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Taxpayers, Congress Push Back Against Bailout

by: Matt Renner, t r u t h o u t | Report

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Representative Barney Frank, chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, has entered into negotiations with the Bush administration over the Wall Street bailout. (Photo: Getty Images)

    Washington, DC - Push back against the massive $700 billion Wall Street bailout proposal has come hard and fast from members of Congress on both sides of the aisle.

    The bailout plan proposed by the Bush administration would give the Treasury Department and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson - a former Wall Street CEO himself - the power to buy up extremely risky mortgages and other dangerous debt using taxpayer dollars. Because the US government continues to run a deficit, under the plan, the Treasury would have to borrow money to buy this private sector debt - essentially using the taxpayer's credit card to buy home loans that are currently weighing down Wall Street firms.

    Members of Congress point to a severe lack of oversight in the proposed Bush administration plan. Section eight of the draft bailout plan states: "Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency," essentially stripping Congress of its responsibility to oversee the how these tax dollars could be spent.

    Constituents have been blowing up the phone lines on Capitol Hill, calling House of Representatives members, Republicans and Democrats, objecting to the no-strings-attached bailout, and the representatives have responded. Democrats are currently crafting various proposals to help prop up Wall Street firms which have gotten themselves into trouble, but without simply throwing away taxpayer money and without letting CEOs of the affected firms off the hook with fat retirement packages.

    Representative Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio), spoke out against a bailout, calling the current proposal "cash for trash," and proposing a distribution of the assets back to the taxpayers.

    "Since the bailout will cost each and every American about $2,300, tomorrow I will offer legislation to create a United States Mutual Trust Fund, which will take control of $700 billion in stock assets, at market value and not higher, convert those assets to shares, and distribute $2,300 worth of shares to new individual savings accounts in the name of each and every American," Kucinich said in a statement.

    "The Wall Street financial disaster is an opportunity to create a genuine ownership society. If Congress invests $700 billion in the market, then the American people must get something of real value for their investment," Kucinich said.

    "The seven and a half year march toward deregulation and unfettered greed in our financial markets has exacted a heavy toll on American taxpayers," Representative Jackie Speier (D-California) said in a statement, adding, "I am not comfortable allowing the same Wall Street insiders and manipulators who got us into this mess to get a free pass. At the very least, the Government Accountability Office should be camped out at Treasury and Congress must be continually updated on the status of the bailout." Speier sits on both the House Financial Services and Oversight and Government Reform Committees. She said she would be watching the situation closely.

    Conservative Republican Representative Mike Pence of Indiana was the first to loudly oppose the bailout plan from within the Republican Party.

    "The Administration's request amounts to the largest corporate bailout in American history. Congress should act, but should act in a way that protects the integrity of our free market and protects the American taxpayer from more debt and higher taxes," Pence said in a statement Saturday.

    Pence makes his argument based on his belief in the Republican mantra of "free market" economics. "To have the freedom to succeed, we must preserve the freedom to fail. Any solution to our present crisis must preserve our essential economic freedom," Pence said.

    Democrats have begun to craft a counterproposal, the details of which are not yet set at the time of this publication. Congressman Barney Frank (D-Massachusetts) chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, has been pushing for a plan that includes more oversight and possibly direct financial help to indebted homeowners as well as to Wall Street.

    Frank would also like to see compensation limited for Wall Street executives who have created the current situation.

    "The notion that while they are getting this help from the federal government we can't tell them not to have golden parachutes, not to pay millions to some of the very people who made bad decisions, as a retirement gift, is unacceptable to us," Frank said to CNN.

    CNBC is reporting that Frank and Senate Banking Committee Chairman Chris Dodd (D-Connecticut) are negotiating with the Bush administration. According to Frank, administration officials have agreed to take control of pieces of the companies that they are bailing out - equity stakes in the companies - equal to the amount of taxpayer money invested.

    According to CNBC, the administration has agreed to creation of a Congressional oversight board of some kind, but details have not yet been released.

    However, according to Frank, limiting pay for business executives is a key sticking point for the administration.

    The rush to bail out financial institutions and the willingness to defend executive compensation comes as no surprise to campaign finance experts. Massie Ritsch, communications director for the money in politics watchdog group The Center for Responsive Politics, examines the effect of campaign contributions to politicians in Washington.

    "Wall Street is one of the biggest campaign givers in American politics. When you combine donations from the finance, insurance and real estate sectors [all of which stand to gain from the bailout], they become the largest contributor, splitting roughly $311 million evenly between Republicans and Democrats," Ritsch said.

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Matt Renner is an editor and Washington reporter for Truthout. He can be reached at Matt@truthout.org.

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Did someone push a button

<"The seven and a half year march toward deregulation and unfettered greed in our financial markets has exacted a heavy toll on American taxpayers," Representative Jackie Speier (D-California) said in a statement,"> Did someone push a button 7.5 years ago, releasing unfettered greed? I remember plenty of greed during dotcom days. And Bill Clinton himself said he was getting pressure from both sides to deregulate. I don't disagree altogether with what I've read here however.

Wall street has bought and

Wall street has bought and paid for our government. They have been getting favors for years that are just as gross to the average Americans sensibilities, it is just this cannot be buried on page nine, or only covered by progressive media and ignored by the mainstream. Maybe people are finally fed up as well, I doubt it. This has nothing to do with democratic or republican parties (Clinton had just a big a hand in this as anybody). It is the libertarian ideology, untested anywhere in history, giving us the hard data we need to say "This is a bad idea, we need something else. We demand something else."

These business wonks are the

These business wonks are the stupidest people on earth -- they NEVER learn. They repeat their idiotic mantras about the "free market" and the people are stuck with the bills. Paulson wants total laissez faire, which will drive people further into the abyss he and his ilk dug for us. It's time for Congress to learn some reality and enact a strictly structured system for recovery. It's more than the corporations that need to recover -- it's the people holding wild mortgages (those that haven't yet lost their homes); it's the people forced out of jobs as the corporations crumbled -- while the CEOs got consolation millions. There's a better slogan than "Free Market" -- it's NEVER AGAIN!

The executives who created

The executives who created this situation should be looked at as criminals, not leaders of our financial market! These financial geniuses knew where they were taking this country . . . and they are getting away with it!

Only under the bizarre

Only under the bizarre system of incestuous relationships that dominates Washington would the people's representatives be debating whether or not to pay those responsible for this debacle according to their contracts, rather than whether or not to send them to jail.

Real Wisdom: "To have the

Real Wisdom: "To have the freedom to succeed, we must preserve the freedom to fail. Any solution to our present crisis must preserve our essential economic freedom," Our principles and our history declare that Americans are better equipped to respond to disaster with innovation and liberty than to scarf ice our essential freedoms for a solution devised by government. Trusting Secretary Paulson, the Bush administration and the current congress to guide us through these perilous times is akin to paying the arsonist to rebuild our damaged home. Be brave America, we have nothing to fear but fear itself. Be wise. Be prudent. Move slowly. It is far better that we suffer a bit more now for our negligence than be hoodwinked into living in debt-and-taxation hell for generations to come.

"Wall Street is one of the

"Wall Street is one of the biggest campaign givers in American politics. When you combine donations from the finance, insurance and real estate sectors [all of which stand to gain from the bailout], they become the largest contributor, splitting roughly $311 million evenly between Republicans and Democrats" The real problem in Washington is the absence of integrity endemic in the culture of incumbency! Wasn’t it Einstein who said that doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity? Vote them out! ALL of them. We need fresh thinking on both sides of the aisle in both chambers. ESPECIALLY THE SENATE. You have to love this country, where else can you turn 311 million into 700 billion? If we vote them back into office, we essentially sanction the malfeasance and deserve the next load of manure they force feed us.

Thank you for keeping me

Thank you for keeping me informed. I worry so much that we are once again following along with the Bush administration without taking the time to make sure we are not giving money to the folks who have been leading us down the road paved by greed....or killing innocent people. Thank you, and please keep writing.

Ralph Nader. Ron Paul.

Ralph Nader. Ron Paul. Cynthia McKinney. It is time to breakup ONE party rule. A new congress and a third party president. Talk about TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION. Wouldn't it be better to start from scratch and build a new ship of state than spend our precious resources to buy the "toxic waste" that everyone else in the market is dying from all ready?

We have rushed through way

We have rushed through way too many bills because the administration says we must over the past 8 years. It is time to ensure that IF there is a bailout that the taxpayers are covered and that there is clear oversight. Section 8 must be eliminated period. It gives too much power to one individual and eliminates the judicial and congressional oversight that is needed. Haven't we seen this BS enough over the past 8 years.Hensche

Another taxpayer funded bail

Another taxpayer funded bail out. Why not? After all, it's only money. My money, your money, our parent's money, our children's money..... OK, if WE the PEOPLE have to own this financial fiasco, then WE set the terms. NO PAY AT ALL for CEOs of any failed company needed a bail out. I don't get paid for destroying my employer, neither should they. Any operator or middleman or other 'financial advisor' who profited from the debacle will disgorge all monies above $40,000 a year. These monies have been stolen from the taxpaying citizens who are struggling to survive day to day. The greed train must STOP!!!

Critical: Time limit on all

Critical: Time limit on all authorized actions/expenditures to about 6 months: allow the next administration to make longer-term decisions. Important: Absolutely prevent "golden parachutes". Important: Require total visibility and periodic updates on what goes on. Important: Require an analysis by the end of 6 months that is prepared by a bi-partisan committee with a minority report if there is no consensus. Can we learn?

WWW.RICOACT.COM STOP MOLLY

WWW.RICOACT.COM STOP MOLLY CODDLING THESE CROOKS! Demand rico act by name for criminy sakes there is no more accurate a definition for this tool of prosecution and rico takes them ALL DOWN!

This has been going on since

This has been going on since Reagan, but the repeal of Glass-Steagall, which made all the speculation easier, happened under Clinton--a bill passed by the Republican Congress, but supported by some corporate Democrats as well, and embraced by the DLC and Clinton. What really should be addressed is not the bad paper, but the underlying value of the paper, which is people's mortgages going into default. Those are what should be insured. That would keep people in their homes, and then the bad paper would be made whole. In the same package the Congress should outlaw derivatives, or derivatives on derivatives from ever being created again, or severely limit the amount of debt that can be leveraged on a dollar.

"Wall Street is one of the

"Wall Street is one of the biggest campaign givers in American politics." And here's the key. Wall Street and K Street have been sleeping in the same bed for most of American history, so it's really no surprise that the administration is rushing to clean up a disaster that can only be described as the product of arrogance, greed, and recklessness. Let's all just take a breath and realize that we saw this coming all along.

Section 8 smacks of Cheney's

Section 8 smacks of Cheney's tactics. Evading accountability and assuming a blank check for the executive branch are his holy grail. Just like the war in Iraq, Guantanamo, signing statements, or any of the other myriad actions he has taken to shield federal agencies from scrutiny.

A $700 billion bailout plan

A $700 billion bailout plan without congressional or judicial oversight? NO WAY, Jose! As proposed by the Bush administration, the bailout plan giving Treasure Secretary unfettered power to spend taxpayers' money on bad debts by the Wall Street firms is more than a massive ripoff -- it's flat-out unconstitutional. Article I of the Constitution is quite clear: Congress has the last word on how our tax dollars are spent, NOT the executive branch. This is yet another example of the Bush administration's contempt for the constitutional system of checks and balances that the Founding Fathers established. There MUST be congressional oversight over how the public's tax dollars are spent -- and there's nothing that Bush can do about it. He can't bully Congress into passing what he wants anymore.

Criminals take all the money

Criminals take all the money they can get (definition of criminal - many Wall Street players and bankers and leaders) and then when it all comes crashing down - which it always must - they get to walk away with their ill-gotten money. This is WRONG. We cannot let this happen. Why do we the people have to pay for their greed, even when they are 'caught', they still get to keep it and get even more? How long are we the people going to continue to put up with being robbed blind, over and over and over again. They should each be looked at individually and have to 'pay' based on their level of collusion in - making bad loans, and all the others shady deals Wall Street makes -just to certain individuals can rake it in. We need to change the rules from the bottom up. And no Section 8 in the bail out.

"$2300 per American" The

"$2300 per American" The important number is amount per taxpayer. There are 117 million taxpayers in the US. The proposed bailout is $1.1 Trillion ($700 billion plus $400 billion to cover money market fund losses in a FDIC-like fashion). THAT'S $9400 PER TAXPAYER, $18,800 PER "MARRIED FILING JOINTLY" HOUSEHOLD. If enough people refuse to pay their taxes, it will create enough uncertainty that the government will either have to listen to the taxpayers, or send out the shock troops to scare us all into paying.

OK, PAY ATTENTION. I open a

OK, PAY ATTENTION. I open a bank. In the vault I have $100 dollars. You come in and want a loan. I can loan you $1000 because the fractional reserve lending laws passed by congress allow only one tenth of the money loaned to be in the banks assets. After I loan you the $1000, what are my assets? Wrong. My assets are now over $1100 (interest on the loan included), because loans are considered assets. So now I can loan ten times that amount. Pretty cool huh? This is why congress and Nixon were pressured by banking lobbyists and the FED to go off the gold standard. Before that, you had to have "species", gold or silver reserves to back up your assets. Now you only need air so the FED can print all the money it wants and loan it to banks and they loan it to us and other banks. That's why when push comes to shove, none of these institutions have the money to cover their losses. Their assets are all in loans and on paper only. See how it works now?

This looks like a Sting. The

This looks like a Sting. The neo-cons look like they are on the verge of pulling off the biggest heist in history. They'll take 700 Billion if not TRILLIONs in treasure and a bipartisan ship of fools in both the house and the senate will hold the door for them as they walk away with the loot. Let the shithouse fall. No bailout. Why are we supposed to believe Paulson and Bernanke NOW? They have been completely WRONG up till this point. Why don't we ask someone like Krugman who saw this coming what to do?

This is a serious crisis

This is a serious crisis that is also a giant game of chicken by the Bush Administration. If they win, they have completely taken over the government, and the last power that the Congress ever had is gone, and so are our rights! If they lose, we may have a chance of coming out of this debacle with some semblance of a balanced democracy still intact. If we have a severe depression, then we will survive it. We are a nation of hard workers who understand that to stand together is our greatest strength and together we can get through anything. If we allow this Administration to take away our Constitutional rights and the checks and balances inherent in that Constitution, then they will divide us against ourselves to survive, and we all lose! It is time to consider our nation first, and tell these dictator-wannabes to take a hike!

Silver lining?: I recommend

Silver lining?: I recommend the following NY Times article: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/23/business/23wealth.html?ref=business It notes that the Paulson Plan will establish something like the largest "sovereign fund" in the world. Maybe it is a good idea then, if the people can get and keep control of how its assets are directed (it will of course also entail not limiting the life of it to 2 years) Certainly there are many green projects it could invest in after the bailout of the financials.

Send us, the American people

Send us, the American people the trillion dollars and let us do the bottoms up/grass roots theory as opposed to the trickle down theory. We the people will invest in our communities much better then the wall street crooks.

They are not pushing back

They are not pushing back enough. Read the article at the link to see why. http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article6404.html $700 billion would be a down payment equal to the interminable war on terror.

OK, PAY ATTENTION.... Right

OK, PAY ATTENTION.... Right on mysterioso. Except you left one thing out. The bank loans you $1000 backed by thin air (actually air has more value than this "money" is really worth that they have the gall to charge interest on) But the real clincher is.... Say you put the "money" down on a house and you default on the interest payments.... The bank can now take your property away. Something of real value for nothing. Not a bad deal huh? (For them anyway)

We are screwed people. You

We are screwed people. You know as well as I do that congress, including the democrats, are going to pass this thing speedily through with no compensation for the homeowners. The ceos will escape with their millions and the country will be handed over once and for all to the fascist dictators. This is a global scheme not limited to the U.S. People need to wake up and smell the worldwide corruption. Smedley Butler prevented a hostile corporate takeover in the 30's. Where is our 21st century Smedley Butler?

Finally, there is no doubt

Finally, there is no doubt that the George Bush administration is the absolute worst group of "clowns" in the history of our nation.

A planned "crisis?" The guys

A planned "crisis?" The guys at the top urge a resolution within the week. This meltdown has been a long time coming. How much strategy went into "the perfect economic storm," so soon before elections? Add the petroleum industry's profits, war profiteering from Iraq, and on and on... the image I get is of crooks turning out American's pockets before they get voted out. That is, if the voting booths are not rigged this time around.

This is the disaster the

This is the disaster the Republicans did not want. They are doing everything they can to keep the economy from falling apart before election day. They were too late. They couldn't keep it going for another 6 weeks. Now let's talk about putting these vultures in jail.

There is a reason the

There is a reason the founders decided that elections should be held every 2, 4 and 6 years: that is to clean house and keep the government of the people, by the people and for the people. Please stop bringing the trash back into the house.

Bernie Sanders of Vt.

Bernie Sanders of Vt. sanders.senate.gov has a 4 point plan that sounds good to me.

I think that the Democrats

I think that the Democrats are kicking themselves for not voting and passing a serious Fannie and Freddie reform bill in 2005. This would have eliminated their investments in risky assets and we would have a different situation right now. Dodd should just be honest and say he screwed up.

The person that posted this

The person that posted this is right on: Another taxpayer funded bail Tue, 09/23/2008 - 00:19 — Havnagudtim (not verified) Another taxpayer funded bail out. Why not? After all, it's only money. My money, your money, our parent's money, our children's money..... OK, if WE the PEOPLE have to own this financial fiasco, then WE set the terms. NO PAY AT ALL for CEOs of any failed company needed a bail out. I don't get paid for destroying my employer, neither should they. Any operator or middleman or other 'financial advisor' who profited from the debacle will disgorge all monies above $40,000 a year. These monies have been stolen from the taxpaying citizens who are struggling to survive day to day. The greed train must STOP!!! The money to pay for the bailout should come either from the wealthy elite who have had serious reductions in their taxes for 25 years; the top executives and stockholders from the financial firms that have benefitted for all these years; and/or by a pool of money that is put together by wall street and the investment banks, etc.

to whomever complained about

to whomever complained about "the democrats kicking themselves" for not passing reform in 2005...the Democrats did not take control of congress until 2006.

My only critique of this

My only critique of this great article is the idea that the GOP has been beating the Deregulation Drum for only 7 1/2 years. They have been ramming the idea that government oversight is bad and that we need to let the "free market" forces work since Reagan. Now after 28 years the nation is in total collapse. It is no time for billion dollar bailouts and golden parachutes. It is time for prison cells and handcuffs! Yes. Let's let the free market forces work! Let Wall Street crumble and we will rebuild it so the system actually works for the people, not the ultra-rich! Live by the sword, die by the sword! Adam Selene TheRealTerrorists.com

It doesn't matter that the

It doesn't matter that the Democrats were in control or not....they didn't even show up for the vote, so there was no vote. The let Fannie and Freddie convince them that everything was just fine.

EVERYONE IN AMERICA has made

EVERYONE IN AMERICA has made (rapidly evaporating) profit from the credit explosion and housing bubble. From the gardeners who care for macmansions in the Palo Alto Hills of the San Francisco Peninsula to the sprawl of Houston. To blame politicians for giving tools and legal cover for the basic greed that people have adopted for motivation is hypocritical to the max.

Close the borders. Don't let

Close the borders. Don't let these criminals run away. Seize their assets immediately.

You Decide I am an

You Decide I am an economist, business person and an American. Here are 10 points to send to your congress people. 1. Let the investment banks fail. Someone will step forward if the function is needed. 2. They were the experts at risk management. They failed. Let them fall. 3. The money went somewhere. Where did it all go? Who got obscenely rich and where is the money? 4. The bailout plan will devalue the US currency by over 10% 5. The bailout plan is not needed. Businesses fail. Others step forward. 6. If we can consider $1 trillion in bailouts to the lambskin wallet crowd, let's bailout through infrastructure projects around the world, people desperate for food and work. 7. See No. 1 8. The devaluation of the US currency if the bailout goes through means $5+ gasoline and higher food prices. 9. See No. 1 10. No one is above the law or the review of the courts. If Paulson is granted such authority, you may check the box that says you now live in a fascist country.

I am passing on a suggestion

I am passing on a suggestion made by a colleague... "I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG. Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in a "We Deserve It Dividend." To make the math simple, let's assume there are 200,000,000 bona fide U.S. Citizens who are 18+. Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up. So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billion that equals $425,000.00. My plan is to give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a "We Deserve It Dividend." Of course, it would NOT be tax-free. So let's assume a tax rate of 30%. Every individual 18+ has to pay $127,500.00 in taxes. That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam. But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket. A husband and wife have $595,000.00. What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family? Pay off your mortgage - housing crisis solved. Repay college loans - what a great boost to new grads. Put away money for college - it'll be there. Save in a bank - create money to loan to entrepreneurs. Buy a new car - create jobs. Invest in the market - capital drives growth. Pay for your parent's medical insurance - health care improves. Enable deadbeat dads to come clean or else. Remember this is for every adult US Citizen 18+, including the folks who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company that is cutting back. And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces. If we're going to re-distribute wealth let's really do it... instead of trickling out a puny $1000.00 economic incentive that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President. If we're going to do an $85 billion bailout, let's bail out every adult U S Citizen 18+! As for AIG, liquidate it. Sell off its parts. Let American General go back to being American General. Sell off the real estate. Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up. Here's my rationale. We deserve it and AIG doesn't. Sure it's a crazy idea that can work. But can you imagine the coast-to-coast block party? How do you spell Economic Boom? I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 billion "We Deserve It Dividend" more than the geniuses at AIG or in Washington DC. And remember, the family plan only really costs $59.5 billion because $25.5 billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam. Ahhh… I feel so much better getting that off my chest."

We need to stop this

We need to stop this madness! No more blank checks for Wall Street while everyone I know is working two jobs, paying off their school loans, or trying to even afford finishing college to begin with. What happened to our countries morals. All of these Wall Street crooks should be behind bars. This is the absolute tipping point on the unchecked greed and theft that has been fueling this failing economy and failed war. Look at the value of the dollar- look at the price of gas! Is this system working for anyone but the Wall Street elite and government inc.? Now is the time that the chickens have come home to roost- the system of 'checks and balances' is not working! The headlines should have been screaming about the windfall profits of Halliburton in Iraq five years ago! Where's the outrage over the reality that taxpayers have been paying twenty dollars to Halliburton for every can of coke that one of our soldiers drinks out in the desert of a country without WMD's, a country without nuclear power, a country without even consistent electricity or running water now thanks to us. This soldier by the way makes less money than someone who cleans the toilets in the white house. We all know that this bailout is a complete scam and yes if we stand on the sidelines shaking our heads then we should be ready to get in the bread line but guess what, there will be no free bread for our taxpayers.

Good luck with the "We

Good luck with the "We Deserve It" bonus. Problem with your numbers, 3 orders of magnitude off. 85,000,000,000 / 200,000,000 = 425 not 425000. Of course "calc.exe" could be involved in the conspiracy, who knows?

Roger's plan would work well

Roger's plan would work well http://www.truthout.org/article/taxpayers-congress-push-back-against-bailout#comment-18076

Has anyone asked how much

Has anyone asked how much our distinguish congressmen and senators have to loss if they don't pass this bill.lord forbid if they lost any moneys

Correction of the first

I am sorry, but I do not believe that this is not another scam by George W. Bush and company. Remember his paternal and maternal grandfathers, Prescott Bush and Herbert Walker were instrumental in bankrolling Hitler on both WW's I & II. Remember how the Federal Resrve was created. We need to take our country back. This whole bailout deal does not pass the smell test. If you can, buy houses, the government is going to. The wealthy will. This happened before. Zeitgeist - http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ Some informative reference links for you: www.brusselstribunal.org www.pnac.info www.newamericancentury.org George W. Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush owns 1 share and is indicted as the Manager of the Union Banking Corporation! He had to plead Nolo Contendre! http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x581610 http://www.mbpolitics.com/Bush2000/VestingDetail.htm Here is the rest: http://www.mbpolitics.com/Bush2000/Vesting.htm For more info: Former Federal Prosecutor John Loftus confirms the Bush-Nazi scandal Copyright October 31. 2003 http://www.john-loftus.com/bush_nazi_scandal.asp

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