainstream or rightwing press.

    What has those in control worried is that despite what the politicians tell us from inside their fortified compounds where the party line rules, more and more people outside have cameras and laptops, and they're not afraid to use them.

    Forty years ago, protestors in Chicago shouted, "The whole world is watching." More and more, the whole world isn't just watching. From Minnesota to China, citizen journalists are reporting what they see and hear, and the powers that be don't like it.

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    Michael Winship is senior writer of the weekly public affairs program Bill Moyers Journal, which airs Friday night on PBS. Check local airtimes or comment at The Moyers Blog at www.pbs.org/moyers.

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What a difference between

What a difference between today and the 60s and 70s. In bygone days protests were covered by the mainstream press.

Thank you for being the

Thank you for being the voice of the modern day patriot.

What does every totalitarian

What does every totalitarian regime want to control? Information. We have entered the twilight zone of a land we never thought America would become. Bravo to all those who fight this.

An intriguing and important

An intriguing and important line of inquiry, demanding investigation by reporters, congressional representatives and advocates of civil liberties and constitutional rights is: WHY did the city of St. Paul REQUIRE an agreement with RNC stipulating that the RNC would reimburse the city of St. Paul for any liabilities and damages stemming from lawsuits concerning the treatment of protesters? (or rather mis-treatment of protesters and media, trammeling of civil liberties and constitutional rights)? The existence of this agreement has already been admitted by representatives from the city of St. Paul. The existence of this agreement signals an a priori knowledge and awareness on the part of St. Paul authorities that the intervention strategies and control tactics employed to stifle and suppress demonstrators and unsanctioned news coverage would in all likelihood be construed as illegal by a court of law. Does this amount to collusion or conspiracy to violate rights of? At a minimum, it is clearly a confession on the part of the city of St. Paul of its willingness, if not intent, to “cross the line” and break the law (at the bidding of the RNC) if necessary. And the RNC’s willingness to pay for it if necessary (up to ten million dollars)! The RNC agreed, in writing, to cover (or purchase) 10,000,000 dollars worth of damage and violence to the civil liberties and constitutional rights of the other convention attendees. Wow! now that is a hell of a shopping spree. How is this explained by the parties to the agreement?

Oh, my God. It looks like

Oh, my God. It looks like the RNC intended to turn St. Paul law enforcement into a pit bull with lipstick. It may be true (as our current Republican president has pointed out) that the Constitution “is just a piece of paper”. But it is an inspired document, so the RNC had better be careful lest they incur the wrath of God and He sends another hurricane! Oh, I guess he did that already, nevermind.

Outrageous attacks on press,

Outrageous attacks on press, particularly indies. So why bury after an intro that is half the article long? The Winston and Winship could have come later. More counterpunch, less arty leads.

Its just beginning.

Its just beginning.

This will continue as long

This will continue as long as the MSM keeps treating these legalized gang members with any degree of respect. When a few MSM reporters get their heads split open, this will stop.

Should McCain take the

Should McCain take the presidency--one way or another--it's time to get out of the country. If you can, by then. Learn a foreign language or two, bone up on other people's cultures, become an ex-pat like all those corporations HQ'd on small islands in order to avoid paying their share of the taxes. Those taxes mainly used to support more of the dozens of wars waged by the US in the 20th century to support corporate exploitation of other nations' peoples and resources. America is under the heel of corporate rule, just as Washington, Lincoln, and Eisenhower (among others) have warned about. Probably, we'll have another 9/11 if Obama magically gets in despite election rigging. Police state already here, just used specifically, until McBush puts it to full use. We ain't seen nothin' yet!

I watched the speeches in

I watched the speeches in the evening of the convention and was amazed that there was no coverage of the demonstrations outside the convention. Thank you for providing some coverage. I recall the demonstrations against the Vietnam war. I witnessed them and was part of them. I have often wondered what happened to the spirit of dissent since those day. We sure have put up with a great deal since. Vietnam pales in comparison with what is going on in Iraq.

Is it just me, or do the

Is it just me, or do the Republicans appear to be getting very paranoid?

Protest and survive! What

Protest and survive! What would Tom Paine do?

Anyone a student of history?

Anyone a student of history? Go look up archival photos of what happened as Hitler was taking over and there was protesting. the first media shutdowns were of papers and radio stations that did not support Nazi standards. Fast forward - now to see why it seems so familiar. Then look at the final three minutes of McCain's speech, and flash back to footage of Hitler at Party faithful rallies in the 1930s and 1940s. It is identical and it is scarier now because we can see it. As long as independent journalists try to report the news, we may still have a slim chance of saving this nation. Otherwise, like some here have pointed out, you either had better prepare to leave the country or you better prepare to fight for her in the next civil war - and one that will come sooner rather than later if the Republicans finish what they have started.

I've looked at the whole Amy

I've looked at the whole Amy Goodman video repeatedly. Some of the sites have partial vidoes. In the longer videos, she seems to be trying to leave the sidewalk and cross the police line. As a veteran of many demonstrations in the '60's, this is lunacy. Just because she has correct views and a press pass, doesn't give her the right to advance across the police line. The office tells her to step back on the sidewalk. She tries to push her way through despite these warnings. He escorts her back to the sidewalk. She wheels around and tries to escape his grasp and tries to break through the line again. Perhaps I'm getting to old, but in my day, that got you a billyclub. She was placed under arrest. You can hear a crowd behind on the sidewalk. If one person breaks through the line, then dozens follow, and the police have a mess on their hands. I think that a chunk of the left has lost its senses. These guys on the police line are scared; they are human beings. They are being asked to hold a line, and most of them don't want to arrest anyone and certainly don't want to hurt anyone. Goodman should have known better. You don't walk through a police line, when an officer is saying, maam, step back to the sidewalk. You don't do that..... There is no excuse for it. I don't know what the heck else happened, but she disobeyed a lawful order of a police officer in a crowd control situation and got arrested. The difference between the 60's and now is that the police beat up demonstrators, on occasion, without provocation. Goodman purposely tried to break through a police line and from the video it appears that she was repeatedly warned and went ahead anyway.

I sincerely hope that M is

I sincerely hope that M is wrong in the prediction "this will continue as long as" because by the time MSM reporters are getting their heads split open, the rest of us will be utterly doomed. Let us hope this will end when the public demands it. Let us also hope that they will.

The mainstream press just

The mainstream press just shows what the average (ignorant) American wants to see. Old fat white guys dancing (or moving thier hands) to "Celebration" Gore Vidal was right. We can't handle the truth. What is easier, to bury your head in the sand and watch NBC news with Tom Brokaw, or realize that your government is out of control and literally untouchable either by protest or voting. I agree with the poster above that the corporations have gotten it right.Move to an island, collect wages/earnings and not pay any taxes.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Conventions/story?id=5668622&page=1 I like how truthout reports on police in St. Paulgoing after reporters, but completely failed to mention Denver police doing the same to reporters at the DNC. ABC News, supposedly part of the "corporate media" machine, reported on it since it was one of their own. Where was truthout coverage? Noticeably absent. Why? My hunch is they don't wanna upset their donor base with the other side of the truth... If places like truthout are your ONLY source of news, then you're not much better than staunch comnservatives that use Fox News as their sole source...

I don't know if you've ever

I don't know if you've ever lived there, but since forever, Minneapolis was the real city and St Paul was the reserve of the rich and conservatives. Their police seemed to reflect that. So did the choice of St paul.

Fascism.

Fascism.

"That's not how we do it in

"That's not how we do it in St. Paul," one pol kept saying, but it's in the bytes, that IS how it's done in St. Paul, and Minneapolis too. Pre-emptive raids, arrest of two dozen or so journalists, gassing of families who had lead the largest march, Coast Guard boats in the Mississippi, snipers on top of buildings downtown... Nothing's changed, I remember Mpls. Mayor Stenvig raiding parties over three decades ago, so don't think Minnesota's "progressive" -- afterall, Tim "Green Chameleon" Pawlenty was elected Governor and this was "his party" until he was passed over for VP. And don't get caught up in the "Minnesota Nice" trap -- what "Minnesota Nice" might do is give the RNC and the yahoos who sold their/our souls to do this convention a get out of jail free pass, because "Minnesota Nice" says that conflict isn't nice and standing up for your rights (Wellstone mantra aside) isn't allowed. We'll see if we can muster some backbone here and hold them accountable for violation of our most fundamental principles. Clean Water Action is leading the charge condemning the actions of the multi-jurisdictional police force, now joined by Amnesty International and ACLU and it seems even the "mainstream" press got their hackles up and started reporting on it once their reporters and photographers were arrested. A friend working on the arraignments said, "Oh, don't worry, it'll all work its way out once the lawsuits start." Great... just great, but if that's what it takes, ja sure, you betcha!! http://www.legalectric.org

Does anyone know that the

Does anyone know that the RNC has employed professional bloggers to dispute the truth so that we are given mis-information? I wholeheartedly believe that the comments by, "I've looked at the whole Amy Goodman video", has dollars signs, which if investigated, are linked to the brilliant mind of a RNC party member going for his credentials as a promising fiction writer of the 4th reich. Mein Kept Amy Down.

Amy Goodman repeatedly told

Amy Goodman repeatedly told the police she was a member of the Press and showed them her Press Card. This didn't stop them, but seemed to encourage them to proceed. Both Amy and her producer were bleeding and injured. It's a hell of a way to accomplish a task protected and defined by our Constitution, both the right to peaceful protest and the right to freedom of the Press! In the meantime, the fat cats inside with their cowboy hats, cheering their Prom Queen, waving their flags, haven't got a clue as to what our Constitution guarantees. They elected a leader who ignores it, and seem to feel they are above the law. Every fascist regime has scoffed at the professors, the scientists, the learned among us, and took control the Press. We must not let this happen! We must not allow these radical bullies to trample on Constitutional law!

"You don't walk through a

"You don't walk through a police line, when an officer is saying, ma'am, step back to the sidewalk. You don't do that..... There is no excuse for it." The digital press needs to learn the lessons and guidelines that print, radio, and TV already know. I dearly love Amy and her krewe, and wish them the very best. But you can't get in the way of a working man with orders to follow -- and that's all that the cops really are. Question the orders, the rules of engagement, and the priorities of the top cop as you wish, but when you hear "please step back, ma'am," you ignore it at your own peril. Cops consider refusal to obey Command and Control as a direct insult to themselves and their job. Police response to citizen behavior depends on citizen response to the lawful and legitimate requests of the police. Argue with the city government and their federal liaison and emergency task force all you want, but don't get in the face of the working man with your policy issues -- he's got a job to do. Bad move, Amy. You have to do your (usually excellent) homework here, too.

re: I've looked at the whole

re: I've looked at the whole Amy Goodman video I shot the whole Amy Goodman video and mr. anonymous is either a cop, an imbecile or both.

I can't help but wonder if

I can't help but wonder if the nazis behaved in a similar manner when Hitler started taking over.

To "=Eric": I think that

To "=Eric": I think that what is actually happening here is that when cops refuse to follow the First Amendment, that American Citizens consider it a direct insult to themselves, and their Constitution. Arresting reporters in peacetime is the same as shooting them in wartime - the act of craven thugs. "They've just got jobs to do." sounds like a likely defense of Nazi death-camp gaurds. So what are we supposed to do when "COMMAND AND CONTROL" tells us to stop exercising our Freedom of Speech, or they will open fire? What do you really expect The People to do when COMMAND AND CONTROL tells them to accept the official State religion (I suspect that's on the way, too!) or they will release the attack dogs? I'm getting a little sick of people fawning on the police state. What part of "Freedom of The Press" don't you understand?! More importantly, what part of FREEDOM OF THE PRESS" does St. Paul and Denver law enforcement not understand? This authoritarian crap is getting WAY out of control!

"I can't help but wonder

"I can't help but wonder if Sun, 09/07/2008 - 01:56 — Judy W. (not verified) I can't help but wonder if the nazis behaved in a similar manner when Hitler started taking over." The RNC doesn't wonder, whose playbook do you think they are using?

"Does anyone know that the

"Does anyone know that the RNC has employed professional bloggers" this administration has been doing this for awhile, it's not new to the election season. It's been part of their 'war of ideas' strategy. It seems they are afraid that people get ideas, information and then share them. Fear based politics is old news. Time for truth. The purpose of TO and alternative media sources is exactly because you don't get the whole picture at best and downright lies at worst. Amy Goodman confronted St. Paul PD about this 1st amendment violation and asked what they expected her to do. Ramsey said, "The journalists can embed themselves with the police" Of course, that increases the numbers coming directly at the demonstrators ordering them off the streets which belong to the people anyway. Wonder how the reporter's perspective changes when he's one of the ones in bullet-proof vests and body armor?

Perhaps it isn't

Perhaps it isn't relevant, but I live in St. Paul and I got around by bicycle a bit during the invasion. I also paid attention to comments by the St. Paul Police Chief vs. those of the Ramsey County Sheriff. Not just those in the mainstream corporate media, but also in local outlets. The most striking image in my own mind was the sea of storm troopers at on the Capital lawn the night Rage Against the Machine didn't get to play. Behind the wall of gray I noted with glee a dozen St. Paul police on their bicycles. Standard blue shirts and shorts. No riot gear. I'm not quite sure who they were watching. Us or the padded platoons. I don't know, really, what part my City's police played and how enthusiastic it was. The point may be moot, but I've been in this city more than 15 years and I have mostly good to say about *my* cops. The County Sheriff is another matter. St. Paul police have saved my tail (usually from my own blunder) more than once. I guess I feel I owe some of them. I guess I hope that they were not sucked in too deeply.

for anyone who missed the

for anyone who missed the video, here's a recap. - amy runs for blocks to find out about arrested producers held in a blgd. - tries to find bldg entrance, police line all around bldg. - finally stops across from entrance, no one else hardly around. - asks cop closest to entrance: 'I need to get inside, here's my credentials' copy stays stay back. she says, 'no, let me speek to your co'. cop arrests her. this is what a police state looks like. shame on those who accept it.

On the night that Amy

On the night that Amy Goodman got arrested I called the St. Paul police station to express my disgust that one of our respected press people had been arrested. The reply of the person that talked to me was that she had already been released and "Ma'm that is what happens when people break the law." I felt it was useless to argue with this man at the time as I knew he was just saying and doing what he had to. I think that the media in general needs to reassert its rights, granted under the first amendment that they CAN and SHOULD BE anywhere they want to be to cover events wherever they need to be. All of these arrests of journalists and protestors bodes very badly for all of us. WHAT IF IN THIS NEXT ELECTION THE VOTES ARE STOLEN? We should all march to the front steps of the white house. How many of us are willing to risk our lives and health. WHICH ONE OF US IS TRULY A PATRIOT AND NOT A ROYALIST? Interesting times these. WE CANNOT BE COWARDS. WE CANNOT LET THE EVIL FORCES REIGN. I HAVE HOPE, YES I DO!

McCain and Palin's sass is

McCain and Palin's sass is no satire. I, too, am thoroughly disgusted with the control by privatization and the extremely poor reporting of the mainstream press. In the capitol of NC, newspaper reporters are losing their jobs because of failing sale of copy. If the reporters for the mainstream press would go back to real investigation, telling the truth, and printing it, too, perhaps the threat to journalism in print would be reduced, like creating "green jobs" from alternative sources of energy.

To Michael, Amy and the rest

To Michael, Amy and the rest of the press there to cover NEWS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR DEDICATION. I only hope your continued reporting, in whatever manner you are able, triggers others to join the charge against oppressive and tyrannical methods used by the government to control and enslave the population.

Hmmm... what was once

Hmmm... what was once bizarre is now the norm. Based on the videos I've witnessed I feel safe in saying that we live in a Police State. The Corporate Bosses are in charge, and how is that different from Fascism? Amy Goodman's detention does not hold up. Crossing a line is ridiculous reason for being arrested. She had the proper press credentials and passes and yet she is treated as guilty of...what? expressing her concern about employees and coworkers trying to get the story? She wasn't armed but wasn't treated with kid gloves. As DJKnoll wrote below, read history to understand how fascism started in Italy and Spain and spread to Germany circa 1920-30's etc etc. As stated below, it looks like time to relocate.

This is criminal police

This is criminal police behavior. It is literally warrantless invasion of private homes that included assault and battery by police. Who instigated and sanctioned this illegal behavior? I'd like to see a paper with a general assessment of what facilitates the police actions we've seen in St Paul. What is the schematic of the chain of command? The charges against protesters are specious and aim at being punitive - but preemptive action is inexcusable. Every red blooded American patriot should say so. Why is there no national outcry? What's going on? Who are the responsible individuals and are they immune from civil law? Have Civil Rights lawyers no platform legally and publicly for the review of the Constitution and domestic law? There must be scores of laws violated in the police behavior there. There is clearly a strategy to criminalize public lobbying for the Bill of Rights but whatever else it is, it's not Law. Why can't this breakdown of law and the Rights of Citizens be deconstructed so that the responsible parties are known and held accountable? Short of that, why can't they be shamed and excoriated?

I watched the behavior of

I watched the behavior of the police toward an older woman wearing only a blouse and skirt. Hardley concealing any weapons, not even weight developed biceps. I have placed ST Paul on my list of cities that I will never visit. I think that many of us should write the Chamber of Commerce and tell them so. I wil even giv plice a break when they are faced with a group of strong, aggressive youth shouting and using expletives. The value of the tape is that this single older fragile woman who spoke politely was manhandled. call me DEPRESSED OVER THE MEANNESS AND STUPIDITY OF THOSE ATTENDING THE GOP AFFAIR.

"but when you hear "please

"but when you hear "please step back, ma'am," you ignore it at your own peril. " There was at least one person, I only know him as "Scarecrow", who was tasered *five times* after being told to leave the street, putting his hands up and saying "OK, where do you want me to go?" Five times. Last I heard, the copper rods were still embedded in his hip. And he had a head injury and no medical attention. Even when you do just what the police tell you, they can still react with violence. Re: "If you break the law you get arrested" ... when the law can be written to deny fair rights, then getting arrested for breaking that law is still wrong. When the police break up a demonstration that had gotten a legal permit, and trap 300 people on a bridge for an hour while deciding to arrest them or not, then they clearly have no respect for the law themselves. Finally, many St. Paul police officers are themselves, in personal conversations, disavowing the police brutality as overreactions by less-well-trained rural cops from other states who volunteered to be here to be macho and kick some hippie asses. They are as disgusted as we are... and they still have to live here. --Mpls citizen

This will make a

This will make a difference.WE know what is happening.We are not blind to the injustice and we know who the criminals are. It will be a painful time for us but it will not be in vain.Fox news is fading,there is infighting at MSNBC for real news coverage and Wolf Blitzer will be put at to pasture as Katie finds a less stressful line of work. Keep the faith.Integrity matters.This is the Revolution that Jefferson said would come again to keep our country free from tyranny.You can see the heroes being made as we speak.

I listened and heard the

I listened and heard the sounds of horror on KPFA in Berkeley California. I was stunned to think that such brutality was turned on our young citizens who were protesting to let the powers that be know they want a better future for themselves. I was stunned that journalists were targeted. We live in a Democracy and what keeps us free is our press and its ability to let us know what is truly going on. Why are people not more upset over this. I was also stunned that not one of the Democratic or Republicans who are asking us to vote for them because they are going to protect us and our Constitution did not come out against this horror. Also where was the mainstream press. Don't they care about our youth and their future. Don't they care about the First Amendment. Who are these people, these pundits who help justify these acts or completely ignore them? Who are the men and women behind those horrible masks that are willing to do these acts? This was truly a sad event in our American History.

Constitutional compass!

Constitutional compass! Remember. Government "bloggers" only need to get you to blink to think that what is going on is "acceptable". It is NOT Acceptable to democratic culture or American History! Look again at the comment from Sat, 09/06/2008 - 18:16 or Sat, 09/06/2008 - 23:26. You and I need to get our Constitutional compass. That single emphasis will hold the bastards accountable, eventually. Police only defend their immediate command. Citizens defend the Republic and Citizen's Rights. History is on our side!

Yes, and it's because the

Yes, and it's because the mainstream media do not cover these crimes against the Constitution and against the United States that we have such deep problems with criminality in the government in the first place. Our political discourse is vitiated at the very beginning. The American people had better stop watching television and start reading and get off their f.a. and protect their rights.

The police crackdowns in St.

The police crackdowns in St. Paul and Denver were just two more manifestations of the the wave of fascism that has been gathering momentum since John Kennedy was assassinated. The co-option of the press and other organs of information, and the forcible crushing of those media and journalists who don't "play along" has been on the right-wing agenda for decades because in the past, journalists were their greatest foil. Now NBC buckled to the pressure over the weekend in announcing they were taking Olberman and Matthews off the front line for MSNBC coverage of the upcoming debates. Watch for other media to cave in to the Republican pressure and ignore the real stories we need to know. Thank God for the brave ones who risked it in Denver and St Paul, and for Truthout! We are in grave danger, and it's only going to get worse.

I'm REALLY starting to find

I'm REALLY starting to find the "Old Fat White Guy" comments offensive. Remember the nations founders were old fat white guys. The authors of the constitution we revere were old fat white guys! I'm an old white guy, and I've never participated in any of the corporate buy out crap . I can guarantee you that 99 percent of us "Old White Guys were never asked our opinion and would have dissented if asked. So hold your racist comments to your self. We old white guys are in the Democratic mix much more than you know. Amy Goodman is an "Old White Woman" and Viola Liouzzo was an old white woman. One "Old White man" George Bush and his cronies being crooks doesn't make all old White men crooks.

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